If this was a Westminister parliamentary system then the 2 party duopoly would fail. As it stands the only path to political power is to build coalitions based on a demographic and ideological basis. In the parliamentary system you can vote for your conscience based on a narrower platform and the party then turns around and forms coalitions with other parties that are different. In the US these coalitions are formed before an election and you have to live with other platforms you may not agree with but the need to win supersedes purity. The echo chambers today are readily available leading people to think that they have massive numbers behind them because they communicate with like minded people. I am not sure you can say this system is worse than others out there that often yield unwieldy coalitions that collapse easily if one party pulls out. Israel, Italy, and Japan are examples of this coalition building mess that you get with multiparty. It's easy for the vocal part of the party to think they are getting shafted, it's just that they ignore the other part of their grand coalition and the votes they have.
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Talk about tinfoil crowdsTalk about clueless...
In the Arizona Primaries for example Hillary was in the lead by 30 percent...won by 18.
And the long lines and small number of voting locations is all in part of voting set ups in part of Republican controlled Arizona.
The problem with them is they splinter parties into groups that still need to come together to govern. If they are like the UK with Labour/Conservatives as the big parties they work well enough to give people options that closely represent what they feel. At the extremes they splinter enough to force the Government to be ineffective. For example if a Green Party wins 10% of the vote and has to go into coalition with some center left party it has to compromise part of its platform in order to govern. They will horse trade some ministerial positions and policies to get it to work. Some people would argue that they didn't get what they voted for if this happens. The American system gives you the complete package before you vote. You can vote for a Democrat knowing all parts of the platform, if we were in a parliamentary system you can vote for an environmental party that winds up in a coalition you didn't like. The main advantage of the system is that unlike the US, the Government has the power of the purse. The Finance Minister writes the budget and presents it to Parliament and they vote for it as opposed to the type of obstruction the US government may face.
GoddamnyamanProf
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You said there's no bias in the primary races and Hillary is simply ahead because she's ran a better campaign.Talk about tinfoil crowds
In the Arizona Primaries for example Hillary was in the lead by 30 percent...won by 18.
And the long lines and small number of voting locations is all in part of voting set ups in part of Republican controlled Arizona.
You don't get to talk politics anymore.
I think I said there's no proof of it being rigged but she's just running a better campaign because the primaries are simply a numbers game.
I provided an example of the Arizona primaries to prove my point. She was in a strong lead in that state heading up to the voting day.
Trust me I had this argument with PUMAS (Hillary supporters ironically) 8 years ago....
This is all a repeat to me kiddo
GoddamnyamanProf
Countdown to Armageddon
Hillary's position 8 years ago isnt analogous to Bernie's at all. The Arizona primaries were a complete clusterfukk and should not be pointed to as an example of anything other than a lesson on how to look grossly imcompetent and piss off your electorate. Primaries being a numbers game has nothing to do with the rampant biases and shenanigans that have been on display, or with who's run a better campaign. Please dont try to condescend to me. I'm in my 30's and know more than you.I think I said there's no proof of it being rigged but she's just running a better campaign because the primaries are simply a numbers game.
I provided an example of the Arizona primaries to prove my point. She was in a strong lead in that state heading up to the voting day.
Trust me I had this argument with PUMAS (Hillary supporters ironically) 8 years ago....
This is all a repeat to me kiddo
Berniewood Hogan
IT'S BERNIE SANDERS WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
SAY YOUR PRAYERS, EAT YOUR VITAMINS, AND ALWAYS
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I believe #trumpset supporters want the establishment blown the fukk up. We want to start anew. Anyone besides Bernie or Donald will be status quo. It's worth the risk. The republican establishment aren't even trying to hear the people who are supporting Trump but rather trying to destroy Trump. Where there is smoke, there's fire. HRC as a more clear front runner, you'd think PACs would be focused on tearing her down for whoever wins the R nom but they don't care HRC because shyt will be the same.
The media is leaking silly shyt like kasich is the only R nom candidate that defeats Hillary in a general election but he's only won one state, his home state. Donald or Bernie will shake the tree so that's why both parties are in overdrive to knock them off. The repub establishment would much rather HRC than DTrump. Sadly, the intelligence of most of this country is to shyts. Blacks are the biggest disappointment. HRC sold black people but really black men out. From private prisons, to welfare, wet foot-dry foot, the clintons' stake in wal mart, etc. ella ama Latinos ahora.
