Exactly how did Pan Africanism disadvantage African Americans? And why no smoke for integration?

[96Blue]

Yeah it is fukked up, currupt government , and the cacs are even using the kids as child slave labour, the proceeds go to... USA ,

Do you think the Africans are profiting from the resources?

Do you think the average African is walking around with gold nuggets on the side walk?

I never said I think Africans are profiting from those resources or not, I said they have them and Africa is majority Black.

There are more Africans in Africa than there are the other groups, there is no excuse for them to just let anyone come in and do what they want to them.

There just isn't.

 

[96Blue]

You don't wanna pursue anything tho You want it to be one way.


Anyways, the question was exactly how has Pan Africanism disadvantaged us. The closest thing I've gotten to an answer so far is The Flint water crisis, which... doesn't exactly make sense. And then the second question was where's the smoke for integration... Integration has disadvantaged us. Integration "made us the mule", etc.

Oh, I wanna pursue stuff... It just will be for my people.

I've actually said on this forum that integration was one of the worst things to happen to us actually.

Are there anyways that Pan-Africanism has advanced us? Because as far as I'm concerned we fought for other people to come here, but then they go off and start their own little communities.

Are they giving there money to us?

 

[Kuwka_Atcha_Ratcha]

I never said I think Africans are profiting from those resources or not, I said they have them and Africa is majority Black.

There are more Africans in Africa than there are the other groups, there is no excuse for them to just let anyone come in and do what they want to them.

There just isn't.

I agree it's curruption at the top that allows it, but those at the bottom can't defend themselves against guns breh.

The politicians allow it , then you in your village with family without even clean running water is some how supposed to defend against groups of cacs with guns? Cmon man

 

[96Blue]

I agree it's curruption at the top that allows it, but those at the bottom can't defend themselves against guns breh.

The politicians allow it , then you in your village with family without even clean running water is some how supposed to defend against groups of cacs with guns? Cmon man

Well, my people did. They even even had full army tanks in our neighborhoods and we weren't even the majority in America at the time.

My Ancestors had to die so I can live the life I do today, Breh.

You probably don't wanna hear it, but it's the cold hard truth, Breh.

 

[Kuwka_Atcha_Ratcha]

Well, my people did. They even even had full army tanks in our neighborhoods and we weren't even the majority in America at the time.

My Ancestors had to die so I can live the life I do today, Breh.

You probably don't wanna hear it, but it's the cold hard truth, Breh.

Why would I not wanna hear it?

Fact is black people in USA are still treated like shyt. And comparing USA to the colonisation of Africa is just absurd

 

[96Blue]

Why would I not wanna hear it?

Fact is black people in USA are still treated like shyt. And comparing USA to the colonisation of Africa is just absurd

Yes, we may still get treated like shyt, which is why the fight is still on. Even though we get treated like shyt, we have a lot of other things that our ancestors fought for to fight for.

You're right, comparing Africa to America is crazy, but I only mentioned Africa to say there are more Black people in Africa than America. Y'all shouldn't be in that predicament.

 

[TEH]

Its about how we see ourselves. Africans dont see you as one of them

Not most I agree

but until it’s no longer white first Black first has to make sense

 

[Kuwka_Atcha_Ratcha]

Yes, we may still get treated like shyt, which is why the fight is still. Even though we get treated like shyt, we have a lot of other things that our ancestors fought for to fight for.

You're right, comparing Africa to America is crazy, but I only mentioned Africa to say there are more Black people in Africa than America. Y'all shouldn't be in that predicament.

Why do you keep saying y'all as if I'm in Africa? Or have family in Africa?

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Welp, they then.

Caught with your foot in your mouth as usual.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Ding ding Ding!!! Thats why they are in more of a position to help than black Americans are...

Majority of Nigerians are in poverty because of corrupt Nigerians. Who are you blaming for that?

And they Blame corrupt Nigerians.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Yes, we may still get treated like shyt, which is why the fight is still. Even though we get treated like shyt, we have a lot of other things that our ancestors fought for to fight for.

You're right, comparing Africa to America is crazy, but I only mentioned Africa to say there are more Black people in Africa than America. Y'all shouldn't be in that predicament.

So what stopped the ADOS Liberia from excelling?

Were in the predicaments we are because Black people were never in the arms race. We don't hold nukes. If we did we would be treated like Iran or North Korea. The world is not a level playing field. Your world view is very limited.

Just having a lot of Black people is not enough to stop the type of espionage and cold war that is employed to forcefully influence politics and economics.

 

[Kenny West]

Africans respective countries has its own sons and daughters who are multi-mllionaires and billionaires. I think they might have more access to wealth than we do actually.

That is very very very very very very fukking misguided

Not only do we have more wealthy black people, we live in an infrastructure that offers way more upward mobility.

