FBA breh debates Franck Zanu who said FBA are lost and have no culture. Good debate.

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This Frank Zanu dipshyt gets on my nerves. He thinks he's the master of African social dynamics and what goes on. Apparently he's doing the same with fbas. Fukk him
But I'll give this a listen
He was promoting something akin to ubermensch and called it industrialization. When I heard him say that shyt blew my mind and nobody called it out. I’m gonna see if I can find a video but this is a person We should deplatform.
 

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The same old argument warmed up every year or so, but sadly never leads to real change. I personally didn’t watch because I’m tired of FBA trying to defend themselves against everyone for dignity. It reminds me when I was young and a got a tattoo. Maybe this is was 2001/2002 and my parents literally flipping out like “yooooo you’ll never have a good job” “you’re soiled… etc” just old rhetoric that maybe YOU followed but it had no barring on my life (and yes I make more than they ever had per year- no overtime, but that is besides the point). The point is, why debate when it won’t land. People want to feel superior to others and this is just one of many examples why self pride/self love trumps all.

Also, why do Africans (not all but most) think they’re the authority of blackness? Get your whole continent together before you even think you can have a debate with FBA and that is just facts

Very good post until it got to the “most” Africans part. Breh, most of Africa doesn’t even speak English nor is informed in these conversations.

Dudes come into contact with uppity bourgeoise Nigerians that were able to migrate and start talking about “most” Africans, which ironically is the same type rhetoric the ignorant Nigerians they come into contact with have regarding black americans

Ultimately these threads are just rage-baiting routines

For clarification - I used Nigeria as an example because of its hyper-visibility
 
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We really need to stop being kind to foreigners like him. These losers come from third world shyt holes where human life isn't valued and come here with that arrogant persona because we roll out the red carpet for them.

Ask these bums why their home countries are genocide/rape factories and why they can't build anything with all those natural resources and apparently you're xenophobic.
You didn’t even watch the video he says exactly why and it devolves into some fukking c00nery
 

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He's not exposed enough to what Africans world wide have developed, and has an old school view of certain things but the way he thinks is still invaluable.

You have to factor in that he doesnt think industrialization is an indication of intelligence or higher thinking as much as it's a need in the moment. He thinks it shouldn't matter especially if you live in a "paradise"

I get his concept of no culture, based on his logic, most colonial countries dont have culture unless there's a common world view. I get it, even though it's half the picture really. At least he presented logic you could follow even if you disagree or see where hes uninformed. I respect him for admitting every time when he was uninformed.
See but you said yourself a lot of his points of contradictory, especially if you don’t study African history or black history in any capacity they completely flip upside down when he says
 

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See but you said yourself a lot of his points of contradictory, especially if you don’t study African history or black history in any capacity they completely flip upside down when he says

Frank fits the description of a negropean.
 

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See but you said yourself a lot of his points of contradictory, especially if you don’t study African history or black history in any capacity they completely flip upside down when he says

If you watched the video, he says that he does not know alot of these things. He's more pragmatic in regards to what he sees in the present. I get his logic, even though I dont agree. He's very candid and respectful guy who admits when he doesn't knwo something, unlike posters on this board.

You can not watch what he says in a 6 second video as so much context is lost like that. You need the whole 2 plus hours.
 

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I'll give it a full listen. Can't stand these African & Caribbean coọns that shıt on FBA existence. They wanna be white so bad and every stereotype they have of us is actually of white people.

White people are lazy and have no culture. If it wasn't for my ancestors, they wouldn't be allowed the privilege in this country.

But in all honesty, we shouldn't be beefing with each other - but here we are.
 

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this video is way out of context.

he says culture is a world view. he says even black people in other countries dont have a culture because they were forced together in colonial boundaries among other groups with different world views.

watch the WHOLE video

the WHOLE video

the WHOLE video
 

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The topic of the thread. Do black Americans not have a culture and are they lost.

culture: yes have culture. but everyone (more or less) on planet earth already knows all american cultures (due to commercial capitalism) so the culture is largely transparent to outsiders. in other words, the culture has been already exported to the rest of the world, with a commercial bent, and so has been introduced to many as commercialism rather than organic culture. this leads to the confusion. everyone has culture of a sort. if you mean high-minded deep-rooted culture like in europe or africa, then america does not have very much of that. at least i cannot think of ay examples.

lost: yes in some ways but not exactly for the reasons he suggests. but he is on the right path to challenge many of the assumed totems. american culture writ. large is notoriously insular, lacks introspection and is irrational which leads to a surfeit of myths. that is what happens when your economic and educational peers are (at best) thousands of miles away.

post your insights bredrin.

