Exposing Kobe's inflated greatness

[Swagnificent]

I guess you think Doc Rivers is still awestruck by Kobe's blistering 40% shooting in those finals series, right? Fact is, you completely ignored the context of what Doc was saying.

No I got the context. He said that we don't appreciate Kobe's greatness enough because we always compare him to Jordan. Basically because he's so similar to Jordan, people always discount his accomplishments by saying "well he ain't better than Jordan" or "well Jordan did it better."

Maybe the reason Doc respects Kobe is because he actually is the guy who designs the gameplan to stop him. Maybe he knows how much focus/effort it takes for his entire team to keep him to those numbers. Maybe he knows how much they overload and help against Kobe. Its funny how you guys discount the opinion of men who have forgot more basketball than you'll ever know.

Maybe you should look beyond FG% and listen to guys who actually compete against the guy.

 

[Bilz]

No I got the context. He said that we don't appreciate Kobe's greatness enough because we always compare him to Jordan. Basically because he's so similar to Jordan, people always discount his accomplishments by saying "well he ain't better than Jordan" or "well Jordan did it better."

Maybe the reason Doc respects Kobe is because he actually is the guy who designs the gameplan to stop him. Maybe he knows how much focus/effort it takes for his entire team to keep him to those numbers. Maybe he knows how much they overload and help against Kobe. Its funny how you guys discount the opinion of men who have forgot more basketball than you'll ever know.

Maybe you should look beyond FG% and listen to guys who actually compete against the guy.

So where does Doc Rivers rank Kobe all time?

 

[KingJudah]

No I got the context. He said that we don't appreciate Kobe's greatness enough because we always compare him to Jordan. Basically because he's so similar to Jordan, people always discount his accomplishments by saying "well he ain't better than Jordan" or "well Jordan did it better."

Maybe the reason Doc respects Kobe is because he actually is the guy who designs the gameplan to stop him. Maybe he knows how much focus/effort it takes for his entire team to keep him to those numbers. Maybe he knows how much they overload and help against Kobe. Its funny how you guys discount the opinion of men who have forgot more basketball than you'll ever know.

Maybe you should look beyond FG% and listen to guys who actually compete against the guy.

Thats the thing, Kobe is the focal point of the defense. Imagine if Steve blake was

he'd average .24 pts and .5 assists in 30 minutes

 

[Swagnificent]

Funny how the stans will embrace advanced statistics when it supports their agenda.

and you guys ignore any information that doesn't support your agenda

how come you ignore the countless players, coaches, and GMs that have said Kobe was the best player for the last decade and closest we've seen to Jordan?

 

[Poppa_Dock]

Kobe has a career FG percentage of 45.5%. How can you say he's between 38-45 when his career average is above the high point you've pegged him at. Plus he's only shot below 45% for 4 years out of his 17 year career (with lowest being 41% as a rookie).

Plus, the main reason Kobe's fg% is low compared to dudes like Jordan is because he shoots more 3s. 33.3% shooting from 3 is the equivalent of 50% from 2 on a point for point basis. If you actually used his TRUE SHOOTING PERCENTAGE which is a combination of fg%, 3fg%, and ft%, you get:

Kobe: 55.5 TS% career
Jordan: 56.9 TS% career

so thats a difference of 1.4% between super chucker Kobe and super efficient MJ

brah its .5 percent above what i said

fuk a TSP

Michael Jordan had 10 triple doubles in 11 games.

 

[Swagnificent]

So where does Doc Rivers rank Kobe all time?

I don't know where he ranks him overall. But a couple of years ago, he said Kobe might be the best help defender since Pippen.

Celtics more than Big Three in Game 4 - NBA - Yahoo! Sports

No way was Rivers going to let Bryant float, play free safety on the Celtics. “Kobe might be the best help defender I’ve seen since (Scottie Pippen),” Rivers said.

Doc Rivers and Popovich are probably the two best coaches in the league right now and both have given Kobe nothing but the highest of praise. Give both them guys this article and they would throw it in the trash because they actually know basketball.

 

[Goatpoacher]

and you guys ignore any information that doesn't support your agenda

how come you ignore the countless players, coaches, and GMs that have said Kobe was the best player for the last decade and closest we've seen to Jordan?

