Fat Joe getting drug for saying Latinos created hip hop

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

They were involved with the early stages and definitely contributed......but CONTRIBUTED and CREATED....are two very different things.

Everything in hip-hop comes from ragtime, blues, jazz, gospel, rock N roll, funk, soul etc., and we created all of that shyt. Hell we put our stamp on country...since that's just basically a combo of West African rhythms and beats merged with Scottish/Irish folk music (which is pretty much what most of Southern culture is - West African + Scottish/Irish)

 

[ViShawn]

 

[Secure Da Bag]

@Bunchy Carter if it's not true, drop the science.

 

[Bunchy Carter]

 

[Bunchy Carter]

James Brown Is Apparently The Most Sampled Artist of All Time​

ByDharmic X
Dharmic X writes for Complex Music
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Feb 09, 2014

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According to WhoSampled, James Brown is the most sampled artist of all time. The website has used its extensive database of music to research the most sampled and covered artists and songs of all time.

The "Godfather of Soul" has been sampled over 3000 times, more than twice the amount as Public Enemy, which ranked number two in the list.

While Brown does not top the list of most sampled songs, he is the only artist to have two songs on the list. Both "Funky President" and "Funky Drummer" have been sampled a combined 1,181 times. The most sampled song of all time is Beside's "Change The Beat," which has been sampled 1,267 times.

James Brown Is Apparently The Most Sampled Artist of All ...

James Brown, known as the Godfather of Soul, is the most ...

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[Bunchy Carter]

 

[Bunchy Carter]

 

[Bunchy Carter]

 

[TripleAgent]

The cultural landscape in the 70s to my knowledge and understanding that made the 5 principles of hiphop were practiced by both black and brown,a lot of the bands that are now revered for the breaks that would become hip hop staples were made by both black and brown people. Some of the earliest practitioners of the 5 pilars were brown. I wholeheartedly disagree with the 50,% statement but to say the Latin contributions were non existent would be countered by the people that were there and i heard this come out of their own mouths. Hip hop is the culture of the downtrodden and forgotten,in 70s NY that encompassed more than just black people in the Bronx and the other boroughs,this is worldwide mandatory knowledge for anyone that says they are apart of the culture, regardless of where you come from.

WRONG. Ricans came later in all elements. All created by FBA people.

Kool here is a Jamaican though, he help start hiphop.

WRONG

DJ Kool Herc created Hip Hip and Grand Wizard Theodore created scratching with Turntables. Latinos just contributed in the Break dancing element of hip hop. I think the first person to start breaking was Latino. Graffiti was first done by a black man from Philly named “cornbread”

/Thread

WRONG

Herc was the first one who started juggling break beats on the tables for the bboys and bgirls. His boy coke la rock was the first to get on the mic to give shout outs and improvise chants during those extended breaks to get the party hype which evolved into MCing. If it wasn’t for Herc juggling breaks, there’s no way someone would get on the mic while James Brown is singing.

He may have not invented all 4 elements of hip hop but he was the source that started the 3 elements to branch out. Beat juggling (DJ), break dancing (juggling those 30 seconds of funk break down) and MCing.

WRONG

Herc didn’t create neat juggling either. Do you in even know what beat juggling is? Herc let the beat break play over and over again (aka The Merry Go Round), THATS not beat juggling. The point is, he didn’t create hip hop. And people still was rapping over beats before he started letting the breaks play over and over. Herc is definitely one of the founding Fathers, but don’t give him more than he deserves over others.

He didn't invent that either. He would play the whole record, then stop and play another. He used one turntable until 75. He was late to that, too.

 

[KingDanz]

 

[Ish Gibor]

Everybody wanna claim hip hop

You will not beleive the stories and claims I have heard ever since the late 80s. Germans have claimed it. But other Germans denounced that. It was in a documentary. I once heard East Indians claim it as well.

But this one is the most ridiculous.

