Finally read Cosbys whole speech. Why would a black person disagree?

[Blackking]

People keep saying he should have said it in house but he said it at the NAACP anniversary, it doesnt get more inhouse than that.

I never had a problem with the speech. We cant keep sitting around waiting for cacs to help or acknowledge shyt, we gotta make moves. Sulking never helped anyone. We already know what led to the shyt, how do we fix it? talking about a broken sink, doesnt fix the sink.

There is so much that you and people like @Cynical Thoughts don't understand for most posters in the know it feels like it would take WAY too much effort to explain.

First off NAACP isn't 'IN HOUSE"... unless you're speaking on 'in THE house' in regards to a plantation. I mean I guess the founders of the NAACP are very happy that you all are drinking the koolaid and that people like Cosby are doing their jobs as gate-keepers

Saying Bill Cosbys speech was good for black people is like saying that Welfare and Foodstamps and being pushed into the ghettos were good for black people
Both things are something propped up by white liberal and conservatives as something that will help - when really it sets us back and it's is USED as a platform to generalize and stigmatized ALL BLACKS

@Cynical Thoughts thinks that the speech hurt people feelings

So let me guess, lol - it hurt the uppper black middle class people who aren't even the Target of the attacks in the speech??

Some middle and upper class blacks are the people criticizing the ignorance of the speech --- The targets of the speech didn't even hear it and NO it didn't not help them

For 40-50 years we've had too many Cosbys to count. Not one line he said is anything new. The whole..."these ghetto nikkas need discipline, no excuses , pull yourselves up by bootstraps, and adapt more the the culture of white people" Speeches have been spit every year since 1935. Its ineffective, ignorant, nearsighted, and it doesn't affect change at all - So that's the issue I have with the speech. Generalizing and Targeting poor blacks... isn't a strategy to black mass success.

But whatever,,, The same reason that there is a thread on this the same reason , Every single white conservative in the nation claims Cosby is "THE FIRST" black public figure to speak on the morality of black people........... We ignore Malcom x , WEBdubois, Garvy, idawells, MLK, etc, who did the same thing -but didn't do it in a way to appease white people and (either ill-informed or c00nish ) blacks.

Spoiler: why the speech was fukked up...

1)Anti-intelliculasm.... isn't a black issue As Cosby and other elitist or c00n like black claim.
I attended one of the best HS in the nation- Its an american cultural issue.... All races have it.
Blacks praise those who earn high education, and even poor blacks praise educational success. Plus no mention of school funding disparities and other factors.
2)Black English
This dude really tried to say African American Vernacular English or Ebonics as he calls it is what's holding us back
First off...... Everyone speaks slang. 2... Most successful blacks can successfully switch and basically be bilingual.. We are more intelligent than this ignorant fool can recognize. This fakkit has made madddd Money off 'black english' and even had a cartoon that only spoke Black English
3) He disses the ENTIRE hip hop generation You have to be kidding me. And he disses Rap? That's hilarious considering there aren't too many grad school student that don't listen to hip hop. Be ignorant of social economic factors brehhs..

4) African sounding names.

fukk anyone who is riding with Cosby on this point. And you all wonder why people use the word c00n... Well, it's not a great word choice but sometimes there really isn't another word to use NTM, not all of the names he used were ignorant. Some of them have power meanings. Some have roots. And John and MAry are only our names because of slavery - Why shouldn't we be able to pick out own names. For example, I personally have a slave name . But my kids do not. Why would I do something like that to them?? their names don't sound ghetto, but I'd be damn if I were to give them slave names.
5) African roots - Why should we have to stray away from that and adopt anything that seems like white culture and ignore anything that we've created in this nation?
6) He says that we can't blame CACS for black plight in America. Sure that goes for some individual decisions....... but the social climate of America isn't the fault of blacks and the fact that black people have to 'make it' out the hoods in mass--- is not the fault of blacks. We can't ignore the recent history of this nation. Even his own Wife has wrote Essays about this... during the 90's she was writing about not letting cacs off the hook for the condition of our masses.

7) Plus it had an elitist undertone throughout the speech.

 

[Blackking]

ol..

ass nikkas. smh.

 

[Blackking]

I agree. A lot of that shyt the NOI also be talking about, but I see no one shytting on Farrakhan

He doesn't ignore factors and economic situations... plus he has thousands of brehs on the streets daily putting in work.

plus the noi was motivation for most of our pro black groups.
plus they been pushing group economics and land grabbing before most other people.
plus during the time of their creation most blacks- wanted to not be black because of how we were treated.... They are one of the reasons we even have black pride.
They taught black excellence during times when it was hard to see our history. Plus their spin off groups are the reason for black pride ressurgence in the 80's and 90's.. and the reason why hip hop spoke the way it did in the beginning.. why consciousness still exist.... and indirectly why we even have these hip hop boards to even talk on to discuss this shyt.

is the reason why no one really shyts on Farrakhan.