MrSinnister
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New York is going through the same thing that Arizona is, without the closing of polls. People are being registered independent for a closed primary, a lot of times even if they've voted Democrat before and never Republican. New York is not GOP controlled, and this is starting a major controversy in what the DNC is doing. Andrew Cuomo is DEFINITELY part of the establishment. I would say, with how he used the Women's Party to destroy the Working families party to take away their power in 2014, that Cuomo is in the vanguard of the establishment.Talk about tinfoil crowds
In the Arizona Primaries for example Hillary was in the lead by 30 percent...won by 18.
And the long lines and small number of voting locations is all in part of voting set ups in part of Republican controlled Arizona.
No objective person can say that the primaries aren't rigged for Hillary anymore.
The situation in New York appears have been a law passed by Bloomberg in 2012.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/n...ing-requires-any-party-changes-by-oct-12.html
So...how is this proof of rigging by Hillary or the DNC?
MrSinnister
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Did you even read your own link, brah? It says that Bloomberg was a victim of the law, that withstood a Supreme Court challenge, not that he passed anything. Seeing as he was able to get the council to circumvent his term limit, I'm sure the state as well as local municipalities had control on how elections when, like Arizona, when their party ran the gov't.
I'll see your busted like, and raise you some reality:
Are New York Primary Voters’ Party Affiliations Being Purged Like Arizona?
"However, any voter whose party affiliation was changed to a specific party registration, such as a Democrat switched to an Independent or a Republican, was not eligible to make the correction by Friday regardless of technical issues.
image: http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/vote-here.jpg
[Photo by Ron Jenkins/Getty Images]
One anonymous commenter on Heavy reported that they did make the change online, but was told that even though they completed that change before the deadline, because Board of Elections didn’t receive it until a day later, it was too late and they would be ineligible."
Voter suppression 101
Even a fukkboi simp knows that Bernie is getting most new voters and independents.
Did you even read your own link, brah? It says that Bloomberg was a victim of the law, that withstood a Supreme Court challenge, not that he passed anything. Seeing as he was able to get the council to circumvent his term limit, I'm sure the state as well as local municipalities had control on how elections when, like Arizona, when their party ran the gov't.
I'll see your busted like, and raise you some reality:
Are New York Primary Voters’ Party Affiliations Being Purged Like Arizona?
"However, any voter whose party affiliation was changed to a specific party registration, such as a Democrat switched to an Independent or a Republican, was not eligible to make the correction by Friday regardless of technical issues.
image: http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/vote-here.jpg
[Photo by Ron Jenkins/Getty Images]
One anonymous commenter on Heavy reported that they did make the change online, but was told that even though they completed that change before the deadline, because Board of Elections didn’t receive it until a day later, it was too late and they would be ineligible."
Voter suppression 101
Even a fukkboi simp knows that Bernie is getting most new voters and independents.
Wow...your source is "Inquister" huh?
I'm just looking for direct evidence of the DNC rigging primary processes to purposely make sure Clinton wins.
Simple request.
I have not seen any direct evidence just conjecture....and a shytty news source..."Inquisiter"
MrSinnister
Delete account when possible.
I doubt we have the information you seek before the election. This is going to be one of those situations where we see all the canisters bought and financial stress of the person, before they commit the arson for the insurance. You seriously think that the DNC, who enables the people that controls the elections, is going to go and tell everyone what they're doing before the deed is done huh?Wow...your source is "Inquister" huh?
I'm just looking for direct evidence of the DNC rigging primary processes to purposely make sure Clinton wins.
Simple request.
I have not seen any direct evidence just conjecture....and a shytty news source..."Inquisiter"
Second, you think all of these fake journalists ate going to stick their neck out for Bernie, who still may lose nomination??
I'm very sure they know it's about to happen, but again, it takes a lot of concrete evidence to try to pin that on a party or nominee, and there's very few outlets, if any, that brave enough to put it all together and then tell the New Yorkers. I'm saying, before the arson, that this is EXACTLY what's going on, and sticking too it. Reformers are always right in the end.
I guess everyone forgot that Bill Clinton shut down a polling station in a battleground state huh?