Fast food workers strike, demanding $15 an hour

[Bolzmark]

I'm not sure what the argument is here. This is capitalism at work. All this "should pay them more" kind of talk is bascally inappropriate when talking about capitalism.

Can the fast food corporations pay their workers more? Of course they can.

Will they? Of course not. Not until they are forced to.

This is corporate America people. Corporation have one goal. To make as much money as possible. Thats the bottom line. And decreasing your expenses, like workers salaries, is a good way to increase profits. They are not concerned with the fact that their workers struggle to pay their bills.

This is not slave-mentality thinking. This is capitalism. Welcome to America!

In a way we all do it. If you need your grass cut, and one guy will do it for $50, another for $25, and another for $5, and they all do about the same quality of work, who here is not employing the $5 guy, even if you can afford the $50 guy?

Many years ago, one of Americas most beloved corporations, Ford, had a little problem with their Pinto model. Seem there was a design flaw, where if the car was rear-ended, it was a good chance the gas tank would explode. There injuries, deths and lawsuits. So did Ford go ahead and recall the Pinto? No. They had experts calculate the likely number of future lawsuits and costs versus the cost of recall on the car. A "cost-benefit analysis". Turned out it would cost a lot more to recall the car. So instead of recalling the car and saving lives, they chose not to in order to save money.

And you think corporatons with this type of mentality are going to increase wages for workers when the dont have to?

Fukkouttahere.

 

[BlvdBrawler]

Can you point out where in my post I said they were evil?

Can you point out where in my post I said that you said they were evil?

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

I'm not sure what the argument is here. This is capitalism at work. All this "should pay them more" kind of talk is bascally inappropriate when talking about capitalism.

Can the fast food corporations pay their workers more? Of course they can.

Will they? Of course not. Not until they are forced to.

This is corporate America people. Corporation have one goal. To make as much money as possible. Thats the bottom line. And decreasing your expenses, like workers salaries, is a good way to increase profits. They are not concerned with the fact that their workers struggle to pay their bills.

This is not slave-mentality thinking. This is capitalism. Welcome to America!

In a way we all do it. If you need your grass cut, and one guy will do it for $50, another for $25, and another for $5, and they all do about the same quality of work, who here is not employing the $5 guy, even if you can afford the $50 guy?

Many years ago, one of Americas most beloved corporations, Ford, had a little problem with their Pinto model. Seem there was a design flaw, where if the car was rear-ended, it was a good chance the gas tank would explode. There injuries, deths and lawsuits. So did Ford go ahead and recall the Pinto? No. They had experts calculate the likely number of future lawsuits and costs versus the cost of recall on the car. A "cost-benefit analysis". Turned out it would cost a lot more to recall the car. So instead of recalling the car and saving lives, they chose not to in order to save money.

And you think corporatons with this type of mentality are going to increase wages for workers when the dont have to?

Fukkouttahere.

My goodness...

 

[CashmereThoughts]

You take the elitist tone that someone working at Wal-Mart is lesser than you and thus they should not have the opportunity to support a family whatsoever because they are working a job that many others are capable of working, meanwhile you ignore that the entire middle class was built up in the manufacturing sector with people doing jobs we could all be trained to do.

times have OBVIOUSLY changed it's not that easy any more, "middle class" is something you have to work hard for ESPECIALLY in NYC, We not talking about some Midwestern industrial town.

Nothing elitest about us acknowledging the reality of the situation, you can't survive in NYC off a Walmart, or a mcd salary alone. That's the fukking reality.
You talking about the olden days I'm talking about what it takes for people to survive now.

the minimum wage has not risen according to inflation, so basically you are all tacitly supporting a status quo that takes advantages of the law to depress individuals.

EXACTLY , reality check #37 min wage is not cutting it, the gov is not making sure we are ok. That's what we sayin

You have this magical belief in the market somehow distributing fairness

Fair??? Who said shyt was "fair" ain't no fair nikka.

 

[CashmereThoughts]

Lol the best way for you to piss people off is to talk about helping the unfortunate.

Or saying that there are things they can do to help themselfs

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I didn't say it was easy to do, I said the idea that it's impossible and that people of that skill should inherently be paid nothing close to that is just based on conditioning. Second, I'd be forced to do a state by state and country by count cost calculation of the equivalent of 15 dollars in NYC. Third, I think your United States number is a bit high, but 700,000 is probably a good estimate.

