Then we are on the same page.Don't disagree with what you said tho...
Fast food workers strike, demanding $15 an hour
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MegaTronBomb!
Power is in my hair nikka
and at the same time, that Single mother with 2 kids can live with her sister,grandmother or Aunt and split the bills in an apartment.... yeah it wouldn't be the greatest living situation, but it would be doable.
hell, if both of them working at Mcdonalds, and getting government assistance they could pay their bills, put food on the table, kids would most likely have free lunch, and maybe a few luxuries like cable/internet or maybe a trip somewhere every blue moon.
they might not be able to live in a "safe" neighborhood, but they'd have a place to live.
it's like people forgot that families have been dealing with shyt like this since the 1800's. this isn't exactly uncharted waters.
TrapHouse Rock
All Star
i dont always agree with your shyt, but you have been shutting down this thread
mcdonalds has operating costs that are the result of a worldwide infrastructure that dude in new orleans with two burger spots does not have to deal with
his food probably costs more too and is of higher quality, so in order to provide his more 'premium' product he pays his employees more
CashmereThoughts
Veteran
Sooooooo... Nobody is gonna answer who here works for themselves and who is part of this corporate monster huh...
Corporate here.
Competitive salary, 7 am-330 p schedule, medidical expense card, paid time off, weekends off, nice bonuses, 401k matching, travel perdium, Airline miles, sebaticle... I'm comfortable..
I'll
for that, no shame workin for the manStep one in analyzing a situation: do not use anecdotal evidence to try to prove your point when there are wide-ranging statistics that prove otherwise. The fact that you all are harping on this minimum wage argument is foolish for multiple reasons:
(1) On average, your wage is not determined by what you can convince your employer to pay you, to assume that is to assume that the worker has some semblance of bargaining power, they do not. That was the entire basis behind the labor relations act and minimum wage laws, just because it's possible in some isolated circumstances does not mean it is widespread overall. In fact, people who make 6 figures salaries are often stuck within a lockstep salary structure themselves. But even more so, the idea that "unskilled" people are the only ones working at Starbucks, waitressing, etc. is a joke. I thought I dispelled that yesterday, I have no idea why we're still talking about.
(2) the minimum wage has not risen according to inflation, so basically you are all tacitly supporting a status quo that takes advantages of the law to depress individuals.
(3) You take the elitist tone that someone working at Wal-Mart is lesser than you and thus they should not have the opportunity to support a family whatsoever because they are working a job that many others are capable of working, meanwhile you ignore that the entire middle class was built up in the manufacturing sector with people doing jobs we could all be trained to do.
(4) You have this magical belief in the market somehow distributing fairness and paying people what they're worth. Well let's look at China's market or anywhere else we export work too. The baseline for what one can be paid in this country rose due to the minimum wage laws and labor unions. Left to their own devices, employers will pay players nothing.
(5) The idea that someone working at a fast food place does not deserve to be paid a higher wage and that it will cripple the industry is ridiculous. In Las Vegas, as of 2004, hotel housekeepers generally earned $11.95 an hour. That is equivalent to making 46,010 a year in New York City or over 22 dollars per hour. It is because the workers were unionized, and the business was doing so well they decided to be magnamimous. A company like McDonalds could easily afford to do the same thing and adjust wages according to where the person is located. So inactuality, 15 dollars per hour isn't asking for much in comparative terms, and obviously McDonalds would not have to pay that amount to workers in the South and other places. The idea that McDonald's prices would HAVE to go up, by a significant amount is not necessarily true. (I don't have the time to go look up what percentage of their expenses come from employee salaries).
(1) On average, your wage is not determined by what you can convince your employer to pay you, to assume that is to assume that the worker has some semblance of bargaining power, they do not. That was the entire basis behind the labor relations act and minimum wage laws, just because it's possible in some isolated circumstances does not mean it is widespread overall. In fact, people who make 6 figures salaries are often stuck within a lockstep salary structure themselves. But even more so, the idea that "unskilled" people are the only ones working at Starbucks, waitressing, etc. is a joke. I thought I dispelled that yesterday, I have no idea why we're still talking about.
(2) the minimum wage has not risen according to inflation, so basically you are all tacitly supporting a status quo that takes advantages of the law to depress individuals.
(3) You take the elitist tone that someone working at Wal-Mart is lesser than you and thus they should not have the opportunity to support a family whatsoever because they are working a job that many others are capable of working, meanwhile you ignore that the entire middle class was built up in the manufacturing sector with people doing jobs we could all be trained to do.
(4) You have this magical belief in the market somehow distributing fairness and paying people what they're worth. Well let's look at China's market or anywhere else we export work too. The baseline for what one can be paid in this country rose due to the minimum wage laws and labor unions. Left to their own devices, employers will pay players nothing.
(5) The idea that someone working at a fast food place does not deserve to be paid a higher wage and that it will cripple the industry is ridiculous. In Las Vegas, as of 2004, hotel housekeepers generally earned $11.95 an hour. That is equivalent to making 46,010 a year in New York City or over 22 dollars per hour. It is because the workers were unionized, and the business was doing so well they decided to be magnamimous. A company like McDonalds could easily afford to do the same thing and adjust wages according to where the person is located. So inactuality, 15 dollars per hour isn't asking for much in comparative terms, and obviously McDonalds would not have to pay that amount to workers in the South and other places. The idea that McDonald's prices would HAVE to go up, by a significant amount is not necessarily true. (I don't have the time to go look up what percentage of their expenses come from employee salaries).
I didn't say it was easy to do, I said the idea that it's impossible and that people of that skill should inherently be paid nothing close to that is just based on conditioning. Second, I'd be forced to do a state by state and country by count cost calculation of the equivalent of 15 dollars in NYC. Third, I think your United States number is a bit high, but 700,000 is probably a good estimate.
But back to the second point. NYC (San Fran might be more but I think NYC still has them) is the most expensive area in the country. They would be paying less than that per worker in literarlly every other part of the country. To keep with my Vegas example that, $15 dollars would convert to 8 dollars an hour there. But without seeing how much they spent on employee salaries in the US alone (combined with the aforementioned information), I would be unable to make that analysis. I don't have those records. The point was simple, pretending that it's not feasible at all is just self-fulfilling prophecy. Refrain from strawmen.
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BlvdBrawler
Superstar
Yes. Corporations are evil and must be stopped at all cost!
Can you point out where in my post I said they were evil?
beenz
Rap Guerilla
Same shyt I said a couple pages ago. Lower class got govt assistance and mandatory wage increases. Rich got tax breaks. Middle class stay getting bent over. And these are the people doing the right thing. Going to work, paying taxes, and NOT living off the system.
No one gets tax breaks like the middle class.
Born2BKing
Veteran
I'm not sure how Mcdonald's works but usually a franchise owner sets the wages he wants to pay their employees. The corp office gets a large lump some up front and a monthly percentage of income for each store in order to use the trademark.
jilla82
Veteran
I quit my job last June.
I havent worked for anyone since.