 

[AITheAnswerAI]

Share it with black people directly, don't let the white media get a hold of it and use it as ammunition against your people.

When will black people learn to work together and solve their issues, and stop holding out for white people to accept them like they're white?

 

[William F. Russell]

Share it with black people directly, don't let the white media get a hold of it and use it as ammunition against your people.

When will black people learn to work together and solve their issues, and stop holding out for white people to accept them like they're white?

1. He was speaking to the NAACP when he made that "Pound Cake" speech. The audience was predominantly black.

2. He is Bill Cosby--an ultra celebrity. That means the media follows everything he does, says, and produces, no matter the extent of his efforts to dodge the media. There was no feasible way he (nor anybody else for that matter) could prevent white people from discovering his speech.

3. A lot of posters on here are deflecting from the actual question presented in the topic: why would any black person DISAGREE WITH WHAT HE SAID in the speech? People who are focusing on his delivery and on the fact that white people heard the speech are avoiding answering OP's question.

 

[The Real]

Never read the whole thing and now that i have, I agree with it more.

Can all the people who reference this speach please point to the actual parts that are upsetting, incorrect, c00nish etc.

http://www.eightcitiesmap.com/transcript_bc.htm

"We cannot blame the white people any longer."

I can't imagine why anyone would disagree...

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

Are you cherry picking that sentence? Is there anything before or after that phrase that elaborates what that sentence means?

Ill go check. Give me minute.

Edit:this is that whole paragraph. Now what is the problem you have with it?

"We cannot blame white people. White people (clapping) .. white people don't live over there. They close up the shop early. The Korean ones still don't know us as well...they stay open 24 hours (laughter)."

Lol he said dont blame god, what does he mean by that?

Living in a poverty stricken area, If a black person shot your mother or robbed your brother or left your little sister pregnant you gonna blame white people?

 

[AITheAnswerAI]

1. He was speaking to the NAACP when he made that "Pound Cake" speech. The audience was predominantly black.

2. He is Bill Cosby--an ultra celebrity. That means the media follows everything he does, says, and produces, no matter the extent of his efforts to dodge the media. There was no feasible way he (nor anybody else for that matter) could prevent white people from discovering his speech.

3. A lot of posters on here are deflecting from the actual question presented in the topic: why would any black person DISAGREE WITH WHAT HE SAID in the speech? People who are focusing on his delivery and on the fact that white people heard the speech are avoiding answering OP's question.

The NAACP is something the media will cover. However, if he went to black churches, historically black colleges, black venues etc. the media wouldn't be there, and if it was, not nearly as much.

I have no problem with him wanting more from his people, but I DON'T like other people (whites) shytting on us and manipulating his words for their disingenuous benefit.

 

[Medicate]

Simple, even though Bill Cosby is cool in my book, and has always been.

But specifically for speeches like these and critiques of our community and race.....You can never ask for solutions to a problem without getting to the ROOT. You just can't do it...ever, It goes against Natural Order.

Like when you see a dying plant....you just don't say " look at this nasty and ugly plant, why is it so ugly and nasty looking, what is wrong with it, oh my god...oh my god....why is the plant looking so ugly and nasty, it needs to look better"....but you never dig the fckin root out and plant another one...............or REPLACE IT....

 

[Gravity]

But here's what I think is getting lost in what Cosby said. Cosby acknowledged (at least tacitly) the systematic racism that is in effect in today's society. The fact that he was speaking at the 50th anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education shows that he knows why we're in the current situation. Cosby's point (or at least what I took from it) was that, despite the undeniable presence and legacy of systematic racism, many in our community haven't been doing enough since the landmark decision to help ourselves. He was basically saying, "yes, we have a bad hand but we're still playing the game badly." When he was referring to the lack of proper English being spoken by our youth, he was calling out the parents of the youth who failed (for whatever reasons) to be active in making sure that the youth take advantage of the opportunities they have (even if they're not as great as those enjoyed by the youth in dominant society). Again, we know that, unfortunately, in African American history, there's a serious disadvantage experienced by black Americans in countless ways. What I took from Cosby was that, despite that sad, unfortunate reality, the black community needs to be more proactive in achieving to succeed and that it needs to be hyper-vigilant of its behavior and mentality individually and collectively. He was imploring us to shed ourselves of the victim mentality and to just bear our cross.

I'm not going to deny that his comments were crude. And I'm not going to deny that his delivery was harsh and even judgmental. But I swear most people are missing the forest for the trees and accusing him of being short-sighted because he's turning the flashlight back at us and calling on us to take the mantle and make milestones and landmark decisions (like Brown v. Board of Education) work for us despite society's injustice. Most black people in America understand how black America got to the condition that is in today. And most black people are aware that society is inherently racist and uneven in terms of opportunities and legacy for blacks. Cosby was trying to tell us that, at the end of the day, we're responsible (collectively and individually) for how we conduct ourselves in our community.

Systematic racism has always existed and will likely always exist. But our community doesn't have to continue accepting depreciated standards of behavior and achievement.

