Explain to me why MJ is better then Wilt Chamberlin

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

stop it

I hate how these stuck in the 90's nikkas make it seem like the 90's was so competitive. the 90's was the Bulls era.

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they had 3 all stars who helped them dominate and get 6 championships. let's not sit here and act like there were smaller franchises winning titles or some shyt cause that's a lie.

Then those there ''todays guys are soft and the 90's guys were tough''. that may be true but just stop it. if you think they're soft then stop watching. half the stuff they did back then you get ejected/fined for it.

The moral of this: accept the current state of the NBA or pull out your VHS and relive the ''glory'' days.

MJ was a beast in the 80's his TEAM's started beasting in the 90's. Just because the Bulls organization couldn't keep up with him doesn't mean he wasn't a beast. nikkas sleep badly on the 80's Jordan.

 

[Reggie]

In all reality we don't know if MJ was better than Wilt, or Kareem, or Oscar, or Elgin or any other player you wanna name from that era. But because he is the only one who I can say that I witnessed his prime career I have to put him as the best to ever do it. Just like 20 years from now the media will have the youngsters thinking Bron was the best to ever do it. But because a lot of us older fellows will have seen both of them play we will be able to make a legit comparison between them. Its no difference than a cat born in 95 calling Kobe better than Jordan because they never saw MJ play, when a person born in say 85 would have had the benefit of seeing both at their best and would tell you that Kobe is a contender but he aint better than the God. Like my uncle who is near 80, had the benefit of seeing Wilt's game and he has seen Shaq play. So when he tells me that Wilt would give Shaq the work I really cant debate with him because I all I can do is assume while he had the privilege of watching both of them.

 

[Chico's Bail Bonds]

You could throw Dwight Howard in Wilt's era and he'd be Wilt

Dwight has no offense. Bill Russell would have destroyed his mentally frail ass in like his 4th year.

 

[Captain Crunch]

lolz like da nikkas in bold actually play defense, let alone have had battles w/ James in the postseason. Kobe and James' never have had any battles in the postseason, prolly never will. Wade's never stood in James' way in the postseason, and never will either, he's playin' w/ the nikka rite now! And Darko Milicic started when he was 18, we all kno how great that foo was

Pierce
Melo

 

[BlackFeet]

Pierce
Melo

They got swept last year ma dude. And they ain't comin' back aganist Indiana, so we'll just hold the phone on that one.

 

[Jplaya2023]

All elite HOF centers are better than Jordan. It's a big man's game bro. If you want to say MJ is more skilled, fine. More exciting, fine. But true elite bigs are always more impactful.

Wilt
Russell
Shaq
Kareem
Hakeem
Moses M.

your not wrong at saying big's >>>>>> smalls, but your statement is incomplete and here's why.

Michael Jordan is the only superstar in nba history to win MULTIPLE championships without an elite post scorer so he was the exception not the norm. Michael Jordan changed the way the nba was played in terms of forumula and makeup to win championships.

Lebron James is trying to make that same case as michael jordan.

 

[BlackFeet]

@ Liquid

I dunno, Randolph's looked past his prime this year, to me. Gasol's become overrated; he stands out from playin' in the weakest position in basketball, along with stealin' James' DPOY award. Both have benefited from playin' weak frontcourts up to this point in the postseason; if they continue this production aganist Duncan/Splitter, I'll give 'em their props. I just think even then, it'd be too much to contain Bosh and James.

 

[#1 pick]

your not wrong at saying big's >>>>>> smalls, but your statement is incomplete and here's why.

Michael Jordan is the only superstar in nba history to win MULTIPLE championships without an elite post scorer so he was the exception not the norm. Michael Jordan changed the way the nba was played in terms of forumula and makeup to win championships.

Lebron James is trying to make that same case as michael jordan.

They had the best team in the NBA by a mile. If Houston had prime Drexler with prime Hakeem. They would have won numerous rings. None of the centers had great teams in the 90's. None of them. If they did, they would have beaten LA.

I am not convinced as great as Lebron is that if Dwight teamed with a CP3 or Deron that Lebron is winning a ring with Miami. This is still a big man's game.

 

[Higher Tech]

nikka you watched basketball in the 60's to think otherwise?

This is exactly why I hate these arguments. I refuse to say anyone is better than Mike when they played 40 years prior. Nobody here watched those games or saw Wilt in action. All we can do is watch some highlights of his best plays, and read his stats and assume his greatness.

With Mike, most of us saw his greatest moments as they unfolded. Same with Kobe and bron and other comparable players of the last 25 years or so. So even though it's still unfair to me, it's much easier to make the comparison.

Mike was better to me. End of story.

 

[#1 pick]

@ Liquid

I dunno, Randolph's looked past his prime this year, to me. Gasol's become overrated; he stands out from playin' in the weakest position in basketball, along with stealin' James' DPOY award. Both have benefited from playin' weak frontcourts up to this point in the postseason; if they continue this production aganist Duncan/Splitter, I'll give 'em their props. I just think even then, it'd be too much to contain Bosh and James.

