Failed Black Patriarchy

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

This is gonna make some brehs mad (the truth always does), but you can't even act like it's just black women that this is happening with, because black men are doing the same stuff to the white and latina women that we have children with. Definitely not creating jobs for our kids, but also not even doing the basic thing of marrying the mother and raising the child with her in a 2-parent household. That is a very BASIC thing and a lot of us refuse to do it, regardless of the race of the mother. We're leaving chicks of all races single mothers to raise our kids, and this is happening not just with black women but with non black women too. Is that everybody elses fault as well? Should all women of all races "know better" and just stop fukking with us altogether to avoid becoming a jaded baby mama raising a kid by herself?

They are not ready

 

[Ziggiy]

I agree with the OP mostly except for the mocking of "building together".
I've found that a relationship is more solid if the two DO build together. Not saying the man should have nothing or the woman should be shouldering the burden while he gets his shyt together, but TRUE building. Meaning you guys plan and execute as a unit

 

[skeetsinternal]

Thanks for this OP. It's good that you broke it down like this for the fellas but who is speaking to these black b... females about not putting cases on a breh cause they mad and can't talk to a nikka or running to their white daddy in them courts

 

[Kenny West]

Black men aren't learning though so what's the solution? All you're basically saying is "black men got to do better" with no solution as to how black men are going to do better. Placing all of the responsibility on black men while saying that black women bear no responsibility is just stupid. It makes no sense. If you're not equipped with the skills to take of yourself and a family then you're not a "fukking man" you're just a male. Males aren't born with the skills to be (productive patriarchal)men, those skills have to be instilled and taught.
I'm the only one talking solutions though. The things that you've said/offered aren't solutions. Just telling black men to read books and learn from other men who aren't their fathers isn't a solution to the "how do black men establish/lead a healthy functional black community" question.

You're giving simple insufficient answers to how black men should overcome being sabotaged in their upbringing and im saying that black people need to stop sabotaging black boys so that they can grow up to be patriarchal men.

Your overall point that black men can build a community without assistance from black women is wrong on all levels. Black women are essential to anything that we do.

Cats keep saying "black men just got to stand up and build and black women will fall in line" but shows that you don't have a clear understanding of what has happened. Black feminism originated in the 60s-70s right when black men were trying to step up and build some shyt. You had strong patriarchal black men stepping up and trying to lead and white men sent white women to get in black women's ear talking that feminism shyt. Black used black male misogyny and sexism as an excuse to jump ship and they're still using that same excuse to this day. I keep using his quote but it's quite accurate, black women are raising black boys to grow up to be Deray not Malcolm. That has to change if we're serious about getting black men to step up.

Change the culture. Change your standard of what accept upon black men and women. Don't act like you can't because I'm sure bw aren't delighted to have words like bedwench or thot added to their social dictionary. The effectiveness of everything I write in this spoiler is solely dependent on how mentally strong you are as a man to not bend how willing you are to not accept the current black american status quo, resist the criticism of the racist status quo and bend to the complaints of women

Spoiler

Make a respectable standard that can be worked toward and lived up to by average men but still has a wall of exclusivity that cant be cheaply passed. Have it based on masculine virtues like honor/honoring a code, providing for and protecting your family, comradre and brotherhood but also extol black incentives like black image positivity, resistance to colorism, contribution to black economy, a sense of trust and community among black people, resistance to rhetoric of inferiority, inclusion of all black people as black regardless of location hobby or afilliation but also honorinng individuals who contribute to the betterment of the black community. Do not put a price tag on it.

