Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson on the abundance agenda and liberals - Housing 🏠, Energy ⚡️, Infrastructure 🚊, Transportation 🛣️, etc
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In the future, even winning the former “Blue Wall” states won’t be enough for the party’s presidential nominees.
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Yeah leftists famously think government is the source of societal problems. Ronald Reagan, very beloved by leftists, succinctly summed this up
Yeah leftists famously think government is the source of societal problems. Ronald Reagan, very beloved by leftists, succinctly summed this up
1/31
@steady_drumbeat
Seder has been attacking Abundance for weeks. Ezra comes on & it turns out Sam agrees with him that it's impossible to build enough affordable housing given current costs. When Ezra asks him how to decrease those costs, he can only pivot. HE HAS NO ANSWER.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1923072896689209344/vid/avc1/480x270/FauCz2IaVuastTe5.mp4
2/31
@DanconiaLoken
Its crazy how all the comments on sam’s channel claim that sam actually won this debate
3/31
@steady_drumbeat
More slop for the slop eaters.
4/31
@lbuprofin
Ezra makes me lib out so hard man it feels like Obama 2012
5/31
@steady_drumbeat
His podcast theme song makes me feel like 9/11 hasn’t happened yet.
6/31
@SarkerNotParker
NYC has vacant land because we make development a bytch and a half through the ULURP process and our city vacancy rates have been low for the past 50 years. Supply truthing in the year of our lord 2025 is indefensible
7/31
@steady_drumbeat
Only partly understand this. Any good sources to learn more about ULURP’s effect on supply?
8/31
@cardnialsonnn
I don’t know how to tell you that abandoning the environment, labor, and renters is not an answer. It’s not on the table for me and if it’s on the table for you you’re wrong and bad!
9/31
@steady_drumbeat
We need to build houses cheaply and we need to build green energy cheaply. Those are the most important goals.
10/31
@Coldboy000
Who’re the enemies buddy boy your trying to turn this into a political movement who are the enemies?
11/31
@steady_drumbeat
Lmao
12/31
@realjoshcellars
Did Sam ever articulate housing speculation and idea of property being an investment vehicle for the world’s ultra wealthy? That’s one part of the equation for sure.
13/31
@steady_drumbeat
They discuss it for a moment I think but they don’t really delve in. Ezra shares the opinion that it’s bad that housing is such an important American household asset class, I know.
14/31
@volleyballboy93
The value of property in Plano Texas is worthless compared to NYC. A 1 br in Bed Suy is 800k slashing red tape in a city that’s already developed will not encourage developers to build as they do in an empty backwater. Rent control and seizure of vacant units is obviously needed
15/31
@steady_drumbeat
A lot can be done to streamline development. There aren’t enough vacant units to make a dent and rent control will make things worse. There’s no solution besides building more homes.
16/31
@bergtakes
What is Ezra’s answer to the question he is asking sam??
17/31
@steady_drumbeat
Watch the interview
. Briefly he thinks we’ve designed a lot of legal frameworks whose job it is to constrain the government, and liberals haven’t taken seriously the fact that at a certain point, you get so many systems in place that government can’t really build at all.
18/31
@VealeSpencer
Why would there be more regulations on nonprofit affordable housing than market rate housing?
19/31
@steady_drumbeat
Because the government is subject to many more laws and has much worse procurement policies than most private actors.
20/31
@NotEnoughSlices
Where are the skyscrapers in Texas?
21/31
@steady_drumbeat
22/31
@barbarismcrit
This was your takeaway from all that? Lmao
23/31
@FairweatherPhD
Land value tax would fix the profit incentive and take away the incentive to speculate on vacant housing. Pair that with up-zoning, and everybody gets what they want. How come people on the left don't talk about land value tax? There is a proposal to implement land value tax in NY right now! Senate Bill S7871A
24/31
@benryanwriter
Let’s no forget when Jesse Singal called into /majorityfm and /EmmaVigeland and /SamSeder were at such a loss to counter his erudition on pediatric gender-transition treatment that they resorted to shouting him down.
25/31
@primalpoly
Who is this Seder idiot and why should anyone care what he thinks?
Never heard of him before.
26/31
@JConrBOrtega
Both have failed to state the reason why it’s so expensive to build and that’s because of the level of taxes and fees that go into building housing, especially in blue states. The extra layer of bureaucracy that is imposed by local municipalities is also another issue.
27/31
@BenMillerise
Seder doesn’t seem to know anything about developing housing. He should try building something before attacking everyone else who is actually doing the work.
28/31
@Brendan9371
You can see the clear differences in how they approach things. Ezra starts with the outcomes he wants, and then asks what policies are needed to achieve them. Sam starts with the conclusion that capitalism is the problem, and then works backwards to justify his ideological priors.
29/31
@loomdoop
No, Sam is right. Housing is expensive because it's been financialized and commodified, and converted to an investment product in a bubble economy, and the highest use is not as homes.
And also an indicator of suppressed wages that can't be offshored like consumer products.
30/31
@BayesianNuance
I had assumed that people were exaggerating about this video...they were not.
Klein does a pretty good job of forcing him to confront the issue, and he can't break out of anticapitalist talking points, even where they're incoherent. Seder should publicly apologize for this.
