Finally read Cosbys whole speech. Why would a black person disagree?

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I swear some of you guys are hopeless...it must be a tragic life to feel so helpless. I think that many blacks who are like minded need to come together and work together. It is pointless to try to preach to others who don't follow the same train of throught. The excuses will always be plenty but the actions slim...

So I am guessing every speech that is catered to the black community has to have a disclaimer stating how white people are the cause of all black ills with 10% of the speech mentioning accountability in order to appease you guys.
You are missing the point here. This speech wasn't aimed at "the black community"

The overwhelming majority of the black community are not those saggy pants thugs that Cosby lambasted. Most of us are working class normal people who speak English, are educated, and are working our collective asses off.

What bill cosbys rhetoric does is blame the fact that even though I am educated and experienced, I still get paid less, on the poorest least educated subset of our community. It totally misses the point and only serves to further perpetrate the unfair conditions that dictate the socioeconomic conditions in this country

I am personally sick and tired to hear about the white power structure and how it keeps the black man down and how whites secretly fear how powerful blacks are. All this is....is complacency. There are times whem whites need to be called out and there are times when blacks need to be called out for their destructive behavior
You're sick of it cause it permeates your everyday life. Don't point the finger at people who chose to speak out about it. It's not them that need to change.

For my Christian brehs...you look at the story of the Jews in the bible...god spend more time chastising/punishing them than he did those that were mistreating the jews. Just cause you are being victimized doesn't mean that you can't be held accountable for your personal behaviour. In addition, demanding accountability is in no way diminishing the fact that you are being victimized.
True, but not comparable to the Cosby situation. On an individual level, personal reposibilty is key. You play the cards you are dealt to the best of your ability. On the macro level, in explaining why things are the way they are on how to change them you have to look at the "cards" and who's dealing them, otherwise you learn nothing, and work to preserve the status quo

Seems like this generation find more ways than one to say why they cannot achieve when they have opportunities that previous generation could only dream of.
This generation HAS acheived more than previous generations could dream of. They are not mutually exclusive concepts. One can work hard and become educated AND still speak out against injustices. It was the previous generation that dropped the ball. Our grandparents sacrificed life and limb, our parents reaped those benefits and became a bit complacent. It's up to our generation to continue the fight our grandparents started.

Yes I can attest, that many blacks are lazy and are comfortable in the dysfunction/matrix than to venture out of it. Bmthe black collective often times than not do not like to be called out unless it is coated in pounds of arse kissing and ego stroking.
You can't call out the "black collective" with generalization. No other race/group gets that treatment. You never see anyone lambasting "white culture" as a collective. They address the problems where they exist.

However, what I do agree with, is that many of these discussions should be had in private company.
Public/private doesn't matter. What we shouldn't have is powerful black folks reading from the racist justification handbook and making generalizations about our people.

For those waiting for whites to change the systen so that blacks can 'eat', let me tell you this:
This is again where you missed the point. Nobody is just waiting for anything. As has been pointed out in this thread, black people are achieving more now than we ever have in the past. And are actively the most socialy responsible/conscious we have been in decades.

Blacks endured 4 centuries of slavery, colonized by several european powers, went through the civil rights movement, endured neocolonialism and after all this are still suffering the impact of all these ills today. With modern problems such as police brutality/higg incarceration rates/economic destabilization and the list go on. Does that sound like a people who will change a ssystem so that you can 'eat'?

Sounds like more a people adapting their system of oppression with every new generation.
True, but that doesn't mean we should close our mouths and accept it. Our ancestors fought to improve their situation. We should do the same.

I acknowledge the harm(disenfranchisement/oppression) that blacks have endured worldwide but how long do y'all plan on singing the same song? Another century, two...perhaps a millenia? This where having a large population means nothing in the grand scheme of things if there isn't a think tank to redirect our collective.
As long as black people are lynched, black people will speak out about.

Why should we stop?

Blacks have the right to be angry/exasperated/etc...but please let it fuel change not lazy rhetoric of whites taking acountability of what they have done because it's either never going to happen, be insincere, or be sincere but will not inspire any long term changes. Why? Cause they have everything to lose and we have everything to gain. These people can barely stand when blacks have an inch and they have a mile but some of y'all expect them to one day be fair amd split.
activism brings about change. Never stop fighting. They want us to accept the status quo.

The world is for those that take and not those that I have their hands out...!

A lot of you would do better to have no expectation of whites/others and starting taking what you deserve.

Drops mic...
It's much better to expect your enemy to attack, than to expect them to do nothing. Fighting for basic human rights is not looking for "handouts". Saying "hey don't shoot my kids" isn't asking for a favor.

Pick up a book......
 

