Finally read Cosbys whole speech. Why would a black person disagree?
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I didnt read the whole speech but knowing Cosby and the little bit i read in this thread (like the quote from @Primetime21 in the first page) i doubt there's really anything wrong with it.
I'll take some time to read it later but i know people in general, not just black people, can NOT handle the truth about themselves so Cosby was bound to ruffle some feathers
I'll take some time to read it later but i know people in general, not just black people, can NOT handle the truth about themselves so Cosby was bound to ruffle some feathers
Use tired old idioms, when you can't respond intellectually brehs
You usin the name calling as an excuse to dodge the logical points that you can't refute is waving the white flag. See I can walk and chew gum at the same time. I can insult you while intelligently destroying your position at the same time. This isn't personal chump. You're just a screen name to me.
Actually, I've been responding intellectually throughout this entire thread. It's posters such as yourselves who have resorted to attacking Cosby and attacking me through personal insults and name-calling.
I ask you one simple question: What IN HIS SPEECH did Cosby say that was incorrect or c00nish?
We've already admitted that his tone and delivery was judgmental and harsh.
But what IN HIS SPEECH (his actual words) did he say that was incorrect/c00nish?
Sensationalized for who...
And is that what we need? Speeches to diss us , that provide no solutions outside of shyt like name ur kids European names and dress more mainstream??
But you haven't intellectually destroyed my arguments. Not even close. You couldn't even answer OP's question with a response that was on-point, never mind validly refute my arguments with logically-sound responses.
I didn't read the same thing. I've seen Pastors in economically challenged areas do the same thing as well. I see what you're getting at and I don't disagree with that. The biggest issue I have is that education is the big equalizer. And we are in the position where we least can afford not to take it seriously. I see lots of cats saying they value education but their actions say otherwise. Cacs can afford to not give a fukk about it as much because they are in a position of power. We don't have that luxury.
parenting is piss poor in too many households in lower class areas (fact).
the whole crying and acting the fool in church when you kid is in dead or in jail. Where was the concern before?
looking to white people to save us? I think we all agree that is a pipe dream.
Financial irresponsibility? we're in a position where we least can afford it compared to other groups.
The 50 percent drop out rate, 5/6 baby daddies, and pulling your pants up thing is a cyse. But I get the underlying message.
He was also shytting on the same people in the audience clapping for not doing enough to help. We see mufukkaz not doing right and turn blind eyes to help.
There's just so much that has to be fixed that it's frustrating. Adding that to the fact we are becoming more and more marginalized isn't helping either.
Ultimately, what I got from his speech was
1) fukk cacs because waiting on them or blaming them for our problems doesn't do anything
2) Take value in education and reinforce it at home
3) Personal Responsibility/Accountability/Respect
4) Raise your kids with 2 and 3 above
5) Set The Example
And I have zero problems with the above and my wife and I make sure we practice the above at home with my 2 sons.
It wasn't all a diss. I do get that mufukkaz are tired of hearing everything that is wrong with us. I get it and I'm not gonna sit here and say I'm not tired of it as well. But I'm not going to dismiss it either.
And I know that he gives back to the community as well, so he backs up what he says.
I've attacked no one. It's funny you continually use the "forest from the trees...." Line to defend Cosby, when that is exactly what cosbys speach was.
The phrase is basically "you're missing the big picture"
So when talking about black people's socioeconomic status in America what's the big picture?
It's not Tyrone sagging his pants and talking in slang. That's not what gets me paid less on my job, or charged more for the things I need in life. It's not Gucci mans fault that tamir rice was killed.
So it is in fact you and mister Cosby "missing the forest from the trees"
And it's been explained time and time again why the speach was incorrect and c00nish, no need to retread them. You'll just ignore them again.
Again, it's YOU who's missed the point.
The point of Cosby's speech was to call on us to take personal responsibility in our lives (and the lives of our children) by respecting ourselves, dressing better, and taking education more seriously. While socioeconomics plays a role, Cosby's MAIN POINT was PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND ACCOUNTABLITY, along with BETTER PARENTING.
Cosby, and other blacks, KNOW that the white privilege and a white supremacist power structure exists. He was saying that we can start to take advantage of landmark decisions and Civil Rights milestones by handling business that's in our control.
By you harping on the white supremacist power structure that EVERYBODY knows exists, you're missing the forest for the trees in Cosby's speech.
ive refutes everything that you've said dumb fukk which is why you dodged the points to cry about me calling you names
You- "Bu bu bu Cosby did acknowledge white supremacy"
Me- "No he didn't. He told blacks to stop blaming whites. Acknowledging white supremacy would've directly contradicted the message of his speech. He didn't tell the truth he told a half truth. Example: Cosby whined about the incarceration rate but didn't dare mention the prison industrial complex or the racist judicial system."
You- "uh uh you called me names. Leave me alone"
with that sucker shyt.
Big difference from cosbys speach. There's no problem preaching personal and social responsibility. The problem lies when you use the irresponsibility of some, as a justification for the oppression of all.
Education is absoutely not an equalizer. Its a good way to get ahead, but it absolutely does my name you equal. That's what dudes like Cosby fail to realize.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the majority of black fols. Especially those attending/watching and NAACP speach(fact)
Very insensetive and c00nish statement. First off being a bad kid with bad parenting is not a precursor to being killed as a black man in this country. Second most parents care and fight for their kids way before something tragic happens.
Once again you take the lowest of the low, and project that situation on all.
No one is looking to be saved. We are still trying to stop being killed first.
No its factually incorrect and the message is akin to blaming a rape victim for the clothing she wears.
This speach and others like it are a tool in our marginalization.
You are missing the distinction between the micro and macro.
Those are great lessons to teach your children on an indivudal(micro) level. But when we start talking about our people as a whole(macro) then that is not sufficient information at all. You're setting your kids up for failure/disappointment by oh giving them half the story. And you doom them to a life of disadvantage by not advocating for them on a macro level.
We do this now much better than blacks ever have in the past. Our plight is still the same.
As I said you and Cosby are missing the point.
Well he doesn't know black people then cause this is exactly what tge majority of us are doing. The only thing that's stayed the same is the systematic oppression.
Not harping on anything. Speaking of reality. You do realize a person can be educated, speak proper English, raise their kids right AND still speak out about oppression right?
That's where you and Cosby miss the point. Y'all create this world where you can only do one or the other. In reality any reasonable strategy is gonna take action on all fronts.