Feminists on the coli

[mcdivit85]

Stats please. Y'all gon' learn to stop stating shyt as fact without providing links, stats, and charts. I can make up some bullshyt too and state it with confidence. Don't make it true. Until you have some real demographic data backing up your claims about black feminists. I call bullshyt. Hell, are there ANY studies on the black feminist demographic? We haven't even come to a consensus in this thread on what a black feminist is. I've seen wildly different interpretations. How the hell can you generalize about a group that isn't even clearly defined. GTFO

Well, you know there's no stats to prove black feminist demographic. Like there is no stat to truly confirm white supremacists. However, both would be confirmed via beliefs, principles and mores held by a particular person and/ or group.

Now, if you would like an example of black feminism in the public sphere, I can direct you to a site such as http://www.clutchmagonline.com/ as an example. This is a site that continually posts articles by suspected black feminists who use rhetoric generally associated with black feminism and it's seeming waspish attitude towards black men and the black male plight. Are there examples of black female writers on Clutch who seem to have no ill will towards black men or even have a level of appreciation for black men, yes.

However, the over-arching perception of the site, from unrelated black men, is one of apathy and backhandedness toward black men as racial counterparts.

I won't ask you for receipts to prove that black feminism is generally welcoming and supportive of black men. Because that would be redundant and an exercise in futility.

Peace

 

[Mountain]

Did the report specify into which industries the males and females that were the focus of the study entered? That makes a difference, certainly.

@NobodyReally

 

[NobodyReally]

@NobodyReally

Yes, it's well known that men are more likely to be in higher paying technical fields, and dominate in STEM fields as well. That's definitely a factor, but so is the fact that field where women tend to be are devalued and associated with lower pay.

 

[NobodyReally]

Well, you know there's no stats to prove black feminist demographic. Like there is no stat to truly confirm white supremacists. However, both would be confirmed via beliefs, principles and mores held by a particular person and/ or group.

Now, if you would like an example of black feminism in the public sphere, I can direct you to a site such as http://www.clutchmagonline.com/ as an example. This is a site that continually posts articles by suspected black feminists who use rhetoric generally associated with black feminism and it's seeming waspish attitude towards black men and the black male plight. Are there examples of black female writers on Clutch who seem to have no ill will towards black men or even have a level of appreciation for black men, yes.

However, the over-arching perception of the site, from unrelated black men, is one of apathy and backhandedness toward black men as racial counterparts.

I won't ask you for receipts to prove that black feminism is generally welcoming and supportive of black men. Because that would be redundant and an exercise in futility.

Peace

Hun, if you're not going to use stats, then I can only trust what I know. What I know is that I'm a black feminist married to a black man that I love very much. I know that I love my father, who was very instrumental in my development as a strong minded individual, and my brother, who is my rock. I know that some of my most significant role models are black men - my dissertation chair, my pastor, my 8th grade teacher who told me I can do anything. None of that negates my views on black feminism. For every example of a black man hating black feminist you provide, I can show you one who loves black men.

That's why generalizations without data don't work in discussions like this. People pick the very best and very worst examples to support their arguments, but in the end, we know very little about this group of women to assign their views to an agenda designed to destroy black men.

 

[Wild self]

There are a lot of men that will sell their soul for p*ssy. Some of them are hypocrites in terms of listening to feminists but still listening to artists that degrade women regularly.

fukk is a male feminist?

A dude that will say anything for p*ssy.

 

[Busted_Toes]

It is damn-near IMPOSSIBLE to quantify this but it does not mean that it isn't true. All one needs to do is examine social behavior, particularly that of the black feminist movement in the black community.

When you consider: 1. the women who call themselves black feminists, 2. the history/development of the black feminist movement, 3. the black feminists' collective behavior (professional, social, dating, otherwise),
4. the strides (or lack thereof) black feminists as a collective have made to improve the black community, 5. the movement's failure to attack the racist elements of dominant society, and 6. the lack of even ONE uniform definition of black feminism, all one can conclude is that black feminists wish to acquiesce to dominant society while enjoying the perks of their white female counterparts.