You typed all of this bullshyt when it could've been summed up in this one sentence that you cosigned below. Your goal is to perpetuate white supremacy by downplaying it. "Sure white supremacy exists but blacks only use it as an excuse". You're worst than a cracker.

Systematic racism is a bullshyt copout.

 

[MVike28]

Another day another fukk nikka with a Cosby thread

If you and your crew of mental midgets can't detect that this speech was condescending, self serving, and aimed at the most vulnerable group among black folk then the joke's on you.

You dumb nikkas never fail..do you even understand how context applies? Can you not detect the ridiculing tone in his voice?

But no lets take another opportunity to self hate, and say we can do better. When the other side is killing black people in droves, and ridiculing us in the process.

Cosby wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire.

MAN GET THE ENTIRE fukk OUTTA HERE WITH THIS GARBAGE ASS THREAD.

 

[MVike28]

i can tell you what i'm not going to do, follow the path of the charles barkleys and bill cosbys of the world; trying to buddy up with a system thats designed to oppress me.

which is why cosby deserves every bit of whats happening to him, and i'll laugh when it eventually happens to barkley too

It already did.

They had that fat c00n in pink drawers when he got popped for that DUI in Arizona.

 

[Medicate]

And the root of Black People's problems is constant instigating and attacks by whites and their economic,educational and societal racism and injustices doled out through the job sectors,banking system, K-12 and even higher education, and through the judicial systems. All of these systems in place are supported and propped up by Capitalism and White supremacy which are intertwined with each other on a daily basis to make sure to keep out and allow in a certain sector,group and racial component that is always mostly non white.

Again until anyone that makes comments about our conditions in 2014 and beyond and even yesteryear, without so much as uttering a word about the CIA.FBI , and other law enforcement,government entities that are not only on record, but out in the open actively seeking and acting upon ways to kill Black people, prevent births, keep you drugged up, prevent the masses from getting higher educational access, brainwashing through hip hop,social media and television and film....It is also well known that the influx of Dope and other drugs and the gun influx was all input by the CIA in the 80's, which caused a ripple effect as they knew it would....so if these points as well as a lot of other intrusions by outside forces on the Black community are not pointed out, in these speeches, you will never be received in agreement until you show the REAL victim.

Cosby made great points that need to be utilized internally and make us aware of the mindstate we need to be in, but if the captor is not held accountable for its historical and present day attacks, then these types of speeches will fall on deaf ears of those that are going through it.

 

[DPresidential]

Maybe cause it was condescending..judgemental..stereotypical and hypocritical?...

The same words coming from someone who doesn't have a tone of, "I represent the upper echelon of Black Society & you should be ashamed of yourself" would definitely be a positive thing for our people.


To break it done in its simplest form...

Alot of what Ignorant white people say about the Social Ills of Black Urban Life... has some facts & truth to it. However, the their motives behind it are devious at worst & condescending at best, so fukk them. The same can be said about Bill Cosby.

Let's take Hip Hop...or more specifically "Gangsta Rap" at its infantile state. Bill Cosby was among the various Black professional entertainers who spoke 1. , in detail, about how destructive it was to the Black Community.

You know what, there is truth to it. However, when you paint the artists who created Gangsta Rap as ignorant animals of obscenity & depravity...by publicly smashing their CDs & speaking out against them with such vitriol... You show you truly don't care about anything more than showing how "holier than though" you are.

What would have possibly happened if the Civil Rights era entertainers & Black intellectuals would have appreciated this new craft, this new art in its rawest form. If they, including Bill Cosby, would have actually tried to listen to the records & seen the potential, as artists & activists for the Black struggle, that these creators of Gangsta Rap actually had. Their message of wanting the music to reflect a more realistic & "Sound of the Black Streets" would have had an air of love & compassion & an air of appreciation of the music as art...

I'm very optimistic that we'd see a different Hip Hop today... A much more powerful Hip Hop.

But no...they shamed these artists by sounding just like the people who benefited from the system that put Black people in that situation. So the reaction by the Black Youth, who created this art, and the Black Youth who loved it? They bought more, they consumed more & they didn't want you telling them it was trash.

And that is the problem w/ Bill Cosby. His message, coming from someone who truly cares about the Black people & simultaneously doens't feel like he's better than the lowest Black person...can change shyt if he had the influence & power that Cosby once had.

In a nutshell.

1. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-rap_cosby_thinkjun08-story.html

 

[William F. Russell]

You typed all of this bullshyt when it could've been summed up in this one sentence that you cosigned below. Your goal is to perpetuate white supremacy by downplaying it. "Sure white supremacy exists but blacks only use it as an excuse". You're worst than a cracker.

No, I'm not perpetuating white supremacy. I'm intepreting and addressing the points Cosby made in his speech. The fact that, after reading my posts in this thread, you came up with the BS that I'm siding with the white supremacist power structure shows that you're intellectually deficient and an ignorant c00n.

tl;dr: go fukk yourself.