31/31
@SamiBelhareth
More supply means lower prices. Economics 101
To post tweets in this format, more info here: https://www.thecoli.com/threads/tips-and-tricks-for-posting-the-coli-megathread.984734/post-52211196
@steady_drumbeat
Seder has been attacking Abundance for weeks. Ezra comes on & it turns out Sam agrees with him that it's impossible to build enough affordable housing given current costs. When Ezra asks him how to decrease those costs, he can only pivot. HE HAS NO ANSWER.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1923072896689209344/vid/avc1/480x270/FauCz2IaVuastTe5.mp4
2/31
@DanconiaLoken
Its crazy how all the comments on sam’s channel claim that sam actually won this debate
3/31
@steady_drumbeat
More slop for the slop eaters.
4/31
@lbuprofin
Ezra makes me lib out so hard man it feels like Obama 2012
5/31
@steady_drumbeat
His podcast theme song makes me feel like 9/11 hasn’t happened yet.
6/31
@SarkerNotParker
NYC has vacant land because we make development a bytch and a half through the ULURP process and our city vacancy rates have been low for the past 50 years. Supply truthing in the year of our lord 2025 is indefensible
7/31
@steady_drumbeat
Only partly understand this. Any good sources to learn more about ULURP’s effect on supply?
8/31
@cardnialsonnn
I don’t know how to tell you that abandoning the environment, labor, and renters is not an answer. It’s not on the table for me and if it’s on the table for you you’re wrong and bad!
9/31
@steady_drumbeat
We need to build houses cheaply and we need to build green energy cheaply. Those are the most important goals.
10/31
@Coldboy000
Who’re the enemies buddy boy your trying to turn this into a political movement who are the enemies?
11/31
@steady_drumbeat
Lmao
12/31
@realjoshcellars
Did Sam ever articulate housing speculation and idea of property being an investment vehicle for the world’s ultra wealthy? That’s one part of the equation for sure.
13/31
@steady_drumbeat
They discuss it for a moment I think but they don’t really delve in. Ezra shares the opinion that it’s bad that housing is such an important American household asset class, I know.
14/31
@volleyballboy93
The value of property in Plano Texas is worthless compared to NYC. A 1 br in Bed Suy is 800k slashing red tape in a city that’s already developed will not encourage developers to build as they do in an empty backwater. Rent control and seizure of vacant units is obviously needed
15/31
@steady_drumbeat
A lot can be done to streamline development. There aren’t enough vacant units to make a dent and rent control will make things worse. There’s no solution besides building more homes.
16/31
@bergtakes
What is Ezra’s answer to the question he is asking sam??
17/31
@steady_drumbeat
Watch the interview
. Briefly he thinks we’ve designed a lot of legal frameworks whose job it is to constrain the government, and liberals haven’t taken seriously the fact that at a certain point, you get so many systems in place that government can’t really build at all.18/31
@VealeSpencer
Why would there be more regulations on nonprofit affordable housing than market rate housing?
19/31
@steady_drumbeat
Because the government is subject to many more laws and has much worse procurement policies than most private actors.
20/31
@NotEnoughSlices
Where are the skyscrapers in Texas?
21/31
@steady_drumbeat
22/31
@barbarismcrit
This was your takeaway from all that? Lmao
23/31
@FairweatherPhD
Land value tax would fix the profit incentive and take away the incentive to speculate on vacant housing. Pair that with up-zoning, and everybody gets what they want. How come people on the left don't talk about land value tax? There is a proposal to implement land value tax in NY right now! Senate Bill S7871A
24/31
@benryanwriter
Let’s no forget when Jesse Singal called into /majorityfm and /EmmaVigeland and /SamSeder were at such a loss to counter his erudition on pediatric gender-transition treatment that they resorted to shouting him down.
25/31
@primalpoly
Who is this Seder idiot and why should anyone care what he thinks?
Never heard of him before.
26/31
@JConrBOrtega
Both have failed to state the reason why it’s so expensive to build and that’s because of the level of taxes and fees that go into building housing, especially in blue states. The extra layer of bureaucracy that is imposed by local municipalities is also another issue.
27/31
@BenMillerise
Seder doesn’t seem to know anything about developing housing. He should try building something before attacking everyone else who is actually doing the work.
28/31
@Brendan9371
You can see the clear differences in how they approach things. Ezra starts with the outcomes he wants, and then asks what policies are needed to achieve them. Sam starts with the conclusion that capitalism is the problem, and then works backwards to justify his ideological priors.
29/31
@loomdoop
No, Sam is right. Housing is expensive because it's been financialized and commodified, and converted to an investment product in a bubble economy, and the highest use is not as homes.
And also an indicator of suppressed wages that can't be offshored like consumer products.
30/31
@BayesianNuance
I had assumed that people were exaggerating about this video...they were not.
Klein does a pretty good job of forcing him to confront the issue, and he can't break out of anticapitalist talking points, even where they're incoherent. Seder should publicly apologize for this.
31/31
@SamiBelhareth
More supply means lower prices. Economics 101
To post tweets in this format, more info here: https://www.thecoli.com/threads/tips-and-tricks-for-posting-the-coli-megathread.984734/post-52211196
Idk if you stupid but my entire post history has been advocating every city to be built like nyc lol. You arguing with yourself on this
Just another instance of Nap doing the usual in continuing to swing sideways at other Dems and their policies, whilst praising and trying to drag everyone else to the right.
Like I don't think anyone sane wants to maintain SFH Zoning goals into cities as density completely helps in most areas. Sprawl hurts in a lot of ways we don't normally think about.
But - as per Nap - because people don't want to completely deregulate and turn everything over to the builders and corpro sellers under the guise of "abundance", they must want SFH Zoning enshrined as an 11th commandment.
Maybe it works out differently in India.
leftists not beating the allegations