Aggressively shun degenerate culture (multiple babymommas, NOT TAKING CARE OF YOUR KIDS, being an addict, having the amount of women you bed be a determining factor of your manhood), street culture, active criminality, idealization of entertainers and athletes because they are the most likely to be virtueless and their influence can be bought. Enforce this standard onto your sons the most

In your dating habits aggressively screen women according to your new standard. If you're single mercilessly pump and dump low virtue women (hoes, cheaters, ig model attn whores/ booking prostitutes, feminists, women with the disposition to enjoy undermining men, strippers, gold diggers, trifling women in general) who don't meet the new standard and let them know thats the reason you're doing it. Be vocal that a woman that has any shot with you can't be someone who constantly allows herself to being courted by multiple men, living in disfunction, willingly having kids with unwilling/absentee fathers, chasing drama etc. Let women who have potential to meet the standard know what you expect of them. Incentivize those women by presenting them a distinct and black lifestlyle doing right by them and flaunting them because every woman wishes to be desired. Make her position next to you something to covet vs throwing her back to be lost in the sea of dikk that is the dating scene like every other dude. If your standards begin to be interpreted as a sense of superiority, fukk it. Double down and stunt on them nikkas because to some thats all they respect. Make an idea of what the new gold standard of black men will be and do not base it all on the opinion of anyone other than positive productive black men

And really the "Good" black men can do this all by themselves without black women's approval or cooperation from low ambition black men. If you're a black man who's got options, lives independently, a [potentially] high earner of CLEAN money, attractive, educated/intelligent, a business owner and all that other 6 certs shyt you're already the gold standard. Women care about what you think 100x over 80% of the men in their life. Women will vocally resist it and it may very well be considered unfair...who cares. The submit to men who don't commit to them and dominant men everyday

I hate to use these terms, but I'll put it into terms you can digest: the black community is already a matriarchy and under that the males being produced have feminine values and female friendly standards. Gossip and celebrity worship, contentment with being consumers over producers, approval seeking of women, priority on blame avoidence, ask nothing of women other than to have a p*ssy. Welp, these are the men they created. They had their say and it's obvious to tell their idea of men was constucted for their own utility to make women feel they deserve the world simply for showing up. The standard for black men is pretty low itself, have a car crib and a job and you have filled out a lot the logical checkboxes of most bw keep it a bean. Create one above it. Educated/working black women are fustrated with this low standard already so the demand is there

And before any smartass says it no I'm not living up to every single one of those standards myself currently. But It's something anyone can work toward and I'm willing. Are you?

Again showing your inability to read and comprehend what was written.
SMH.

Somewhere along the way you think I conflated the rate of birth and the percentage of unmarried couples. I didn't. The article says they contradict each other when they don't. Most black american kids aren't being born out of wedlock and the the ones that aren't doubled among total births but the overall number of black american births went down. Tell me how thats a contradiction or stfu

 

[David_TheMan]

Change the culture. Change your standard of what accept upon black men and women. Don't act like you can't because I'm sure bw aren't delighted to have words like bedwench or thot added to their social dictionary. The effectiveness of everything I write in this spoiler is solely dependent on how mentally strong you are as a man to not bend how willing you are to not accept the current black american status quo, resist the criticism of the racist status quo and bend to the complaints of women

Spoiler

Make a respectable standard that can be worked toward and lived up to by average men but still has a wall of exclusivity that cant be cheaply passed. Have it based on masculine virtues like honor/honoring a code, providing for and protecting your family, comradre and brotherhood but also extol black incentives like black image positivity, resistance to colorism, contribution to black economy, a sense of trust and community among black people, resistance to rhetoric of inferiority, inclusion of all black people as black regardless of location hobby or afilliation but also honorinng individuals who contribute to the betterment of the black community. Do not put a price tag on it.

Aggressively shun degenerate culture (multiple babymommas, NOT TAKING CARE OF YOUR KIDS, being an addict, having the amount of women you bed be a determining factor of your manhood), street culture, active criminality, idealization of entertainers and athletes because they are the most likely to be virtueless and their influence can be bought. Enforce this standard onto your sons the most