That is from their website. It doesn't breakout how many of those restaurants are in the US though, or how much of that is corporate. So the US franchise work force could be half of that. In any case though, considering your point about COL adjustments, the most expensive place to live in the US is prob 3-4x as costly as the cheapest place to live. Do you really think it is reasonable for McDonalds to pay $25-30 (federal minimum wage times COL adjustment)/hour for a part time job for high schoolers?

But back to the second point. NYC (San Fran might be more but I think NYC still has them) is the most expensive area in the country. They would be paying less than that per worker in literarlly every other part of the country. To keep with my Vegas example that, $15 dollars would convert to 8 dollars an hour there. But without seeing how much they spent on employee salaries in the US alone (combined with the aforementioned information), I would be unable to make that analysis. I don't have those records. The point was simple, pretending that it's not feasible at all is just self-fulfilling prophecy. Refrain from strawmen.

NYC's working class problems are way more complex than just not being paid enough. Just looking at paychecks and COL doesn't address the underlying issues. And your idea is fundamentally flawed. How is flipping a burger in NYC any harder or more valuable to McDonalds than flipping a burger in Nebraska? I am sure there is variation in the prices from location to location, but McDonalds doesn't cost 2-3x more in NYC than it does around the country. W/o a commensurate price adjustment you'd be making the workers in cheap states subsidize the higher COL state workers. Doesn't seem very fair to me.

All for jobs that have been part time, for people w/no skills (high school kids) and were completely temporary. And to completely ignore the underlying reasons WHY these people are asking for more pay (the meteoric rise in COL in places like NYC and SF thanks to govt policies to attract and coddle the rich at the expense of the poor + middle class through real estate). Point blank even if they got what they wanted they would be right back where they started in a few years.

And lol @ us being "corporately conditioned". No dude we just don't agree with you. I believe that's what you would call an ad hominem. If thats a valid argument, I could say you have been conditioned by your political work with the left (which I think is true). Ultimately people formulate their views in part by their experiences, so to act as though you are immune from that to invalidate the views of people you disagree with is ridiculous. And in any case how one comes to a conclusion doesn't matter if they can rationalize it objectively, which you have not been able to (proletariat platitudes are just empty talk to shame people from utilizing reason and math). Yes companies have to treat their workers right but they also have to uphold their duty to their stock holders to remain profitable. The income gap is an issue but it's not the issue holding back the poor and middle class from accumulating wealth and living comfortably. $15 an hour in NYC is still poor full time.... part time??? Forget about it!!!

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

$15.... for what?

You got a shyt job... work 2. Know your place in society. You picked this shyt between age 5-20 while in school K-college

you would think that yo fat ass would appreciate them mafukkas


you stayed on the net begging nikkas to shop on ya lil site and donate money to ya family

how the fukk u think you better than anyone

and u a fukking immigrant too

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

you would think that yo fat ass would appreciate them mafukkas


you stayed on the net begging nikkas to shop on ya lil site and donate money to ya family

how the fukk u think you better than anyone

and u a fukking immigrant too

Whats wrong with being an immigrant

And can someone please explain why a mf in NY should get paid 2x what a mf in Nebraska does to do the same damn job

That kind of locational pay discrepancy doesn't even exist for jobs that are hard to do

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Also people talk about workers not reaping the benefit of productivity.... being that the same skill levels are needed to work at McDonalds today as they were 50 years ago, I'm gonna wager that the increases in productivity came from the technology they use and the logistical improvements to their supply chain. All of which were funded by shareholders and designed/executed by management + executives + consultants. A McDonalds worker today is not more productive because they are so much smarter or more skilled, its still a job that literally anybody could do. You can get a lot more done with a typewriter than a pen and paper, doesn't make you inherently more productive/valuable.

 

[Kalik]

you would think that yo fat ass would appreciate them mafukkas


you stayed on the net begging nikkas to shop on ya lil site and donate money to ya family

how the fukk u think you better than anyone

and u a fukking immigrant too

:blindandcool:

Beggin to shop on my site? It's affiliate marketing breh - look it up, and I never beg. If you want a discount, use it. I do graphics + advertising as my career, why not do a side hustle and get paid.

Donate to my cuzzin didn't benefit me - Thats for her and I was only helping, like these people should help themselves and strive for better.
Immigrant yup, didn't have to be born here to work at McDonalds

Thanks for noticing my weight, didn't realize males was checking out other males on here. If I had a problem with how I look think I'd put my pics up? So doesn't bother me none...
You must have put in plenty hours working around burger grease as a youngin to be so angry..