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How have I lied? Dude, you're losing it.
Cosby tacitly and implicitly acknowledged the role of white supremacy in the black community's current state of affairs in his speech.
That's a damn lie. Cosby did no such thing. The entire premise of his speech is that blacks need to stop blaming whites and do better.

Cosby was speaking to the NAACP for the 50th anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education. EVERYBODY present (including him) understood the role the white supremacist power structure played in the status of the black community. Moreover, they understood how the system continues to hold us down. Systematic racism is obviously a huge factor in today's society and everybody there knew it without having to say it. To even suggest otherwise if intellectually dishonest.
This is another lie. Cosby himself doesn't even understand the role that systematic white supremacy plays in holding down the black community which is why he was telling blacks to stop blaming whites. Had Cosby truly acknowledged systematic white supremacy that would've contradicted his entire "stop blaming whites" message. Why are you so dishonest?


So you're going to ignore when he repeatedly said throughout his speech that "We have to take our community back" and that "We must get to parenting"? Cosby was urging our community to hold ourselves to better standards individually and collectively. He was specifically commenting on how WE drop the ball collectively in situations that are within OUR control. At the end of the day, even with the presence of systematic racism, we, as individuals, are responsible for our own individual actions. At some point, we must take personal responsibility for our actions. What was wrong with what he said? How was it half truth?
I haven't ignored Cosby's chastising telling the black community that we've got to do better. We have to take our community back? No shyt? My point is that Cosby sits up and tells the black community that it must do better without acknowledging the cause for why the community is in the state that it's in. That's a half truth and I illustrated that clearly in my previous post. You can't talk about the incarceration rate without dealing with the PIC and racist judicial system. What part of that didn't you get? Blacks don't control shyt in the system of white supremacy, not even our own communities. White supremacy has disenfranchised the community. Cosby didn't have the wisdom or courage to acknowledge that. He whined about the symptoms of the problems without dealing with the cause.



Has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

Again, dude, let's agree to disagree. And leave me alone.
"leave me alone" fukk you fakkit. You've dapped posts of me saying the same things that I've said here. That's why this is funny.
 

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A lot of people are butt-hurt that Cosby called out the black community for collectively dropping the ball, especially in the time periods since Brown v. board of Education and the Civil Rights Movement. Although systematic racism and discrimination plays a huge role in the black community's current state and dysfunction, Cosby was right for calling us all out and begging us to take personal responsibility for our decisions (by going to school, speaking properly, dressing accordingly, treating ourselves with respect, etc.) instead of begging white society to change or solely relying on God.

Needless to say, this message didn't go over so well with many members of the black community (nor did it go down well with the white liberal media). A major reason why the speech didn't go down so well is because white conservatives have utilized Cosby's speech to slam the condition of the black community. To many people, there was very little difference between Cosby's speech and Bill O'Reilly's rant against minorities.

However, despite the harsh delivery of Cosby's speech, one cannot validly argue that Cosby was lying or that he wanted to attack blacks. There was a great deal of unadulterated truth in his speech and the people who continue to hate on the substance of his speech obviously had their nerves struck (or are even guilty of what Cosby was speaking against).

At the very worst, Cosby's delivery was rude and judgmental. But the most objective person would find that the substance of his speech was nothing but the truth. Some don't like the truth, though.

Church.

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That's a damn lie. Cosby did no such thing. The entire premise of his speech is that blacks need to stop blaming whites and do better.

This is another lie. Cosby himself doesn't even understand the role that systematic white supremacy plays in holding down the black community which is why he was telling blacks to stop blaming whites. Had Cosby truly acknowledged systematic white supremacy that would've contradicted his entire "stop blaming whites" message. Why are you so dishonest?


I haven't ignored Cosby's chastising telling the black community that we've got to do better. We have to take our community back? No shyt? My point is that Cosby sits up and tells the black community that it must do better without acknowledging the cause for why the community is in the state that it's in. That's a half truth and I illustrated that clearly in my previous post. You can't talk about the incarceration rate without dealing with the PIC and racist judicial system. What part of that didn't you get? Blacks don't control shyt in the system of white supremacy, not even our own communities. White supremacy has disenfranchised the community. Cosby didn't have the wisdom or courage to acknowledge that. He whined about the symptoms of the problems without dealing with the cause.



"leave me alone" fukk you fakkit. You've dapped posts of me saying the same things that I've said here. That's why this is funny.

You're letting your emotions get the best of you. And it's clouding whatever logic your posts may have. Calm down.
 

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You're letting your emotions get the best of you. And it's clouding whatever logic your posts may have. Calm down.
:heh:You even use the "u mad" cop out strategy like a bytch. If you were going to cop out you should've just posted the :umad: smiley and kept it moving.
 