In your dating habits aggressively screen women according to your new standard. If you're single mercilessly pump and dump low virtue women (hoes, cheaters, ig model attn whores/ booking prostitutes, feminists, women with the disposition to enjoy undermining men, strippers, gold diggers, trifling women in general) who don't meet the new standard and let them know thats the reason you're doing it. Be vocal that a woman that has any shot with you can't be someone who constantly allows herself to being courted by multiple men, living in disfunction, willingly having kids with unwilling/absentee fathers, chasing drama etc. Let women who have potential to meet the standard know what you expect of them. Incentivize those women by presenting them a distinct and black lifestlyle doing right by them and flaunting them because every woman wishes to be desired. Make her position next to you something to covet vs throwing her back to be lost in the sea of dikk that is the dating scene like every other dude. If your standards begin to be interpreted as a sense of superiority, fukk it. Double down and stunt on them nikkas because to some thats all they respect. Make an idea of what the new gold standard of black men will be and do not base it all on the opinion of anyone other than positive productive black men

And really the "Good" black men can do this all by themselves without black women's approval or cooperation from low ambition black men. If you're a black man who's got options, lives independently, a [potentially] high earner of CLEAN money, attractive, educated/intelligent, a business owner and all that other 6 certs shyt you're already the gold standard. Women care about what you think 100x over 80% of the men in their life. Women will vocally resist it and it may very well be considered unfair...who cares. The submit to men who don't commit to them and dominant men everyday

I hate to use these terms, but I'll put it into terms you can digest: the black community is already a matriarchy and under that the males being produced have feminine values and female friendly standards. Gossip and celebrity worship, contentment with being consumers over producers, approval seeking of women, priority on blame avoidence, ask nothing of women other than to have a p*ssy. Welp, these are the men they created. They had their say and it's obvious to tell their idea of men was constucted for their own utility to make women feel they deserve the world simply for showing up. The standard for black men is pretty low itself, have a car crib and a job and you have filled out a lot the logical checkboxes of most bw keep it a bean. Create one above it. Educated/working black women are fustrated with this low standard already so the demand is there

And before any smartass says it no I'm not living up to every single one of those standards myself currently. But It's something anyone can work toward and I'm willing. Are you?

Somewhere along the way you think I conflated the rate of birth and the percentage of unmarried couples. I didn't. The article says they contradict each other when they don't. Most black american kids aren't being born out of wedlock and the the ones that aren't doubled among total births but the overall number of black american births went down. Tell me how thats a contradiction or stfu

No the article didn't say they contradict each other. You literally are making shyt up. SMH

 

[10bandz]

i already see black hoes out here on some "our future generations won't be this racist! We'll call the shots in the future!" shyt as if white males 18-29 didnt vote Trump or white women didn't vote Trump.They think that shyt is sweet while black man are consistent targets by these supposed "non-racist" young people who will be the future leaders. Same crap people thought years ago and here we are still with the white nationalist shyt

 

[Kenny West]

No the article didn't say they contradict each other. You literally are making shyt up. SMH

"However, this figure does not mean what conservatives seem to think it means. While the right uses this data to insist that black women and their male partners — and the larger culture from which they come — are increasingly irresponsible, the reality is, even though the share of out-of-wedlock births as a percentage of all black births has nearly doubled, the actual rate of births to unmarried black women has fallen dramatically. If these seemingly contradictory realities appear confusing to you, it’s not your fault. Almost no one explains it: some because they don’t understand what’s going on, and others because they have a political motivation to lie."

Those aren't contradictory. The first one is what it is, the second one would mean the birthrate as a whole declined.

Whoever wrote this needs critical thinking skills

4th paragraph of the excerpt you posted.

Jesus what is wrong with you

 

[David_TheMan]

4th paragraph of the excerpt you posted.

Jesus what is wrong with you

I guess you don't understand what the word "seemingly" means.
SMH
Man you should have quit after you were corrected

 

[Gravity]

Change the culture. on it.

Stopped right here because it's clear that you like to talk just to hear/read your own voice/words. You're the feminine type of bytchmade dude I'm talking about. I'd bet money that you were raised without a father.

 

[Kenny West]

I guess you don't understand what the word "seemingly" means.
SMH
Man you should have quit after you were corrected

Ok upon entering the 360th degree of this arguement I understand now what's wrong with you. You are retarded.