By Simon Johnson, 28 December 2008 • 3:03pm:

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Rap music originated in the medieval taverns of Scotland rather than the mean streets of the Bronx and Brooklyn, an American academic has claimed.

Professor Ferenc Szasz argued that so-called rap battles, where two or more performers trade elaborate insults, derive from the ancient Caledonian art of "flyting".

According to the theory, Scottish slave owners took the tradition with them to the United States, where it was adopted and developed by slaves, emerging many years later as rap.

Professor Szasz is convinced there is a clear link between this tradition for settling scores in Scotland and rap battles, which were famously portrayed in Eminem's 2002 movie 8 Mile.

He said: "The Scots have a lengthy tradition of flyting - intense verbal jousting, often laced with vulgarity, that is similar to the dozens that one finds among contemporary inner-city African-American youth.

"Both cultures accord high marks to satire. The skilled use of satire takes this verbal jousting to its ultimate level - one step short of a fist fight."

The academic, who specialises in American and Scottish culture at the University of New Mexico, made the link in a new study examining the historical context of Robert Burn's work.

The most famous surviving example of flyting comes from a 16th-century piece in which two rival poets hurl increasingly obscene rhyming insults at one another before the Court of King James IV.

Titled the Flyting Of Dunbar And Kennedy, it has been described by academics as "just over 500 lines of filth".

Professor Szasz cites an American civil war poem, printed in the New York Vanity Fair magazine on November 9, 1861, as the first recorded example of the battles being used in the United States.

Professor Willie Ruff, of Yale University, agreed that Scottish slave owners had a profound impact on the development of African American music traditions.

Comparing flyting and rap battles, he said: "Two people engage in ritual verbal duelling and the winner has the last word in the argument, with the loser falling conspicuously silent."

 

[frush11]

Why say Latinos, when it was just Puerto Ricans. Wasn't no other Latinos.

 

[Ish Gibor]

Aframs and Puerto Ricans were heavy in hip-hop. Aframs created it. Caribbeans were also the face of it. Puerto Ricans helped pioneer it.

It wasn't like they all just showed up in 2000. They been around in the game since the early 80s if not late 70s.

But when you say Latinos as a whole..... nah, that's bullshyt.

Some PR were early on, from the mid-70 present. Butwhere it the 50/50 as Joe claims? Who was these pioneers? A Pioneer is a founder.

"a person or group that originates"

Definition of PIONEER

a member of a military unit usually of construction engineers; a person or group that originates or helps open up a new line of thought or activity or a new method or technical development; one of the first to settle in a territory… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

We already went over the names, places, flyers, tickets… we know who was who and where, as the pioneers.

Just Ice - Going Way Back





[Intro: Just Ice and KRS One]
To the best of my knowledge I guess that I'm fresh
And when I manifest I never protest
(Hold it, hold it. What's going on, Just?)
Yo KRS, what's the, what's the, what's the purpose of you stopping me?
(Yo man kick the rhymes you was just kicking to me a while ago)
Aight

[Verse 1: Just Ice]
I'll wax and maim, rappers who proclaim
To be the epitome of this game
Fronting like you hard, rugged and rough
Soft like butter, creamy like a puff
On the mic no sense, head very dense
Just listen to the gangster and I will convince
All that doubt my power of speech
The title of the gangster they tried to impeach
But um, it is protected by the black and the red
It's not true all gangsters are dead
Not a gangster with a gun, doing crime none of that
Kill a MC with the rhyme cause I'm the gangster of rap
In fact, exact, I'm the dominant black
Coming full force on, and power that's packed
For all the party people this is a fact
For all the pioneers I'm going way back

[Bridge: KRS One]
Goddamn, that is funky funky funky fresh (Dope! Dope!)
If you could just keep kicking that, we'll be alright til '88
Dig it (Dope! Dope!)

