FBA breh debates Franck Zanu who said FBA are lost and have no culture. Good debate.

[kingofnyc]

i’ll be very interested in hearing all these Pan African thoughts and feelings with this interview

 

[null]

this video is way out of context.

he says culture is a world view. he says even black people in other countries dont have a culture because they were forced together in colonial boundaries among other groups with different world views.

watch the WHOLE video

the WHOLE video

the WHOLE video

"when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail"

anderson in the video thinks that akon and burna boy (types) are what? archetypes of africans?

the world is not run by entertainers. nigeria and senegal are run by lawyers, doctors, engineers, technologists, politicians .. who if anything, copy their ex-colonial masters in their organization and legal structures, with gringo america also heavily influencing commerce.

 

[EBK String]

Call ICE on this nikka.

 

[null]

I wish they had an actual intellectual to combat this fool. His definition of "culture" and his declaration that we have no "culture" contradiction each other.

I genuinely believe that when people claim we have no "culture", they mean we have no culture outside of America culture. And why the fukk would we....we're American, for better or worse. To say we have no culture is an attack on American culture....we catching strays because foreigners hate the American hegemony.

it means that your culture has already been integrated into their culture through commerce. as cultural traditionalists believe that culture is not commerce some reject it as being inorganic or not "real culture".

maybe the only part of american culture which is not already exported "everywhere" is the southern texan thing. the rest can be found almost everywhere on earth already.

i saw the effect in germany. they never used to really do valentines day. UK/US commerce put an end to that. now when germans travel they don't see valentines as an anglo celebration, because they already have it at home. repeat process ad-infinitum.

 

[Peter Popoff]

does anyone actually do that though? what does he say to "shyt on you"? setting matters straight, unpleasant as that might be, is a service.



he goes a bit far with his implicit praise of gringos sometimes, from what i have seen of his videos. and he makes some charged statements for effect, i think. white praise is a sickness throughout the black diaspora - colorism, hairism. etc.



yeah that is not true popoff.

asylum for example is nothing to do with civil rights. it is part of the move post WWII due to what happened in germany. western society moving leftwards since the 17th century is due french philosophical thought which influenced those who wrote the US constitution, who fought to end slavery and who fought for US civil rights. universal civil rights as a concept in western thought came from the enlightenment, in particularly in france, just before they butchered their rich and privileged, in the french revolution.

from chatgpt:

Spoiler: ...

French philosophical thought, particularly from the Enlightenment, heavily influenced the foundational principles of American democracy and, later, the strategies and rhetoric of the Civil Rights Movement.

The Enlightenment and American Founding Principles
The ideas of 18th-century French philosophes were absorbed by American leaders like Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin and woven into the fabric of the U.S. government.
Key influences include:

• Separation of Powers: Baron de Montesquieu's theories on dividing government into legislative, executive, and judicial branches were crucial to the development of the U.S. Constitution's system of checks and balances.
• Natural Rights and Social Contract: Thinkers like Jean-Jacques Rousseau and John Locke (an English philosopher who influenced the French thinkers) explored concepts of natural law, individual liberty, and the social contract. These ideas are reflected in the Declaration of Independence's assertion of the rights to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".
• Freedom of Expression and Religion: Montesquieu also advocated for religious toleration and a free press, principles enshrined in the First Amendment.
• Déclaration des droits de l'homme et du citoyen: The French Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen (1789) echoed the American Declaration and further promoted ideals of universal liberty and equality that would inspire movements globally.

French Thought and the Civil Rights Movement
In the 20th century, later French philosophical movements provided new frameworks for American activists fighting for civil rights, particularly during the 1960s.

• Existentialism: French existentialist philosophers like Jean-Paul Sartre were influential in challenging existing power dynamics and paternalistic relationships.
• Self-Creation and Freedom: Activists, including those in the Black Civil Rights Movement and Second Wave Feminism (like Betty Friedan), used existentialist concepts of self-creation and freedom to argue for the right of marginalized groups to define themselves and break from the past.
• Challenging "Paternalism": Figures like Stokely Carmichael used the writings of Sartre to justify Black separatism and the need for Black people to be seen in positions of power, free from white paternalism.

In essence, while Enlightenment philosophy laid the groundwork for American ideals of government and rights, later French thought provided intellectual tools for challenging the systemic failures to live up to those ideals during the Civil Rights era.

even temp visas and permanent immigration (as a recent phenomenon) increased due to technology (age of mass air travel, computers) and shifts in global norms (passports, tourism, intertwined economies).

same like in south africa visiting brehs were not subject to apartheid. there were free blacks in the US who were not subject to slavery as was the case for non US visiting blacks. if slavery had not been abolished they would still have been free visitors.



that's true. but sometimes a breh has to set some people straight.

No, no, no.

If y'all feel like FBAs are trash people with no culture, that's your opinion. I won't go there with you like i would never debate with a Charlie Kirk or Candace Owen.

We'll agree to disagree.

 

[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

Franck Zanu is clearly an Opp.

