Failed Black Patriarchy

[Kenny West]

The writer is white first of all.
Second he doesn't blame anyone for anything.
FAct is black population has increased, the absolute number and rate of unmarried children in black unmarried women and black teens and young black women has dropped from the 70s to the present, to the point that its the lowest rates recorded.

So again when you work on that reading comprehension and can actually talk about what was posted, talk to me and have a convo on it, all you are showing me know is that you dont have the ability to read and comprehend the english language on a average adult level.

A white person that doesn't believe in black autonomy. Would you look at that....

Prove the underlined, the article you posted before states otherwise
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"So, for instance, it is undeniably true that 72 percent of all African American babies born today are born to unwed mothers; and it is also the case that this percentage is nearly double the rate that obtained in 1970"

Also don't think I don't notice you ignoring the content of my posts and camouflaging it with some bullshyt about reading comprehension. you're not that smart buddy

 

[David_TheMan]

A white person that doesn't believe in black autonomy. Would you look at that....

Prove the underlined, the article you posted before states otherwise
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"So, for instance, it is undeniably true that 72 percent of all African American babies born today are born to unwed mothers; and it is also the case that this percentage is nearly double the rate that obtained in 1970"

Also don't think I don't notice you ignoring the content of my posts and camouflaging it with some bullshyt about reading comprehension. you're not that smart buddy

You really have no idea what you are typing about. LOL

Here you go with the underlined in the article

Here’s the deal. According to the table linked above — the same one that points out the 72 percent figure for the share of black births out of wedlock — the birth rate for unmarried black women fell by nearly a third between 1970-2010, from 95.5 births per 1000 unmarried black women at the beginning of that period, to only 65.3 births per 1000 such women by the end of the period. Among black teenagers, 15-19 (almost all of whom are unmarried), birth rates have plummeted since 1991, from 118.2 births for every 1000 such women to only 51.5 births per 1000 women in 2010. So just twenty years ago, black teens were having 2.3 times more children per capita than they are today. From 1970-2009, black teens, ages 15-17, cut their birthrates by 60 percent, while 18-19 year olds reduced theirs by a third. As a result of this apparently positive cultural trend — but one that conservatives ignore — the black teen birth rate is at an all-time low. In other words, and whether we look at teens or adults, unmarried black women are already doing exactly what conservatives would have them do: namely, have fewer children. This means that if we are to view out-of-wedlock childbearing as evidence of some cultural pathology, black culture must be steadily getting healthier and less pathological, rather than more.

This is how I know you didn't read the short article and if you did you don't have the ability to comprehend what you actually read.
72 is the percentage of out of wedlock births, the birth rate different.
SMH

 

[Matt504]

 

[Kenny West]

You really have no idea what you are typing about. LOL

Here you go with the underlined in the article


This is how I know you didn't read the short article and if you did you don't have the ability to comprehend what you actually read.
72 is the percentage of out of wedlock births, the birth rate different.
SMH

nikka...

Those aren't contradictory. The first one is what it is, the second one would mean the birthrate as a whole declined.

Reading comprehension huh

As long as the birthrate among married black women decreased along with single womens the stat is not a contradiction. Oh and it did.

Understanding Out-of-Wedlock Births in Black America

You need a time out

 

[David_TheMan]

nikka...

Reading comprehension huh

As long as the birthrate among married black women decreased along with single womens the stat is not a contradiction. Oh and it did.

Understanding Out-of-Wedlock Births in Black America

You need a time out

Again showing your inability to read and comprehend what was written.
SMH.

 

[Roid Jones]

A lame is someone who can't navigate social situations. That guy at the mixer hugging the wall thinking how stupid everyone else is for adhering to social norms. I'm introverted as hell naturally. I used to be that guy. But no matter how much smarter than the room you think you are you still gotta be able to carry on conversations.