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Very good post until it got to the “most” Africans part. Breh, most of Africa doesn’t even speak English nor is informed in these conversations.

Dudes come into contact with uppity bourgeoise Nigerians that were able to migrate and start talking about “most” Africans, which ironically is the same type rhetoric the ignorant Nigerians they come into contact with have regarding black americans

Ultimately these threads are just rage-baiting routines

For clarification - I used Nigeria as an example because of its hyper-visibility
:mjlol:and that shyt really be killing me too, damn near 50-60% of African is purely latin speaking (french and portuguese) most these brehs are just running into Nigerians, South Africans, and a few Horners. Rest of these ppl speak French & won't even talk to you the minute they hear english
 

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I'll give it a full listen. Can't stand these African & Caribbean coọns that shıt on FBA existence.

does anyone actually do that though? what does he say to "shyt on you"? setting matters straight, unpleasant as that might be, is a service.

They wanna be white so bad and every stereotype they have of us is actually of white people.

he goes a bit far with his implicit praise of gringos sometimes, from what i have seen of his videos. and he makes some charged statements for effect, i think. white praise is a sickness throughout the black diaspora - colorism, hairism. etc.

White people are lazy and have no culture. If it wasn't for my ancestors, they wouldn't be allowed the privilege in this country.

yeah that is not true popoff.

asylum for example is nothing to do with civil rights. it is part of the move post WWII due to what happened in germany. western society moving leftwards since the 17th century is due french philosophical thought which influenced those who wrote the US constitution, who fought to end slavery and who fought for US civil rights. universal civil rights as a concept in western thought came from the enlightenment, in particularly in france, just before they butchered their rich and privileged, in the french revolution.

from chatgpt:

French philosophical thought, particularly from the Enlightenment, heavily influenced the foundational principles of American democracy and, later, the strategies and rhetoric of the Civil Rights Movement.

The Enlightenment and American Founding Principles
The ideas of 18th-century French philosophes were absorbed by American leaders like Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin and woven into the fabric of the U.S. government.
Key influences include:
  • Separation of Powers: Baron de Montesquieu's theories on dividing government into legislative, executive, and judicial branches were crucial to the development of the U.S. Constitution's system of checks and balances.
  • Natural Rights and Social Contract: Thinkers like Jean-Jacques Rousseau and John Locke (an English philosopher who influenced the French thinkers) explored concepts of natural law, individual liberty, and the social contract. These ideas are reflected in the Declaration of Independence's assertion of the rights to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".
  • Freedom of Expression and Religion: Montesquieu also advocated for religious toleration and a free press, principles enshrined in the First Amendment.
  • Déclaration des droits de l'homme et du citoyen: The French Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen (1789) echoed the American Declaration and further promoted ideals of universal liberty and equality that would inspire movements globally.

French Thought and the Civil Rights Movement
In the 20th century, later French philosophical movements provided new frameworks for American activists fighting for civil rights, particularly during the 1960s.
  • Existentialism: French existentialist philosophers like Jean-Paul Sartre were influential in challenging existing power dynamics and paternalistic relationships.
  • Self-Creation and Freedom: Activists, including those in the Black Civil Rights Movement and Second Wave Feminism (like Betty Friedan), used existentialist concepts of self-creation and freedom to argue for the right of marginalized groups to define themselves and break from the past.
  • Challenging "Paternalism": Figures like Stokely Carmichael used the writings of Sartre to justify Black separatism and the need for Black people to be seen in positions of power, free from white paternalism.
In essence, while Enlightenment philosophy laid the groundwork for American ideals of government and rights, later French thought provided intellectual tools for challenging the systemic failures to live up to those ideals during the Civil Rights era.

even temp visas and permanent immigration (as a recent phenomenon) increased due to technology (age of mass air travel, computers) and shifts in global norms (passports, tourism, intertwined economies).

same like in south africa visiting brehs were not subject to apartheid. there were free blacks in the US who were not subject to slavery as was the case for non US visiting blacks. if slavery had not been abolished they would still have been free visitors.

But in all honesty, we shouldn't be beefing with each other - but here we are.

that's true. but sometimes a breh has to set some people straight.
 
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