The "seemingly" portion of the sentence is exactly whats wrong. They aren't contradictory whatsoever.

 

[David_TheMan]

Ok upon entering the 360th degree of this arguement I understand now what's wrong with you. You are retarded.

The "seemingly" portion of the sentence is exactly whats wrong. They aren't contradictory whatsoever.

You don't understand words and make up your own definitions. LOL

 

[Kenny West]

Stopped right here because it's clear that you like to talk just to hear/read your own voice/words. You're the feminine type of bytchmade dude I'm talking about. I'd bet money that you were raised without a father.

It's fine you didn't read it. Your priority is wallowing in self pity and blaming black women.It's easy to tell your positon from your posts and how resistant you are to anyone suggesting action from black men. The dislaimer at the end of that paragraph was to turn away nikkas like you, so I'm glad your instincts kicked in early. The ideas in that spoiler answer all your concerns in your post #240 to @HellRell804 , but they can only be utilized men who can dominate their own reality to a capacity. You are not capable and thus your place is here, bickering with lonely women online over their share of the blame for your lack of capability like the manchild you are.

And yes I was raised with my dad in my life. He taught me that man's actions are the determining factors in a man's life trajectory not waiting for black women take action first. Don't projecting your own mommy mentality and fatherlessness on others. Not all of us are bytch ass nikkas who expecting women to take initiative ourselves. Not all of us claim to know better but refuse to do better until black women do so first. You're alone on that

 

[HellRell804]

It's fine you didn't read it. Your priority is wallowing in self pity and blaming black women.It's easy to tell your positon from your posts and how resistant you are to anyone suggesting action from black men. The dislaimer at the end of that paragraph was to turn away nikkas like you, so I'm glad your instincts kicked in early. The ideas in that spoiler answer all your concerns in your post #240 to @HellRell804 , but they can only be utilized men who can dominate their own reality to a capacity. You are not capable and thus your place is here, bickering with lonely women online over their share of the blame for your lack of capability like the manchild you are.

And yes I was raised with my dad in my life. He taught me that man's actions are the determining factors in a man's life trajectory not waiting for black women take action first. Don't projecting your own mommy mentality and fatherlessness on others. Not all of us are bytch ass nikkas who expecting women to take initiative ourselves. Not all of us claim to know better but refuse to do better until black women do so first. You're alone on that

nikka acting like the whole community gotta change or shyt is pointless. No group of people are that on code. Like I was kinda feeling where he was coming from at first but the more he kept talking it was clear, for whatever reason he's mad at women. I said in the op stop blaming women for being women

 

[Gravity]

It's fine you didn't read it. Your priority is wallowing in self pity and blaming black women.It's easy to tell your positon from your posts and how resistant you are to anyone suggesting action from black men.

I don't believe that either of you were raised by men because you're both quite feminine. You've turned a difference of opinion into something personal. That's how women deflect when they want to dodge points that they don't want to concede to.

This thread is about black patriarchy and why it has failed. I've explained why it has failed, why it continues to fail and I've given a valid solution to prevent it from failing. There's nothing about self pity or blaming black women for shyt that they aren't doing. Black women(and a lot of black men) have fully embraced this liberal left culture that is basically anti-family and it's sabotaging the community. You said

Change the culture.

and that's exactly what I've been saying the entire time. We've got to change the environment and culture that we are raising our kids in because it's sabotaging them. Again, this liberal left anti-family culture is sabotaging our entire community.