Same reason I ignore people who tell me to listen to country music.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

this article is the truth. I wish I had 4 aliases so I could 5 star this thread 5 times.

Ether.

 

[Swagnificent]

brah its .5 percent above what i said

I guess simple math escapes your comprehension. You said Kobe is a 38-45% shooter. The reality is that Kobe has never shot 38, 39, or 40 percent. Outside of his first 2 seasons (when he shot 41.7% and 42.8% and wasn't a full time starter) he's shot at least 45% for 13 of the next 15 seasons. The only 2 seasons he's shot under 45% have been 43%.

A more accurate assessment would be to say that Kobe has consistently been a 45-47% shooter for 13 of his 15 years as a starter.

And even those numbers are not reflective of his shooting efficiency since they don't include 3fg% or ft%. As I said earlier, if we actually look at the totality of Kobe's scoring efficiency we would see he is only 1.4% worse than the great Michael Jordan.

Kobe ain't better than Jordan. He just ain't as inefficient as you nikkas make it out to be.

 

[Goatpoacher]

Kobe ain't better than Jordan. He just ain't as inefficient as you nikkas make it out to be.

Great point. I think we should use PER as the proper measure in these circumstances.

 

[Bilz]

I don't know where he ranks him overall. But a couple of years ago, he said Kobe might be the best help defender since Pippen.

Celtics more than Big Three in Game 4 - NBA - Yahoo! Sports



Doc Rivers and Popovich are probably the two best coaches in the league right now and both have given Kobe nothing but the highest of praise. Give both them guys this article and they would throw it in the trash because they actually know basketball.

Phil Jackson has a pretty decent reputation as a coach and has had endless praise of Kobe over the years yet he had no trouble calling out many of his flaws. Like I said before, players and coaches will generally stay away from any provocative conversations about their peers.

Ask any player or coach what happened to LeBron in the 2011 finals and they'll credit the Mavs teamwork, coaching, and defense. They won't say a word about what LeBron did or didn't do. This "coaches and players don't bash Kobe, therefore they think he's flawless" logic you are using is just terrible.

 

[Schmoove]

:childplease2:

 

[Swagnificent]

Same reason I ignore people who tell me to listen to country music.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you would be this stupid. You don't have to like country music just like you don't have to like basketball. But if you are gonna make an argument about one country music artist being overrated, then maybe it should listen to other great artists that try to explain to you the merit behind their genius.

No one is saying that you have to like Kobe. We're just saying that your opinion holds less merit in the universe of basketball opinions than that of Doc Rivers, Pop, or any other great NBA coach or player. I'll take their opinion on whether Kobe is overrated than some cac who decided to post an article on some irrelevant website.

 

[YourMajesty]

y'all complain about the Kobe stans but the haters say the most outrageous shyt...

I bullshyt you not, on you had people who said Danny Granger was better than Kobe

 

[Swagnificent]

Phil Jackson has a pretty decent reputation as a coach and has had endless praise of Kobe over the years yet he had no trouble calling out many of his flaws. Like I said before, players and coaches will generally stay away from any provocative conversations about their peers.

Ask any player or coach what happened to LeBron in the 2011 finals and they'll credit the Mavs teamwork, coaching, and defense. They won't say a word about what LeBron did or didn't do. This "coaches and players don't bash Kobe, therefore they think he's flawless" logic you are using is just terrible.

I see what you did here. You totally flipped the debate. Its gone from whether or not Kobe is as good as we think he is, to now whether or not Kobe has flaws.

Every human being has flaws. Kobe is abrasive, selfish, psychotic, and definitely lets his emotions get the better of him when takes bad shots rather than making the right basketball play. Of course no coach is gonna come out and say that. But because he has flaws doesn't mean he isn't top 10 all time. That he hasn't been the best player of the 2000s. And that he isn't the closest we've seen to MJ.

However, the debate is whether Kobe is overrated. That he really isn't a top 10 all-time player. And that is the opinion I believe that has no merit because most respected coaches and players would universally say Kobe's been the best player in the league the last decade and the closest to Jordan. He's top 10 all-time and has a chance to be top 5 when his career is done.