Finally read Cosbys whole speech. Why would a black person disagree?

[MeachTheMonster]

Having both parents in the same house makes a huge difference.

Agreed. Problem is the "out of wedlock" rate give you no clear picture of who is growing up without both parents.

And the marriage rates for us as a whole have dropped more than any other group.

Marriage rates are down accross the board due to a miltitudexof reasons. None of them because black people don't want to raise their kids with two parents.

Once again your taking statistics and drawing conclusions that the statistics alone just don't support.

While you can make stats for what you want, just take a look around at your own family and friends. Numbers aren't as false as you think they are

The numbers don't mean what you are making them out to mean. I can look around at my friends and family and see that our generation of fathers is in our kids lives a lot more than our parents generation.

 

[William F. Russell]

No it was not. The graduation rate was around 50%, but that doesn't mean the other 50% dropped out.

But the remaining 50% attended "dropout factories" or were placed on the "special education" track.

http://naacp.3cdn.net/e5524b7d7cf40a3578_2rm6bn7vr.pdf

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

i'm not white but i can try to understand their mind-process, i have that same thing like the dude from hannibal where he empathizes with everyone

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

What? If a person at 20% and anther is at 75% completion of a race the person at 20% will never catch the person at 75% if the coach say follow the exact pace of the runner in front of you.

Without doing extra you'll never catch up( they went extra in the 60s and 70s amd all that momentum has been squandered and now the white media is using a speech by a black man to a black audience about parenting is being teamed up against by other blacks to silence him and destroy his name, fukk yall) White folks dont give a fukk about you what do yall not get?

Now yall mad that someome expects more out of you than the minimum/easy way.

To add to that the 75% is still fighting to keep the lead with extra gatorade while you got just water.

Boy yall sure love and care about how white think about yall.

Ta-nesihi Coates:

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[Rekkapryde]

Agreed. Problem is the "out of wedlock" rate give you no clear picture of who is growing up without both parents.


Marriage rates are down accross the board due to a miltitudexof reasons. None of them because black people don't want to raise their kids with two parents.

Once again your taking statistics and drawing conclusions that the statistics alone just don't support.


The numbers don't mean what you are making them out to mean. I can look around at my friends and family and see that our generation of fathers is in our kids lives a lot more than our parents generation.

wanting to raise with both parents is on some woulda coulda shoulda shyt. Of course wanting to be married with both kids parents is ideal, but it's not happening. I know marriage rates are down across the board, but with us, it's down the greatest.

We can't take numbers when they are favorable and disregard when they aren't. Look at the commentary in these same forums to let you know the deal. People shyt on @Emperor_ReinScarf for his marriage stats and shyt, but the truth is the truth.

Did Cosby come down on people with a judgemental, condenscending tone? Maybe. But like I said, I've heard the same from pastors in churches I've attended with no backlash.

Bottom line is that we gotta get it together and there are things that we can do to help that. Waiting on the saltine who blatantly gives no fukk about us won't do anything, so we gotta take the responsibility upon ourselves. I do think we can.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

But the remaining 50% attended "dropout factories" or were placed on the "special education" track.

http://naacp.3cdn.net/e5524b7d7cf40a3578_2rm6bn7vr.pdf

Your link doesn't say that and your link clearly states that black dropout rates are nowhere near 50%


What peopl like Cosby and yourself do is take the 50% graduation rate and project that to mean 50% must have dropped out. It doesn't not work like that. Don't even think you understand that quote you made up

So again do you know what the "graduation rate" is a measure of exactly?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

wanting to raise with both parents is on some woulda coulda shoulda shyt. Of course wanting to be married with both kids parents is ideal, but it's not happening. I know marriage rates are down across the board, but with us, it's down the greatest.

We can't take numbers when they are favorable and disregard when they aren't. Look at the commentary in these same forums to let you know the deal. People shyt on @Emperor_ReinScarf for his marriage stats and shyt, but the truth is the truth.

Did Cosby come down on people with a judgemental, condenscending tone? Maybe. But like I said, I've heard the same from pastors in churches I've attended with no backlash.

Bottom line is that we gotta get it together and there are things that we can do to help that. Waiting on the saltine who blatantly gives no fukk about us won't do anything, so we gotta take the responsibility upon ourselves. I do think we can.

You don't understand the numbers. Just like your boy above. And reinscarf

"Out of wedlock rate"=/="rate of children raised by a single parent"

You can't take tge number and spin it into something more than it is

 

[philmonroe]

Sure some of the examples were sensationalized, but I guess I read between the lines to get what he was trying to say. And that, I have no issue with.

People have an ability to read between the lines but when you get emotional and or want to discredit somebody all of a sudden people need it to be spelled out clear as high definition.