The movement is ALL talk and NO ACTION.

Furthermore, how the hell can anybody respect a group that isn't even clearly defined?

 

[William F. Russell]

Yes, it's well known that men are more likely to be in higher paying technical fields, and dominate in STEM fields as well. That's definitely a factor, but so is the fact that field where women tend to be are devalued and associated with lower pay.

Where are those stats?

Women in STEM and higher-paying technical fields are generally paid the same as men who have the same skills/experience.

 

[NobodyReally]

Where are those stats?

Women in STEM and higher-paying technical fields are generally paid the same as men who have the same skills/experience.

Yes, once they get into those fields. I'm talking about women not being in high paying fields and the fields where women are in are generally devalued and underpaid, i.e. like all of the male nurse jokes.

 

[William F. Russell]

Yes, once they get into those fields. I'm talking about women not being in high paying fields and the fields where women are in are generally devalued and underpaid, i.e. like all of the male nurse jokes.

Which fields are those?

 

[NobodyReally]

Which fields are those?

Education
Childcare
Healthcare- lower levels though

 

[William F. Russell]

Education
Childcare
Healthcare- lower levels though

Stats?

 

[Malikthegod]

Who's at fault for women being underpaid though? Black women AND black males are both underpaid in comparison to whites, so if we both have the same issue what purpose does tackling that issue from a females perspective as opposed to a unified black perspective solve?

 

[Poitier]

Who's at fault for women being underpaid though? Black women AND black males are both underpaid in comparison to whites, so if we both have the same issue what purpose does tackling that issue from a females perspective as opposed to a unified black perspective solve?

You can't use commonsense with birds.

 

[NobodyReally]

Stats?

http://www.nwlc.org/underpaid-overloaded-women-low-wage-jobs-executive-summary

Women’s concentration in low-wage jobs has increased in recent years—and the trend is likely to continue. More than one-third (35 percent) of women’s net job gains during the recovery from the Great Recession have been in jobs that typically pay $10.10 per hour or less; only 20 percent of men’s job gains have been in such low-wage jobs. The share of women workers who hold low-wage jobs increased by more than six percent between 2007, the year before the recession, and 2012, despite women’s continued advances in education. And disproportionately strong growth in low-wage, female-dominated jobs is projected for the future. Of the 20 jobs predicted to add the largest numbers of workers between 2012 and 2022, five are low-wage, typically paying less than $10.10 per hour—and all of these low-wage jobs are female-dominated. Another nine of these 20 high-growth jobs pay between $10.10 per hour and the median wage of $16.71 per hour—and five of these jobs are female-dominated.

The existence of a wage gap between women and men at every education level has been well documented. However, the finding that in this day and age, women need a bachelor’s degree to avoid being overrepresented in low-wage jobs—while men only need to finish high school—is startling. Moreover, even in these low-wage jobs, women working full time, year round face a 13 percent wage gap, and the gap is even larger for African American and Hispanic women when compared to white, non-Hispanic men.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-21/equal-pay-plaintiffs-burden-of-proof

Only some of the pay gap is the result of discrimination by employers. Men crowd into high-paying fields like engineering, while women dominate lower-paying fields like education and social service. And women are more likely than men to fall off the career track when they have children. They take time off and lose skills, or they opt for less-demanding jobs so they can spend more time at home. Most fathers, in contrast, manage to skate through parenthood without the slightest harm to their careers. Employers could offer family-friendlier policies on leave and flextime, but they can’t be blamed for dads who don’t do enough around the house.

 

[NobodyReally]

Who's at fault for women being underpaid though? Black women AND black males are both underpaid in comparison to whites, so if we both have the same issue what purpose does tackling that issue from a females perspective as opposed to a unified black perspective solve?

Why does it have to be a either/or? We can fight for both. That's kinda the point of black feminism. After we fight for black rights, there's still the gender gap to address.