A broke dude in america can learn plumbing or start selling something and can make a comfortable living in the most expensive country on earth.

A dude in africa does the same thing and will earn way less and have less options all across the board.

Yall sounding like spoiled cacs in here

 

[Supper]

So what stopped the ADOS Liberia from excelling?

Were in the predicaments we are because Black people were never in the arms race. We don't hold nukes. If we did we would be treated like Iran or North Korea. The world is not a level playing field. Your world view is very limited.

Just having a lot of Black people is not enough to stop the type of espionage and cold war that is employed to forcefully influence politics and economics.

Since when did "ados"(I assume you mean Americo liberians who are really a combination of black ados, caribbeans, mulattos, and freed slaves from the congo) ever make up anything close to the majority of Liberia?

And even still they managed to stop the native africans from engaging in the slave trade and make the country into one with the fastest growing economy ahead(or right behind) Japan at one point before the coup.

Also, I'm not just talking about whole countries here. There are a plethora of AA grass roots organizations and individuals have gone out of their way to help non-ados people when they're in need or facing injustice.

AAs have even spilled blood and given their LIVES physically fighting with boots on the ground when y'all were fighting against imperialism, even though we had plenty on our plate dealing with jim crow ourselves.
John Robinson (aviator) - Wikipedia

Would some silver spoon fed spoiled first world brats do that? And this characterization of my people just shows the lack of appreciation and disrespect you have for us. We ain't kin. That's for damn sure.

When have Africans ever lifted a finger to do help AAs in a way that comes anything close to that? I'm not just talking about whole nations. I'm talking about private organizations and notable individuals as well. Surely someone like aliko dangote had, and still has, the means to help out with the flint water crisis, right. It was a global crisis so surely he must've heard about it. The same way 50 cent and Robert F Smith reached out to help out in numerous ways to help people in Africa.

Like I said this shyt is a one way street and y'all are tryna splain away what's obvious here. We want out this shyt. Non-Ados can be "pan african" among themselves.

 

[alpo]

There are three types of integration ideology prominent in the African-American community.

American intergrationist- shirk all ties to your race/ethnicity and only focus on and acknowledge and give your loyalty based on your nationality as an American

Humanist - shirk all ties to any particular demographic and only focus on and acknowledge your humanity.

Flattened blackness- Shirk all ties to your ethnicity, culture, heritage, and nationality and only focus on, acknowledge, and give your loyality based your black skin/race(Pan Afircanism is basically the same but just African centered).

All three want us as AADOS to be the main mules and torch bearers of said agenda at the behest of everyone else involved. American intergrationist believe AAs are obligated to be more patriotic and sacrifice more for this country than all other americans even though we already have and have been the most oppressed by it historically. Humanist believe AAs are obligated to drop everything and fight for the rights of all human being across the globe even though they don't do the same for us. Pan Africanist/Flattened blackness adherents believe that AAs are obligated to be on the front lines carry the torch for the entire black race/people of (sub saharan)African descent globally even though other black groups don't lift so much as a finger to do so, hence their bleaching cultures, and are hyper nationalist and ethnic centered in all situations save for when they can leach off AAs.

American intergrationist tells me that the slave owner is my "American brother"(and often that we should mimick his way of life in order to be successful US citizens like him). The FB/PA ideologue tells me that the slave trader is my "black brother"(and often that he has a superior culture that we "lost" and should "return to"). And the humanist tells me that both of them are my brothers in humanity and that's all that matters.

All of them seek to erase AADOS identity in their own way, and I'm against all three. Afr'Ams are a unique ethnicity group with a culture, heritage, and history of our own with our own agenda for which is the only group we're obligated to give our loyalty to.

 

[96Blue]

So what stopped the ADOS Liberia from excelling?

Were in the predicaments we are because Black people were never in the arms race. We don't hold nukes. If we did we would be treated like Iran or North Korea. The world is not a level playing field. Your world view is very limited.

Just having a lot of Black people is not enough to stop the type of espionage and cold war that is employed to forcefully influence politics and economics.

Breh, the point is, is shyt aint gon charge of there isn't any blood spilled. You tryna talk about having a lot of Black people doesn't mean anything, but something's gotta give.

Us Black Americans have went to bat for every Black person without getting anything out of it. We let everybody eat off of our plate while we could barely feed ourselves and now we want to eat alone (for lack of a better word).

Like I said, Ghana just made 1.9 Billion dollars off of the Year Of Return. Are they going to put money back in our communities, too?

Obviously not, and that's why we need to focus on ourselves for now.

Hell, Akon made money off of music that we created and even he is fixing his country in Africa and not giving us anything in return.

This Pan-African pipe dream is and always will be one-sided and we're done with it.