Whether that means turning on ESPN radio on your commute to work so you can shoot the shyt with your boss and put yourself in a better position for a promotion, or if it means scrolling bossip for 10-15 min out of your day so you can entertain your lady when she wants to talk about celebrity gossip.

Once again, you don't have to do any of that, but that's why people consider you "lame". I don't give a shyt about Beyonce at the CMA awards, but it took me 10 min to get up on it. So if I go on a date we can have a flowing conversation and it won't just be me talking about myself for hours or asking her questions like a job interview.

Dope post, when I see dudes on here thinking it's cool to be disconnected and sit in some mental ivory tower and look down on people for being social it makes me

 

[Gravity]

You can learn. You can direct yourself. You're a fukking man.

Black men aren't learning though so what's the solution? All you're basically saying is "black men got to do better" with no solution as to how black men are going to do better. Placing all of the responsibility on black men while saying that black women bear no responsibility is just stupid. It makes no sense. If you're not equipped with the skills to take of yourself and a family then you're not a "fukking man" you're just a male. Males aren't born with the skills to be (productive patriarchal)men, those skills have to be instilled and taught.

And I'm saying, initial programming can be overcome if, A you realize there's a problem, and B seek out the solution to that problem.

There are many men out there who aren't beta bytches. Learn from them. Read some books written by men who weren't beta bytches.

I'm the only one talking solutions though. The things that you've said/offered aren't solutions. Just telling black men to read books and learn from other men who aren't their fathers isn't a solution to the "how do black men establish/lead a healthy functional black community" question.

You're giving simple insufficient answers to how black men should overcome being sabotaged in their upbringing and im saying that black people need to stop sabotaging black boys so that they can grow up to be patriarchal men.

Your overall point that black men can build a community without assistance from black women is wrong on all levels. Black women are essential to anything that we do.

Cats keep saying "black men just got to stand up and build and black women will fall in line" but shows that you don't have a clear understanding of what has happened. Black feminism originated in the 60s-70s right when black men were trying to step up and build some shyt. You had strong patriarchal black men stepping up and trying to lead and white men sent white women to get in black women's ear talking that feminism shyt. Black used black male misogyny and sexism as an excuse to jump ship and they're still using that same excuse to this day. I keep using his quote but it's quite accurate, black women are raising black boys to grow up to be Deray not Malcolm. That has to change if we're serious about getting black men to step up.

 

[HellRell804]

Black men aren't learning though so what's the solution? All you're basically saying is "black men got to do better" with no solution as to how black men are going to do better. Placing all of the responsibility on black men while saying that black women bear no responsibility is just stupid. It makes no sense. If you're not equipped with the skills to take of yourself and a family then you're not a "fukking man" you're just a male. Males aren't born with the skills to be (productive patriarchal)men, those skills have to be instilled and taught.
I'm the only one talking solutions though. The things that you've said/offered aren't solutions. Just telling black men to read books and learn from other men who aren't their fathers isn't a solution to the "how do black men establish/lead a healthy functional black community" question.

You're giving simple insufficient answers to how black men should overcome being sabotaged in their upbringing and im saying that black people need to stop sabotaging black boys so that they can grow up to be patriarchal men.

Your overall point that black men can build a community without assistance from black women is wrong on all levels. Black women are essential to anything that we do.

Cats keep saying "black men just got to stand up and build and black women will fall in line" but shows that you don't have a clear understanding of what has happened. Black feminism originated in the 60s-70s right when black men were trying to step up and build some shyt. You had strong patriarchal black men stepping up and trying to lead and white men sent white women to get in black women's ear talking that feminism shyt. Black used black male misogyny and sexism as an excuse to jump ship and they're still using that same excuse to this day. I keep using his quote but it's quite accurate, black women are raising black boys to grow up to be Deray not Malcolm. That has to change if we're serious about getting black men to step up.

Ok so let's say every black single mother and deadbeat dad in america says "we fukked up, I'm sorry . After the "I told you so" parade, what's the next move? That's not gonna erase decades of miseducation.