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No, it's true. I understand the tone of his speech bothered mufukkaz. But gotta call a spade a spade. Lots of mufukkaz can't take valid criticism. While we can't control cacs taking what he said and using it against us (fukk them for that shyt), I'm not gonna sit here and cuban b the fact that a lot of what he said was true. And the main reason I won't is that I know and have family members/friends/people I know that act like the people he talked about.

While I don't think it's the majority of us, far too many of us do exhibit those traits. And there does come a point where blaming cacs gets old. Cacs are gonna cac, so I can't spend my time worrying about them and their fukkery all the time. Too exhausting. There's TONS of shyt we can do personally in our communities to take charge and control.

And while I don't condone him acting all high and mighty with the message, especially knowing his shyt aint clean, the message itself is one that we have to examine because it is reality in far too many circumstances. Not all, but far too many which is something I have a problem with.
 

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The irony of your name being Malik and capping for Cosby is just :banderas: (and i bet you don't even know why:dead:)


And to think that Cosby said something new and Profound ---and that people like him, aren't full of empty rhetoric is just :banderas:


To NOT realize why people aren't going hard at Carter Wilson, farrakhan, Malcolm x, mlk, and others for saying related things - But go at people like Delorus Tucker and Bill Cosby and Alan Keys is :ufdup:


To not know the real reason Cosby was loved by the media and to not realize why the most racist whites in the nation capp for him and ONly people like him is just :snoop:

To think,,, A grown Man saying shyt like --- " pull up your pants, only use European names, and try harder to adopt to white culture, ignore the realities of your situation, And Lets all generalize and diss poor blacks" its just :to:



To not know that the NAACP and virtually every group that Cosby supports is founded by whites , controlled by whites, and used by whites is just plain... :mjcry:
What profound thing have you said @Blackking ? Oh don't say this cause whites can use that against us?
 

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No, it's true. I understand the tone of his speech bothered mufukkaz. But gotta call a spade a spade. Lots of mufukkaz can't take valid criticism. While we can't control cacs taking what he said and using it against us (fukk them for that shyt), I'm not gonna sit here and cuban b the fact that a lot of what he said was true. And the main reason I won't is that I know and have family members/friends/people I know that act like the people he talked about.

While I don't think it's the majority of us, far too many of us do exhibit those traits. And there does come a point where blaming cacs gets old. Cacs are gonna cac, so I can't spend my time worrying about them and their fukkery all the time. Too exhausting. There's TONS of shyt we can do personally in our communities to take charge and control.

And while I don't condone him acting all high and mighty with the message, especially knowing his shyt aint clean, the message itself is one that we have to examine because it is reality in far too many circumstances. Not all, but far too many which is something I have a problem with.
No it wasn't about him acting high and mighty, and it wasn't that the tone was offensive.

Read some of the post on why his speech was ignorant.
 

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:heh:You even use the "u mad" cop out strategy like a bytch. If you were going to cop out you should've just posted the :umad: smiley and kept it moving.

You resorting to name-calling and personal insults is the equivalent of you waving a white flag in a fact-driven debate.

I win.
 

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No it wasn't about him acting high and mighty, and it wasn't that the tone was offensive.

Read some of the post on why his speech was ignorant.

Sure some of the examples were sensationalized, but I guess I read between the lines to get what he was trying to say. And that, I have no issue with.
 

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No, it's true. I understand the tone of his speech bothered mufukkaz. But gotta call a spade a spade. Lots of mufukkaz can't take valid criticism. While we can't control cacs taking what he said and using it against us (fukk them for that shyt), I'm not gonna sit here and cuban b the fact that a lot of what he said was true. And the main reason I won't is that I know and have family members/friends/people I know that act like the people he talked about.
The speech isn't calling "a spade a spade"

Standing up in front of educated proper English speaking African Americans and projecting the behavior of the lowest of the low on all of us is more akin to calling the entire deck "spades"

While I don't think it's the majority of us, far too many of us do exhibit those traits. And there does come a point where blaming cacs gets old. Cacs are gonna cac, so I can't spend my time worrying about them and their fukkery all the time. Too exhausting. There's TONS of shyt we can do personally in our communities to take charge and control.
What's your threshold for "too many"

In reality regardless of race or situation. You take ten people, a couple will go above and beyond, a couple will totally fail, and the majority will fall in the middle somewhere. You take that same ten people and place a systemic constant burden on their shoulders, then only the extraordinary will make it. It's not a conducive strategy to say black people should ignore everything else and just be extrodinary. It just doesn't work like that.

And while I don't condone him acting all high and mighty with the message, especially knowing his shyt aint clean, the message itself is one that we have to examine because it is reality in far too many circumstances. Not all, but far too many which is something I have a problem with.

No the "message" is one that's been used since the begening of time to justify unfair treatment and to place the blame on those being oppressed. It's been examined time and time again, and everytime its been bullshyt
 
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