[Verse 2: Just Ice]
Going way way back to the early days
Of 75 and the Black Spades
Chilling with my homeboy Muscle Man Ron
In the Boogie Down Bronx BKA Pelan
It was a privilege for people to see
Bambaataa rocking hard at 123
On a Friday night the boys would come running
To hear big beats that were shocking and stunning
In the Hill, not a thing was chill
Sound Masters on the loose and acting ill
Up top, every weekend rock
Either 131 or around that block
But anywhere Uptown, you always heard the sound
Hip Hop, funky beats, MCs getting down
The truth I swear, admit and declare
The Bronx was the first, I know, I was there
The beats were dope, the sound was on
By the way saying Peace to my brother Melquan
Dedications have a little bit more
The L Brothers, Grand Wizard Theodore
I can't forget where we used to ill
With the young Sound Masters in Castle Hill
I can keep going on, for more and more
With Breakout, and Baron, and the Funky 4
On the other side of town, the mics in their hands
The lecherous, treacherous also perpetuous MCs cold in command
And if you listen to that for an actual fact
For all the pioneers I'm going way back

[Bridge: KRS One]
Word! Now you know I know
This is KRS with Just Ice (Dope! Dope!)
Ha ha. Talk about dope beats (Dope!)
Yo Just, kick me one more verse, please!

[Verse 3: Just Ice]
Let's rest, so I can take a breath
Cause I'm bearing the truth and nothing less
No disrepect intended but I have to show ya
If I didn't say your name that means I did not know ya
To get to the point, to make it clear
If I don't say your name that means you was not there
It's true, I'm from the old school
I'm the professor and they are my pupils
I teach and never preach
Not a bloodsucker, parasite or a leech
I'm telling you how, it was or is
The Bronx is the home for the Hip Hop kids
A long time ago when I was raising hell
With the nappy head of hair at the age of 12
I saw and heard, crews that rocked
The Cold Crushers, Monsters, Breakout, Sasquatch
You're not familiar with the funky sound
That proves it right there, you wasn't down
Had to earn a position, and do hard work
You can ask Kool Herc or my man Red Alert
He'll tell ya, because he knows for sure
About Flash, EZ Mike, and the Furious Four
I'll run off some names, with no offence
Listen up real close, as I commence
Coke La Rock, Clark Kent, my man Cool Fish
Homeboy Tre Dee and Frisky Frisk
Wonderful sincere, in the atmosphere
Almighty Kay Gee at Union Square
Dr. Kik rock on, and my man Shelt La Rocker
B.I., KRS, C Rasta
Definitely we would rock
And I can't forget my homeboy Big Knot
It's the truth and for an actual fact
For all the pioneers I'm going way back

[Outro: KRS One and Just Ice]
Well I think that's about as far back as we can go
(Saying peace to my man T La Rock!)
Word! Saying peace to my brother Scott La Rock, he's in here!
(Scott La Rock rock on!)
Word
(DMX peace!)
Peace!
(Peace!)

 

[Ish Gibor]

Why say Latinos, when it was just Puerto Ricans. Wasn't no other Latinos.

True, they use the umbrella term as if people from Argentine, Guatemala etc. was in NY, BX.

These PR's in Hip Hop's early days was predominantly Afro-PR's, like Joe Conzo, Crazy Legs.

Joe Conzo Jr. 'Born in the Bronx' | Bronx Documentary Center

Joe Conzo Jr.—the man 'The New York Times' called “the chronicler who took Hip-Hop's baby pictures”.

www.bronxdoc.org

Cornell University Hip Hop Collection

Cornell University Library's Hip Hop Collection - The Archive of Joe Conzo, Jr.

rmc.library.cornell.edu

Collection: Joe Conzo Jr. Archive - Cornell University Library Digital Collections Search Results

Digitized content from the collections of Cornell University Library

digital.library.cornell.edu

 

[Da King]

That's cause y'all been giving him the n word pass for years
Roy should've knocked his ass out

Thank you, letting mexicacs say the n word was the worst mistake