Finally read Cosbys whole speech. Why would a black person disagree?

[Gravity]

Dude, you're out of order. You've lost all sense of reality. I've already explained ad nauseum in this thread that Cosby tacitly and implicitly acknowledged the role of white supremacy in the black community's current state of affairs in his speech. You're now looking for a disagreement and then demanding that the posters who disagree with you to apologize while you're labeling them "c00ns." You've pushed the cork back a bit too far now.

I'm done with you.

Now you're just flat out lying. At best, Cosby "tacitly" acknowledged racism which is pretty vague term in and of itself. He never once mentioned or acknowledged systematic white supremacy.

I read your bullshyt posts and they're not moving. The point that I've made is that Cosby failed to acknowledge the systematic white supremacy. Cosby stood up and wagged his finger at blafk people about the drop out rate. He didn't acknowledge the racist education/public school system that plays a big part in the black drop out rate. Cosby chastised blacks about the number incarcerated, but he didn't dare mention the prison industrial complex or the role that racism in the judicial system as a whole plays in the high incarceration rate. You're too in your feelings on some "you hurt my feelings" shyt to get what it. I'm not looking to disagree with you just to disagree. I whole heartedly disagree and think that your mentality is problematic. Cosby didn't speak the truth, he spoke half truths absent of any realistic solutions. He got on his soap box looked down on black people and basically said "stop blaming white people and do better". fukk your feelings. You're all in my notifications I've got all kinds of daps from you. Don't get cute.

 

[Poitier]

@Napoleon

this is why that check is needed. more education doesn't always land equal employment. we need a large influx of cash injected into the black community and begging white folks to hire us isn't going to work

check? good luck

 

[Poitier]

You can be in a suit, 10 degrees, millions in the bank and have a White spouse and the White supremacist state will still shoot you in the face with no penalty.

 

[CAC Dogg]

OK, sorry to hijack the thread, but it was really pissing me off. Here's the last one...if you're gonna scold a community, you better draw upon facts and highlight the good and bad, otherwise you're playing into a narrative that will ultimately be used against all of us, not just the ones you're scolding.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...g-hispanics-blacks/ft_14-10-01_h-s-dropout_1/

Hispanic and Black High School Dropout Rates Lowest on Record

http://mic.com/articles/87167/7-lies-we-need-to-stop-telling-about-young-african-american-men

The high school dropout rate for African-American males has actually hit a historic low. According to a 2013 Education Week study, about 62% of African-Americans completed high school in 2010 (the most recent year for which the necessary data was available), compared to 80% of white students. The increase represents a 30% narrowing of the gap between black and white high school students.

Indeed, African-American males are graduating at historic levels. According to the Schott Foundation for Public Education, "In 2009-10 the national graduation rate for black male students was 52%. The graduation rate for white, non-Latino males was 78%. This is the first year that more than half of the nation's black males in 9th grade graduated with regular diplomas four years later." At the same time, overall high school dropout rates have fallen steadily since 1990, and there is no indication that the rates won't continue to fall, given the trend over the past two decades.

none of the shyt you are spamming has anything to do with anything Bill Cosby said.

It doesn't follow that just because blacks are better educated than in the past, they should have the same quality of jobs. The world has changed you jackass, anyone could get a job in the 50s after the planet was virtually destroyed by WW2 except the US.

"systematic racism" IS a copout. That's so vague it means nothing at all. Anytime you find a chart that says black people are underemployed / disproportionately felons / disproportionately single mothers, you blame the White Man for everything and try to hide behind a big word like "systematic racism".

How does systematic racism have anything to do with 80% of black fathers leaving the house before their kids graduate highschool?

 

[filial_piety]

If I could I'd rep you because this exactly what I'm always saying. It can't be 2014 and dudes still using the same reasoning for why they can't get it popping that our grandparents had who definitely had it worse than us from an achievement perspective. We have the Internet and ability to do a lot of things from a success standpoint but some people still have "reasons" are honestly holding us back collectively. If we can't be real with each other or tell honest truths we are failing each other IMO. Its not like we don't know what the obstacles are its now at a time of what are you going to do to make it better for the future generations.

Thank the Lord someone is thinking this besides myself. This board is the biggest cry baby circle jerk I've ever seen on the net.

All they want to do is whine, and complain and complain and complain until we're all deaf in the ears. Like you said, we know what happened, we know how it happened and now we need to move on already. Jeez.

For some odd reason, this generation of the young and ignant millenials seem to think that they are bringing something new to this discussion. Everything that they talk about in these discussions had been discussed for generations, decades of not damn near a century. It seems like half the threads on here is all talk, talk talk, talk talk about how "oppressed" they are....It's time to wake the fuk up already...they need a reality check....NO ONE owes us anything...I don't care how many times Maya Angelou wrote about it...I don't care how many times Bishop Tutu speaks about it...and I don't care how many times Tariq Nasheed says it on his radio show...NO ONE is going to give you anything that you haven't earned. Period.!

The hard headed, quasi-pseudo intellectuals of the board need to let that sink in. White folks aint cuttin you a check that you haven't earned...and that's the way of the world. It's best that they realize that, work hard, invest in themselves and earn their keep...it is what it is.

 

[William F. Russell]

Now you're just flat out lying. At best, Cosby "tacitly" acknowledged racism which is pretty vague term in and of itself. He never once mentioned or acknowledged systematic white supremacy.

How have I lied? Dude, you're losing it.

Cosby was speaking to the NAACP for the 50th anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education. EVERYBODY present (including him) understood the role the white supremacist power structure played in the status of the black community. Moreover, they understood how the system continues to hold us down. Systematic racism is obviously a huge factor in today's society and everybody there knew it without having to say it. To even suggest otherwise if intellectually dishonest.