How is finding a successful man to learn from and mold yourself after not a solution?

Not having a dad might alter you mentally but its not a physiological change. Plenty of men grew up bytch made and made something of themselves.

Dude your whole solution is that women should just fall in line out of some sort of loyalty then we wait 20 or so years for the next generation. If a man has his shyt together women will fall in line or risk losing you. If you don't they will treat u any kind of way and do what they want.

Again, why would they wanna fall in line and be a general in your piece of shyt army when she can rule her own shyt?

Sounds like you're in the anger phase. It passes, after a while you accept women for what they are

 

[Action Mike]

I was looking at the thread about boys turning into girls and the only ones arguing with op were Men.

You soft ass nikkas are the reason black patriarchy doesn't work. You latte sipping, spineless, mama's boys are the type of men who could, in theory, lead a family, but you've been conditioned to think its ok to defer to women. Ignore what women say, watch what they do. The fact of the matter is women don't want men who're comfortable letting her shoulder the burden if decision making while you debate Dragonball and Pokemon. You're not progressive because you rally under female leadership, you're a bytch.

And the numbers prove it. That's why the out of wedlock #s are so high. These women have resorted to just settling for sex with men who turn them on primally, even if that means they have to go it alone.

Look at the reactions to trump, I barely saw any women posting, it was nikkas running around like the sky was falling. A real patriach would be confident that he can steer his family in the right direction regardless of the circumstances.

Put down the Xbox controller and pick up some weights. Take some extra shifts at your job and stop blowing money on designer clothes and shoes. Take a class or two to up your earning potential. Be a damn man. Stop waiting and wishing for female approval before you do anything. Be able to put your foot down and live with the consequences, right or wrong, good or bad. Stop blaming women for being women.

A lot of dudes seem to want a psuedo patriarchy where the woman contributes half, watches the kids, and run the day to day while deferring to you for major decisions. Life doesn't work like that. In that situation you're expendable. She has a social safety net to shield her.

Get your credit up yourself. Buy that starter house. Take pride in your appearance without going full metrosexual. Invite a woman into your world, stop this silly notion that we're going to build together.

Don't hate the guy smashing and dashing. Figure out why he's so attractive (hint: he doesn't supplicate), and get that mindset. Its not easy, its not an attitude you can flip on to get her then comfortably slide back under her. You cant just throw money at her. You have to maintain that attraction til the day you die, all the while handling your business

this aint news to me and im glad brehs know this

leading takes practice

dont bother saving the brehs who dont agree

yall die

 

[Sterling Archer]

Couldve done without the Dragonball shots to be honest.

 

[Taadow]

You think that you're saying something but you're not really saying shyt. No group of man can build a community without help from their community. One major reason that black patriarchy fails is because black women(generally speaking) help sabotage it. The allegiance that they've pledged to this liberal left agenda(feminism/gay rights) sabotages black patriarchy.

You mentioned trump and he's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. During the last year plus dude has disrespected every white woman who has dared challenge him, and that's on top of being exposed as a so called sexist who sexually harasses women. Did that stop white women from getting on their white supremacist code and supporting him anyway? fukk no. White women have unconditional support from white men. Trump doesn't win without white women. A black trump would never rise to power in the black community because black women don't have the same unconditional loyalty/support for black men. Black women would never support a black trump. A black trump would be served up to the liberal left on a platter by black women, see Nate Parker. You can't be an unapologetically strong straight black man who promotes patriarchy Because black women aren't supporting or even condoning that.

So I feel the overall point that black men have got to step shyt up but we're not going to be able to step shyt up with black women actively working to sabotage shyt. That's not me blaming all black women for the state of the community, that's me being honest about the situation. Whites haven't empowered black women over black men for nothing. It's a deliberate move and black women(and bytchmade liberal black men because there's an abundance of them) are going to have to wake up and recognize the game.

Imma have to agree with this, even though the OP had a couple valid points.