You haven't even challenged the validity of what I've said. All you've done is lie about what I've said by creating straw men arguments and ad hominems. "You just want to wallow in self pity and blame black women". I've literally said "this is how we're fukking up and this what we've got to do to stop fukking up". I don't disagree with you saying that black men have got to step up, I disagree with you saying that black women don't have to step up and that they aren't needed. You're trying to change the argument because you don't really have an argument. You're a chic just running off at the mouth. If you do have a dad then shame on him for raising a little bytch.

nikka acting like the whole community gotta change or shyt is pointless. No group of people are that on code. Like I was kinda feeling where he was coming from at first but the more he kept talking it was clear, for whatever reason he's mad at women. I said in the op stop blaming women for being women

That's a lie and this election just showed you that. White peopl are that on-code. White women show you how essential the women are to a race of people. White women had every excuse in the book to vote against Trump and for Hillary and put all that shyt to the side and remained loyal to their men. White men don't accept that bullshyt from their women and they expect them to stay in line and stay on code. Why you 2 don't think that black women are capable of this and should be held to the same standard is beyond me. It's ironic that you accuse me of hating women when you're the one who thinks so little of them. You've basically said "women aren't shyt and shouldn't be expected of anything" and I completely disagree with that. You talk about women like they're helpless children who aren't smart enough to get the game and shouldn't be expected to. The question is why do YOU have women so much? Why do you think so little of them that they can't recognize counterproductive behavior and correct it?

 

[HellRell804]

I don't believe that either of you were raised by men because you're both quite feminine. You've turned a difference of opinion into something personal. That's how women deflect when they want to dodge points that they don't want to concede to.

This thread is about black patriarchy and why it has failed. I've explained why it has failed, why it continues to fail and I've given a valid solution to prevent it from failing. There's nothing about self pity or blaming black women for shyt that they aren't doing. Black women(and a lot of black men) have fully embraced this liberal left culture that is basically anti-family and it's sabotaging the community. You said and that's exactly what I've been saying the entire time. We've got to change the environment and culture that we are raising our kids in because it's sabotaging them. Again, this liberal left anti-family culture is sabotaging our entire community.

You haven't even challenged the validity of what I've said. All you've done is lie about what I've said by creating straw men arguments and ad hominems. "You just want to wallow in self pity and blame black women". I've literally said "this is how we're fukking up and this what we've got to do to stop fukking up". I don't disagree with you saying that black men have got to step up, I disagree with you saying that black women don't have to step up and that they aren't needed. You're trying to change the argument because you don't really have an argument. You're a chic just running off at the mouth. If you do have a dad then shame on him for raising a little bytch.
That's a lie and this election just showed you that. White peopl are that on-code. White women show you how essential the women are to a race of people. White women had every excuse in the book to vote against Trump and for Hillary and put all that shyt to the side and remained loyal to their men. White men don't accept that bullshyt from their women and they expect them to stay in line and stay on code. Why you 2 don't think that black women are capable of this and should be held to the same standard is beyond me. It's ironic that you accuse me of hating women when you're the one who thinks so little of them. You've basically said "women aren't shyt and shouldn't be expected of anything" and I completely disagree with that. You talk about women like they're helpless children who aren't smart enough to get the game and shouldn't be expected to. The question is why do YOU have women so much? Why do you think so little of them that they can't recognize counterproductive behavior and correct it?

For 1 Trump didn't get 100% of the white people vote. He got ENOUGH of them to win. I don't feel like looking at the stats but the crying white men and women filling up social media shows me that. And that's the point I'm tryna make to you. Change comes in increments. If you truly lead people will follow.

And 2 I don't hate women at all. I love them and accept them as they are. Irrational decision making, emotions and all. The more I read and the more experience I got with them I realized that's just human nature. They've been the same way since biblical times and they're not going to change, so you adjust and adapt.

You're almost there, you've recognized the problem and your brain is telling you this problem wouldn't exist if women just acted right as you deem, which is kinda true, but its just like the feminist who believe the solution is for men to act Right as they deem. What you're both taking out of the equation is personal accountability. You can't make women "act right" unless you're trying to go back to the days of arranged marriages, dowries, and a lifetime of domestic work, which isn't going to nor should happen. Just like feminist can't make men submit without being able to physically dominate them, which they are not capable of doing.

So just like women can use their feminine charm to influence men to get what they want, men have to reclaim their masculinity. Is every woman gonna fall in line probably not, just like every man doesn't accept feminism, but if you can get enough people on board you can make ggains