It's their team. They have a starting lineup with plus defenders. They can limited Z-bo negative defensive impact while expanding his offensive impact. They have Gasol who is a great passer who has great chemistry with Z-Bo. Conley runs the show and gets everyone where they are generally good at on the floor. They are just a great overall team. I liken them to Detroit with more offense and slightly less defense but not by much. Both have great defenses and both have good offenses. If OKC was healthy, OKC would have beat them.

Z-bo numbers after the Gay trade went up a lot. Z-bo is a poor overall defender. You need plus defenders to cover from him. Gay wasn't a plus defender so it hurt Z-Bo's game. This isn't a hard game to figure out.

 

[Jplaya2023]

They had the best team in the NBA by a mile. If Houston had prime Drexler with prime Hakeem. They would have won numerous rings. None of the centers had great teams in the 90's. None of them. If they did, they would have beaten LA.

I am not convinced as great as Lebron is that if Dwight teamed with a CP3 or Deron that Lebron is winning a ring with Miami. This is still a big man's game.

by a mile?

shaq had a great team in orlando

Ewing had the knicks competitive despite not having a secondary star

DRob had good team in san antonio

Zo had conteners in miami

of course dream won 2 ships

Dwight isn't as dominate as the 5 i mentioned earlier, plus lebron a (healthy) wade and bosh would be better than dwight and cp3 or d will

 

[Spartacus89]

Michael Jordan as a playoff performer separates himself from the other greats. Jordan has the perfect combination of team accomplishment + individual accomplishments. His legacy was never just about winning 6 rings, it was the scoring titles, the dpoy, the MVP's, the 50% lifetime shooting, the 30 ppg lifetime, etc that came with it. And people making the marketing excuse are undermining his on court success. Nike cant win you anything, so many people have shoe deals and endorsements and have accomplished nothing. Look at all these dudes on tv like CP3, Blake Griffin, etc what do they have? NOTHING. I don't care how many endorsements you have it wont win you shyt. Sebastian Telfair and Quentin Richardson had endorsements. And most of these players now with endorsements who cant win shyt will NOT BE REMEMBERED in the future.

Magic and Bird had shoes too with Converse, Magic had hella commercials, Magic was Hollywood, Magic and his iconic smile was the face of the NBA before Jordan. So just imagine if some dumb kid told you, "Magic wasn't that good of a point guard, media had him hyped up." You'd look at him like

 

[#1 pick]

by a mile?

shaq had a great team in orlando

Ewing had the knicks competitive despite not having a secondary star

DRob had good team in san antonio

Zo had conteners in miami

of course dream won 2 ships

Dwight isn't as dominate as the 5 i mentioned earlier, plus lebron a (healthy) wade and bosh would be better than dwight and cp3 or d will

Orlando was a very young team. They were like kind of what OKC was today. Solid role players, one elite young big in Shaq, and one elite combo guard Penny.

They were competitive but the Bulls always match-up well v. them and had MJ and Pippen who was always better than the former.

DRob team was a regular season team

You know those Heat teams weren't contenders. Atlanta was better than them till they traded always Mookie, Smitty, Christian L and Deke.

The Rockets only had one superstars and a bunch of solid players around Hakeem like Kenny, Vernon, Clarence W. Horry, etc. By the time they landed Drexler, he was regressing in his abilities.

None of those teams were as good as Chicago or close. None of them. The only match-up Chicago could lose was Houston which never happened. That was it. In fact, Miami only match-up they can lose is to Memphis. Will it happen? Maybe, Maybe not...

Dwight is dominate on defense. If you put guys who can at least play legit-able team defense and can shoot as well as a star like CP3 or Deron, he could do a lot of things.

I honest think Dwight with CP3 and shooters could beat Miami. Miami has weaknesses v. bigs who have some type of scoring ability and defend the paint well and PG's in general. I am not on the Dwight hate wagon that's big on the-coli.

 

[Street Knowledge]

I never bought the whole automatic Big>Small thing. Except for Hakeem because he can actually close games and has the face up skills of a perimeter player. Wilt/Russell/Shaq/Kareem always had elite Wing players next to them when they were winning.

 

[BlackFeet]

It's their team. They have a starting lineup with plus defenders. They can limited Z-bo negative defensive impact while expanding his offensive impact. They have Gasol who is a great passer who has great chemistry with Z-Bo. Conley runs the show and gets everyone where they are generally good at on the floor. They are just a great overall team. I liken them to Detroit with more offense and slightly less defense but not by much. Both have great defenses and both have good offenses. If OKC was healthy, OKC would have beat them.

Z-bo numbers after the Gay trade went up a lot. Z-bo is a poor overall defender. You need plus defenders to cover from him. Gay wasn't a plus defender so it hurt Z-Bo's game. This isn't a hard game to figure out.

Memphis' offense is SUSPECT. You can't tell me u don't wonder how they're gonna score every time they step on the court. And Bosh & Battier would contain Memphis' frontcourt to an extent. Detroit @ least had Billups who could consistently shoot the three, Hamilton who could play off the ball, shoot from mid-range, and finish @ the rim, a more versatile Prince, Okur and Rasheed to spread the floor, and Ben Wallace? Absolutely shyts on Gasol as far as rebounding and defense goes. Memphis would not last more than 5 games aganist Miami due to their inability to score.