The bottom line is: Black Patriarchy fails because most systems in this world fail, let alone the ones that are sabotaged.

 

[PlainSight]

There were some good points in the OP

Building oneself up and becoming more rounded as a person is definitely something more black men should be looking to do, absolutely. Having a purpose, if you will. My issue stems with this idea about de facto leadership and this narrow concept of what being masculine is supposed to entail. Not every man is a leader, and that's OK. Sometimes women are leaders, that's OK too. We've been conditioned into only believing that a patriarchal setup will save us, when in actuality, it will prove to be continually divisive. If you don't fit a certain mold of what a black man is supposed to be, you're fukked - you face opposition. Ditto if you have the supposed misfortune of being gay. If you're a woman, you're expected to want to be led. It's all conditioning and we're completely indoctrinated by this, for better or for worse. We all are, even me and I'm trying to unlearn certain aspects of this shyt that I consider harmful to others.

There is a balance here IMO. You can take charge of your own destiny and forge a path for yourself without subscribing to a patriarchal mindset. The reason I don't subscribe to a black patriarchy is simply because it only allows for a few type of black people to thrive (straight black men like myself, particularly those who have traditional masculine traits, and straight black women who are submissive to said traits) and not all. In a way, we'd be parroting white supremacy rather than seeking to dismantle it. At least that's what I think.

As for who women are choosing to have sex with - that's not a problem I really care about .

 

[Drew Wonder]

Another reason i don't like when brothers say that, you're basically making it sound like women "should know beforehand" that a black man is likely to leave her a single mother. What you're saying is that women should expect black men to not to be there to raise his children and therefore should avoid procreating with us altogether.

Bruh, I'm always when I see black men say this shyt, It's such a self-hating, lowkey c00nish statement and they don't even realize it. Yes, it's good to expect more from our sisters, but we also have to expect MORE from ourselves. Instead we get in these stupid, petty, back and forth, "what came first, the chicken or the egg" arguments with black women about who's to blame for the problems in the black family unit.
Meanwhile the white man is sitting back watching like

And some of the responses I've seen on here to Trump winning are insane. Instead of seeing this as a blatant example of how a good portion of this country is trying to uphold white supremacy, you got dudes on here basically celebrating because in their minds it represents a defeat of feminism and reinforces their "HOH" theory. If ya'll nyggas think feminism is bad for the black community, wait until you see what a Trump presidency is gonna do. The shyt that's about to go down in the next four years will have some of ya'll saying, "hmm, maybe some of the feminazis have a point about how bad white patriarchy actually is "

 

[Axum Ezana]

Bruh, I'm always when I see black men say this shyt, It's such a self-hating, lowkey c00nish statement and they don't even realize it. Yes, it's good to expect more from our sisters, but we also have to expect MORE from ourselves. Instead we get in these stupid, petty, back and forth, "what came first, the chicken or the egg" arguments with black women about who's to blame for the problems in the black family unit.
Meanwhile the white man is sitting back watching like

And some of the responses I've seen on here to Trump winning are insane. Instead of seeing this as a blatant example of how a good portion of this country is trying to uphold white supremacy, you got dudes on here basically celebrating because in their minds it represents a defeat of feminism and reinforces their "HOH" theory. If ya'll nyggas think feminism is bad for the black community, wait until you see what a Trump presidency is gonna do. The shyt that's about to go down in the next four years will have some of ya'll saying, "hmm, maybe some of the feminazis have a point about how bad white patriarchy actually is "

1.true, that's why I said earlier its easier just to stay in ur kid life married and raise them......then u don't have to worry as much bout them coming up brain washed or whatever u fear....lol stop the cycle....stop being selfish.

