Final Four: 2Pac vs. Ice Cube
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MooseMouthMthafuga
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off topic, but this is what seperates Pac from Nas IMO.
Nas couldn't make a song like this.
They both street poets, but Pac had a "negro spiritual" side that Nas couldn't fully tap into.
Nas is a technician, but when it comes to dropping a simple truth, Pac>>>>>
It's sorta what seperates him from Cube, to.......So I guess I'll gone and apply that here
Even though I agree with everything the bolded is why Nas is gonna win he's on another level when it comes too ryhming..
Nomad1
Tupac KONY and GOAT
There's no lineage. nikka sounds like those nggas that live and breath hip hop and shyt
MooseMouthMthafuga
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Some people like that tecnical ish, but I find it corny(when it's overdone)....Not saying that's Nas, but music that can evoke emotion will always trump "technical" IMO.
I guarantee Pac will win this poll or any other poll voted on by the populace.
He achieved that level of connectivity with people.Pac is the people's champ
Oh yeah......
@ that Drexler shyt
Willy Waffle
Willy Da Waffleman
honestly, i'm not mad if pac win this but i'm rolling with cube !
that's my goat
people talk about cube fell off after predator 
son went from being a full time rapper to part time after the predator and still went on to put out solid albums. the war disc is underrated as fuk imo, that peace shyt is trash though (gotta keep it a hunnid). 2 albums i think cube and pac fans were robbed of, helter skelter (cube and dre) and a pac and jodeci project.
that's my goat
people talk about cube fell off after predator son went from being a full time rapper to part time after the predator and still went on to put out solid albums. the war disc is underrated as fuk imo, that peace shyt is trash though (gotta keep it a hunnid). 2 albums i think cube and pac fans were robbed of, helter skelter (cube and dre) and a pac and jodeci project.
DC is a GOAT contender album. Pac had three classics in a row. But none of those albums, on their own, are GOAT contenders. Pac's biggest strength was that run, after dropping two lackluster albums and ramping up as an MC. People who were around at the time know Pac wasn't considered an elite rapper on some MC shyt. But he was ramping up.
Pac is the odd man out in this final four as he doesn't have a GOAT contender album compared to DC, Illmatic and Criminal Minded.
My preference is towards cube, my 2nd favorite, maybe even my favorite. But I have no issues with either one winning. Both are deserving contenders. Tough matchup.
Some people like that tecnical ish, but I find it corny(when it's overdone)....Not saying that's Nas, but music that can evoke emotion will always trump "technical" IMO.
I guarantee Pac will win this poll or any other poll voted on by the populace.
He achieved that level of connectivity with people.Pac is the people's champ
Oh yeah......
Your probably right but in some aspects it's not fair to judge cause Pac run was cut much too short and Nas has 10,000's of bars...Pac I think is gonna win but don't underestimate Nasir(on this site) that nikka cult following is something serious..
Yo Drexler cut in those finals was serious nikka had the balding top the fukked up taper the dracula fukked up edge up..and it was the finals you go back and watch them games everybody else crisp nikka was like fukk that I gotta beat Mike
In real life the percentage is I'd estimate around 80-90 percent Pac. I rarely hear Cube mentioned in a top 5, Pac all the time, infact I think Pac is the most common number 1 choice I've ever heard.
Voted cube. Pac is overrated in the truest sense of the word, not an insult. His image plays a huge role in ppls opinions on his rapping. He's like a rap martyr and ppl glorify the shyt outta that. He died too young, I might have a different vote if he lived.
pointproven214
i speak facts not emotions
I would say this is your perspective/opinion (which is fine) but I wouldn't say this is the opinion as a whole. There's a few things to speak about....
First 2 lacklustre albums, I wouldn't say that at all, I think they were very solid albums, probably 4 mic albums with some all time classic songs. He had some amazing work on those albums and memorable songs, if someone were to break down the songs on the albums would see some really classic songs.
Pac is the most widely picked GOAT choice, I think we can agree that, a lot of people would pick 7DT, AEOM or Me Against A World as a GOAT album. All 3 are in contention for that title to me, would probably pick AEOM personally but love 7DT and that's really a possibility. Those are high level elite classics to me, infact honestly all 3 are better to me than the 3 albums you mentioned. When it comes to magazines and reviewers and shyt yes maybe not but the people pick Pac albums often. I've come across countless Hip Hop heads that pick a Pac album as the GOAT album, it's usually 1 of the 3 mentioned and occasionally Thug Life.
On to offline can be drastic differences sometime and Hip Hop is huge. I think Cube was respected but was he considered the elite rapper on some skill shyt? I don't think so, I think people like Rakim, Kane, Nas, KRS-One and others were looked at as more skilled MC's. I think Cube was an MC that was respected cause he could rap and then later his approach/politics but I don't think he was considered the man on that level, though was considered vicious with shyt like No Vaseline, King Of The Hill (1 of my personal favourites as the song is just HARD).
I don't really hear Cube mentioned much in GOAT contention discussions nor in greatest album discussions offline, heard Straight Out Of Compton get some mentions occasionally but not a Cube solo. Some of the albums I hear about as GOAT contenders (having a WIDE vast reach of opinions) are shyt like Illmatic, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, AEOM, 7 Day Theory, Me Against The World, It Takes A Nation Of Millions, Paid In Full, Criminal Minded, Ready To Die, Life After Death, The Great Adventures Of Slick Rick, Midnight Marauders or Low End Theory, occasionally The Score, The Chronic, Doggystyle, Resurrection occasionally, I honestly hear The Infamous or Hell On Earth more than any Cube solo album, Reasonable Doubt occasionally.
That's what I hear from the people anyway. Don't get me wrong I now we get all kinds of choices but those are some which I hear most often. For instance if you ask people The Chronic vs a Cube solo I think offline Chronic wins comfortably.
In terms of lineages in Hip Hop, in a metaphorical sense of course that is something real.
Cube comes from dudes such as Chuck D, Ice T, Melle Mel and others.
Pac comes from dudes like Scarface, Cube himself, KRS-One, Chuck D, LL Cool J, Melle Mel.
That's 1 of the reasons Pac is the GOAT to me too, his influences in Hip Hop were STRONG and he really studied dudes like that and others.
Queen Latifah, list goes on, just listen to Old School.
Cube comes from dudes such as Chuck D, Ice T, Melle Mel and others.
Pac comes from dudes like Scarface, Cube himself, KRS-One, Chuck D, LL Cool J, Melle Mel.
That's 1 of the reasons Pac is the GOAT to me too, his influences in Hip Hop were STRONG and he really studied dudes like that and others.
Queen Latifah, list goes on, just listen to Old School.