Most of his talking points and positions are nonsensical. He believes that Afram/ADOS/FBA don't have a culture (which is BS, plus he also said that other NWBs* don't have a culture) but he literally made up a definition of culture and ignores the one definition of culture that is universally agreed upon.
The only point of Franck Zanu I agree with is that Africans, Africa and the diaspora will never unite. Not because of Franck's flimsy, self-hating reasons but because Africa is a massive continent with diverse biomes, over 2000 languages, ethnic groups and cultures. Plus, we NWB ethnic groups have our own distinct cultures.

Yet, as much as I don't like Franck Zanu, I don't like some of the retorts in the comments section. Many commentators are implying that Franck speaks for all Africans. No, he doesn't. Franck speaks for himself. He is one man from Benin among ~1.4 billion Africans. It's foolish to think that Franck represents Africa and Africans. He barely represents Benin.

*NWB = New World Blacks: Ethnic groups of predominantly West and Central African genetic lineage who descend from the Transatlantic Slave Trade.

 

[null]

Nope. If y'all feel like FBAs are trash people with no culture, that's your opinion. I won't go there with you like i would never debate with a Charlie Kirk or Candace Owen.

nope that is not what i said.

We'll agree to disagree.

 

[Peter Popoff]

nope that is not what i said.

And @Sccit doesn't claim to be a genocide or zionist supporter.

It's all love here. Some discussions don't need to be talked about.

 

[JackRoss]

He doesn't care about African. He's trying to get on cac America's good side. Its common off the boat immigrant take. It's best to treat them as what they really are, the mentally ill.

I've seen off the boat polish and italians act the same way to poor cacs in my area. It's bizarre but not worth paying attention to.

So you're telling me African and Pan-Africans have a host our issues to deal with? Can you explain Pan-Africans ignored the majority sitting on an Abundance of reasons. High key I'm not nice like the people that let you speak. I'll kill you bytch. Fix home. I dare you

 

[null]

And @Sccit doesn't claim to be a genocide or zionist supporter.

comparing me to @Sccit

TL;DR

It's all love here. Some discussions don't need to be talked about.

 

[Peter Popoff]

Franck Zanu is clearly an Opp.

Most of his talking points and positions are nonsensical. He believes that Afram/ADOS/FBA don't have a culture (which is BS, plus he also said that other NWBs* don't have a culture) but he literally made up a definition of culture and ignores the one definition of culture that is universally agreed upon.
The only point of Franck Zanu I agree with is that Africans, Africa and the diaspora will never unite. Not because of Franck's flimsy, self-hating reasons but because Africa is a massive continent with diverse biomes, over 2000 languages, ethnic groups and cultures. Plus, we NWB ethnic groups have our own distinct cultures.

Yet, as much as I don't like Franck Zanu, I don't like some of the retorts in the comments section. Many commentators are implying that Franck speaks for all Africans. No, he doesn't. Franck speaks for himself. He is one man from Benin among ~1.4 billion Africans. It's foolish to think that Franck represents Africa and Africans. He barely represents Benin.

*NWB = New World Blacks: Ethnic groups of predominantly West and Central African genetic lineage who descend from the Transatlantic Slave Trade.

He has a misconstrued definition of culture from what I've listened to so far.

Stating that Black Americans have no language is like stating that Americans have no language since they speak English (UK).

That makes absolutely no sense.

Then breaking down food, music, societal differences - that is technically part of culture.

Here's my stance on why I disengage think pieces like this:



When you aide in dehumanizing my ancestors and my people whether aggressively or micro-aggressively, we no longer have a discussion but an argument.

 

[Wiseborn]

No, no, no.

If y'all feel like FBAs are trash people with no culture, that's your opinion. I won't go there with you like i would never debate with a Charlie Kirk or Candace Owen.

We'll agree to disagree.

clearly I didn´t watch but what is the point of this?

You´re trying to explain James Brown to some random?

That´s like him trying to explain Fela Kuti to you?


It just sounds like the African dude doesn´t like Black Americans and that´s ok what´s not ok is trying to explain your humanity to anyone.

 

[null]

You´re trying to explain James Brown to some random?

hmmm

That´s like him trying to explain Fela Kuti to you?

hmmm

It just sounds like the African dude doesn´t like Black Americans

hmmm

 

[Peter Popoff]

clearly I didn´t watch but what is the point of this?

You´re trying to explain James Brown to some random?

That´s like him trying to explain Fela Kuti to you?


It just sounds like the African dude doesn´t like Black Americans and that´s ok what´s not ok is trying to explain your humanity to anyone.

Essentially in the first couple of mins, he was shıtting on black Americans and then in the mini clip, he was talking over dude and trying to berate him.

I'm listening to the rest of it but he sounds insufferable and degrading plus he's talking at him not to him. It's disrespectful.

I don't speak that language.

 

[Bunchy Carter]

i’ll be very interested in hearing all these Pan African thoughts and feelings with this interview

@#1 pick #1