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

Whats wrong with being an immigrant

And can someone please explain why a mf in NY should get paid 2x what a mf in Nebraska does to do the same damn job

That kind of locational pay discrepancy doesn't even exist for jobs that are hard to do

did i say anything was wrong with being an immigrant
but if you are a fukking immigrant and you call yourself looking down on people who are majority immigrant because they want to be fairly compensated then you are a bytch ass c00n

and did i state that workers in NY should make more?
no
i believe the minimum wage should be at a level to meet the increase of productivity and cost of living nationwide

this why i can't fukk with you siddity ass mafukkas

mafukkas dont even make much, yet want to look down on others because they should be fairly compensated
some of the people are doing the best they can and working what is the top field they can attain

i fukking hate sambos

:blindandcool:

Beggin to shop on my site? It's affiliate marketing breh - look it up, and I never beg. If you want a discount, use it. I do graphic design and advertising as my career, why not do a side hustle and get paid. No I should strike and ask for a raise
Donate to my cuzzin didn't benefit me - Thats for her and I was only helping, like these people should help themselves and strive for better.
Immigrant yup, didn't have to be born here to work at McDonalds
Thanks for noticing my weight, didn't realize males was checking out other males on here. If I had a problem with how I look think I'd put my pics up? So doesn't bother me none...


You must have put in plenty hours working around burger grease as a youngin to be so angry..

i make alot more than you
but i dont look down on you

although i do hate fatass lazy ass c00ns

begging nikkas online for money

and i actually tried to send money too


fukking sambo ass fat c00n

and no i never worked in any food service industry

 

[No1]

I'm not sure what the argument is here. This is capitalism at work. All this "should pay them more" kind of talk is bascally inappropriate when talking about capitalism.

Can the fast food corporations pay their workers more? Of course they can.

Will they? Of course not. Not until they are forced to.

This is corporate America people. Corporation have one goal. To make as much money as possible. Thats the bottom line. And decreasing your expenses, like workers salaries, is a good way to increase profits. They are not concerned with the fact that their workers struggle to pay their bills.

This is not slave-mentality thinking. This is capitalism. Welcome to America!

In a way we all do it. If you need your grass cut, and one guy will do it for $50, another for $25, and another for $5, and they all do about the same quality of work, who here is not employing the $5 guy, even if you can afford the $50 guy?

Many years ago, one of Americas most beloved corporations, Ford, had a little problem with their Pinto model. Seem there was a design flaw, where if the car was rear-ended, it was a good chance the gas tank would explode. There injuries, deths and lawsuits. So did Ford go ahead and recall the Pinto? No. They had experts calculate the likely number of future lawsuits and costs versus the cost of recall on the car. A "cost-benefit analysis". Turned out it would cost a lot more to recall the car. So instead of recalling the car and saving lives, they chose not to in order to save money.

And you think corporatons with this type of mentality are going to increase wages for workers when the dont have to?

Fukkouttahere.

You really thought you were smart with this post huh, notice how you, @Born2BKing, @MegaTronBomb! @nikkaz In Paris, @CashmereThoughts and every other person in this thread is running their month talking and don't realize that you sound like smart dumb nikkas. I just broke down literally two posts ago (right here) the flaw with all of y'all's thinking and none of you ran up to dispel it. You guys really think this sophomoric understanding of the world is what it's supposed to be. What's so dumb is that you're sitting here defending the way capitalism is working in the US right now as if it's an inherent quality of capitalism as opposed to the type of capitalism the United States has chosen. Yet, all across the world there are places where other brands of capitalism do not work this way.

Please smarten up and read my posts from two posts back and then do me the favor of rebutting me. I could have gone much deeper than that, but tried to keep it basic on a labor and wage level. All you guys are sitting here spouting about "capitalism" this and that and you just sound ridiculous. I literally feel like I should get @Broke Wave and conduct a class.

 

[Kalik]

i make alot more than you
but i dont look down on you

look down on me? Make more than me?

although i do hate fatass lazy ass c00ns
begging nikkas online for money
and i actually tried to send money too
fukking sambo ass fat c00n
and no i never worked in any food service industry

You funny... Im here and you all aggy on the nets....

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

look down on me? Make more than me?




You funny... Im here and you all aggy on the nets....

yeah i do

and i always made it known about my hate for lazy ass fat people

you a c00n of the worst kind

 

[Tom Foolery]

Can you point out where in my post I said that you said they were evil?

You quoted me homie.