2.feminazi is only bad cause its supported by the white men in power.(so really its not feminism or humanism....its white supremacy) its just a tool/card that they pick up to use when needed to stop black men and confuse/deceive black women. shyt was created by a racist white woman and that's all I need to know bout that ideology. my opinion tho.

some black feminazi mean good but teaming up with white femi aint the way to in better ur condition. u team up with the black community/men and build/fight there. the people enslaving u don't see gender all they see is that u black which is why yo ass was in field or still a slave nanny servant back then.

white women love to use that...."but but but black men had the right to vote before us". and they had the right be killed in slaughtered before u with no justice bytch(still to this day)...matter of fact u never had that right. yall also had the right to own blacks as property before us.so sit down with that cac divisive trickery.

ask ur self who was really treated better socially/politically when black men got the right to vote.....

 

[Gravity]

Ok so let's say every black single mother and deadbeat dad in america says "we fukked up, I'm sorry . After the "I told you so" parade, what's the next move? That's not gonna erase decades of miseducation.

I havent said anything about folk saying "we fukked up in sorry". It's not about that it's about us realizing that we're sabotaging ourselves with the ideologies that we continue to embrace.

How is finding a successful man to learn from and mold yourself after not a solution?

Its not a solution because it doesn't address the root cause of the problem. Young black males growing up in dysfunctional environments are looking up to the wrong men as examples to mold themselves after in the first place. A young black boy who doesn't know any better will look up to the neighborhood dope boy or gang banger before he will look up to the square black man who's struggling busting his ass to raise his family even tho he's more of a success than the dope boy or gang banger. Thanks to parental neglect our youth have a fukked up value system and unless you're addressing the cause of that you're not talking about real solutions.

Not having a dad might alter you mentally but its not a physiological change. Plenty of men grew up bytch made and made something of themselves.

Sure, but even more men grow up not to make anything of themselves because they were raised to be bytchmade. What kind of point of this? Since some people do overcome the odds that the odds don't matter? Flowers sometimes grow the thru the cracks of concrete, so does that mean that cement doesn't hinder plants from growing? Come on bruh, the state of the community speaks for itself and we're discussing ways to improve it. Black boys shouldn't have to overcome being raised to be bytchmade and dependent. They shouldn't be sabotaged like that at all.

Dude your whole solution is that women should just fall in line out of some sort of loyalty then we wait 20 or so years for the next generation. If a man has his shyt together women will fall in line or risk losing you. If you don't they will treat u any kind of way and do what they want.

You keep saying this dumb shyt over and over even after I have explained to you where you're going wrong. You don't even have a complete understanding of what I'm saying yet you're still trying to argue.

I'm not saying that black women should fall in line just out of loyalty. I'm saying that they should fall in line because it's in their own best self interests. Loyalty to black men and themselves is in their own best interest. Black women are shooting themselves in the foot by embracing this liberal left feminist/gay agenda. Embracing shyt like feminism and the fight for gay fights is a form of selling out.

We don't have to wait for shyt. If black women would reject this liberal left agenda to recommit to the traditional family structure then the community would improve overnight. You keep saying "all black men got to do is get their shyt together" as if it's that easy. I'm telling you that our young boys are being raised not to know how to get their shyt together then they are subjected to institutional racism that prevents them from getting their shyt together, and that's why they aren't getting it together.

You think that you're kicking game but you're not. You got to know when to fall back and listen.

Again, why would they wanna fall in line and be a general in your piece of shyt army when she can rule her own shyt?

See, you cats don't really have life experience nor do you have a lot of intelligence. All you cats have is movie quotes, rap lyrics, and shyt that others have said.

Black women don't rule shyt. The "hoods" where most black people live in this country are owned/ruled by whites. Black women are just the managers employed to maintain the status quo. In order for US to rule out own communities black women and black men are going to have to fall in line with real true black unity and empowerment. As it is now, black women are simply the white man's mammy used to keep the slave quarters in check. That's the reason that black women should fall in line. They're being used against themselves and their own. Black women should take notes from what white women have just done in the election because white women pulled the okie doke on all the non black c00ns who believe in this liberal bullshyt.