 

[OG Talk]

These dudes pay to hear rappers tell them how they are better than them because of their car, watch and crib and brag how they will take their girl..

But Bill Cosby is just too "condensending" and they just aren't gonna stand for him talking down on Black folks like he's better than them..





But "I got a bottle of cologne that costs more than your rent" is all gravy right...

 

[William F. Russell]

Your link doesn't say that and your link clearly states that black dropout rates are nowhere near 50%


What peopl like Cosby and yourself do is take the 50% graduation rate and project that to mean 50% must have dropped out. It doesn't not work like that. Don't even think you understand that quote you made up

So again do you know what the "graduation rate" is a measure of exactly?

OK, what happens to the other 50% that doesn't graduate from high school? 1. they graduate later, 2. they're placed on "special education", or 3. they drop out. Any of those 3 options are not good. You can keep playing semantics but the fact remains that when only 50% of all high school students graduate, that's a problem. Certainly the disparity in the quality of high schools plays a role. But that's a damning number nonetheless and a great deal of that 50% stat has to do with bad parenting and depreciated standards of behavior.

And if that misstated statistic is the only thing you can find wrong in Cosby's speech, then I say that lots of people are upset at him for no reason. What Cosby said in his speech rings true and has only been amplified over time.

 

[intruder]

Support a speech full of misguided generalizations by making a bunch of misguided generalizations of your own brehs

I m sure Cosby doesnt mean 100% but GENERALLY SPEAKING he is right. These mofos out there are "sweet beautiful things born by nature raised by no one"

My parents always said they'd "rather be a parent and make you cry now [while you're young] than for you to make me cry when you're older".

 

[William F. Russell]

People have an ability to read between the lines but when you get emotional and or want to discredit somebody all of a sudden people need it to be spelled out clear as high definition.

 

[Rekkapryde]

You don't understand the numbers. Just like your boy above. And reinscarf

"Out of wedlock rate"=/="rate of children raised by a single parent"

You can't take tge number and spin it into something more than it is

I know that.

 

[rapbeats]

I don't think it's impossible though. Look at the Asian community. There is hope

you do realize the reason the asian community has as much run as they do is because of all kinds of treaty like setups we have with other asian countries. where it makes it easier for them to come over here and get business loans, etc. Thats because the US gets something they want from asia and asia in return request these types of things for people who want to come to the states and setup shop here. we didnt come here with a treaty from africa. we were forced to be here as slaves. there's a huge difference between those two situations. WE are americans born in america. We are not here on a lets setup shop type of situation.

Unlike the hispanics we wont ever have the numbers because our motherland country isnt attached to the US like mexico is which is also attached to central america.

Connect africa to the US and we're having a completely different conversation. The numbers would be in our favor. we could literally strategize to out number white folks. but thats cant happen in our current situation. and lets be clear if by chance africa was on the border of the US. there would be an electrified fence, drones galore, etc. making darn sure you darkees dont get in. Remember THEY..WHITE folks. HATE YOU. They were not hanging asians in trees and cutting off their males genitals. They did that to you. There isnt a soul on earth that the white man hates more then the black man. Now the question is WHY? especially when the black man on average has not affected their lives in any shape or form for over 100's of years. its actually been the other way around. They have done studies in the US suggesting that some where around 70% of whites dont even interact much with black people on a regular basis. Yet you get a ton of them on that racist tip. Why are you so bothered by me if we dont even cross paths and people of my color dont control anything that will change your lifestyle? makes no sense.
But thats their pathology they dont want to talk about. All these black folks up on CNN and other shows explaining how black people feel is foolish. Everyone already knows how a victim feels being victimized. Waters is wet. Why are we not talking to white people? Go read Chris Rocks recent interview. And pay good attention to what he says about if he were able to have a show. he would love to interview white people. but not him do it. let a white person do it and have C.rock telling the white person what to ask the other white guests. So the white folks can open up and tell us the truth about what they feel, how they think. and fox news isnt all of it either. thats surface stuff.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

OK, what happens to the other 50% that doesn't graduate from high school? 1. they graduate later, 2. they're placed on "special education", or 3. they drop out. Any of those 3 options are not good. You can keep playing semantics but the fact remains that when only 50% of all high school students graduate, that's a problem. Certainly the disparity in the quality of high schools plays a role. But that's a damning number nonetheless and a great deal of that 50% stat has to do with bad parenting and depreciated standards of behavior.

And if that misstated statistic is the only thing you can find wrong in Cosby's speech, then I say that lots of people are upset at him for no reason. What Cosby said in his speech rings true and has only been amplified over time.

No. You can't just take numbers and spin them into the narrative you want. That kills your credibility. And this is just one example. You asked and I gave it to you. The speech is full of tone-def and misguided analysis such as this.