Cosby didn't speak the truth, he spoke half truths absent of any realistic solutions. He got on his soap box looked down on black people and basically said "stop blaming white people and do better". fukk your feelings.

So you're going to ignore when he repeatedly said throughout his speech that "We have to take our community back" and that "We must get to parenting"? Cosby was urging our community to hold ourselves to better standards individually and collectively. He was specifically commenting on how WE drop the ball collectively in situations that are within OUR control. At the end of the day, even with the presence of systematic racism, we, as individuals, are responsible for our own individual actions. At some point, we must take personal responsibility for our actions. What was wrong with what he said? How was it half truth?

You're all in my notifications I've got all kinds of daps from you. Don't get cute

Has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

Again, dude, let's agree to disagree. And leave me alone.

 

[loyola llothta]

daaamnn...

please don't tell me I'm witnessing a female poster speak highly of black males in America and provide stats......... while male posters are generalizing and stigmatizing black brehs - dikkriding Bill 'gatekeeper' Cosby, like some CACs

2014 poster

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

If you aren't being super nice or being funny we, sadly, don't want you to talk to us about the ills is in our community. If he had Madea out there wisecracking after every other paragraph it would be a non issue. But since it was all bluntness with no chill on the ether and most of all, because it rang true, butthurt folks had a problem with it. lol @ folks saying it was condescending. What kind of p*ssy ass bullshyt is that?

We do need to get our stuff together out here in these streets regarding the recent activities...but let's not behave as if we aren't on the hook for some shyt ourselves.

How can you call yourself a man, say a man pointing out actual wrongs is being condescending(simply because he isn't acting an ass while he does it; believe me...folks will tell you it wasn't the message it was the delivery), and still look at yourself in the mirror every morning? I really wonder about some of you kats.

Ol, he didn't kiss my ass while he berated me ass nikkas.

Ol, he was too mean ass nikkas.

Ol, I got a trophy in school simply for participating ass nikkas.

Cosby finally realized that being nice never got anybody anywhere. Say what you want, but people are still talking about this speech after all this time. The nice people have long been forgotten and written off as weak.

Only the strong survive.

the saddest part is everything you just said is true, breh.

a lot of us want ppl to kiss their behinds all the time, and tell them that we're kings and queens while they sit up on the block all day




our young girls idolizing Nicki Minaj ("barbies") and a bunch of dudes going crazy every time Wayne drop a track

Wayne & Nicki = "black excellence" to let some of these ppl tell it


but kings and queens, huh?

not in our current state. Not in our current state.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Meh, I don't look for ways to carry myself from a rapist.

And that's what this was all about.

Destroying Cosby's character and making him appear to be a "big bad rapist" so that all his messages of upliftment for black people would be ignored by us.

They couldn't destroy the message, so they attacked the messenger.

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

Another day another fukk nikka with a Cosby thread

If you and your crew of mental midgets can't detect that this speech was condescending, self serving, and aimed at the most vulnerable group among black folk then the joke's on you.

You dumb nikkas never fail..do you even understand how context applies? Can you not detect the ridiculing tone in his voice?

But no lets take another opportunity to self hate, and say we can do better. When the other side is killing black people in droves, and ridiculing us in the process.

Cosby wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire.

MAN GET THE ENTIRE fukk OUTTA HERE WITH THIS GARBAGE ASS THREAD.

Fukk nikka huh sucj colorful language. If they what he said would they be in a better place. they dont have to have underage kids or be in gangs or steal your know.

No one ask your contributions to the poor black community. But if I you are gonna claim cosby wount spit on me to put out a fire what have you done. Cosby has put millions of dollars toward the cause you claim hes being"condescending, self serving, and aimed at the most vulnerable group among black folk" about.

Funny thing is talkinh to a blaxk crowd. When white folks up black on black crime black say thats a separate convo for us to have . So cosby speaks on it to black at a NAACP convention and its still a problem.smh

Sorry he hurt your feelings breh.

Whos your fav rapper? It doesnt matter. Cosby is an entertainer amomg other things. The this is a hip hop forum. The backwardness in hip hop should stir up more of an outrage than cosby. But you comfortable with negative rap lyrics free"guilty person" t-shirts.

 

[William F. Russell]

And that's what this was all about.

Destroying Cosby's character and making him appear to be a "big bad rapist" so that all his messages of upliftment for black people would be ignored by us.

They couldn't destroy the message, so they attacked the messenger.

And what a lot of these scared n iggas don't understand is that their logic of refusing to heed Cosby's message because of these rape allegations (not even charges, mind you) is bass-ackwards when you consider that the black community has a long history of looking up to people who've had less-than-stellar backgrounds (and some with criminal records).

For instance, around 80% of all blacks are Christian. In the Holy Bible, individuals who committed depraved acts and had bad habits are some of the most exalted people in the Holy family. Before he became Paul, Saul persecuted Christians. King David committed adultery with Bathseba and killed her husband. Peter denied Jesus 3x before He was arrested and crucified. Yet, that doesn't stop black Christians from adhering to the Bible and looking up to these holy figures.

Another example, Detroit Red did every bad deed under the sun and landed himself in jail for fooling with white women before he converted to the Nation of Islam and became Malcolm X. Does Malcolm X's prior bad acts stop millions of blacks from revering him as an iconic Civil Rights leader to this day?

And what about Martin Luther King, Jr.? He cheated on his wife on multiple occasions. But blacks still look up to him and try to follow in his example.

When you consider all of this, it's astounding that many of us still refuse to listen to Cosby's words in the "Pound Cake" speech (or any of his criticisms of the black community) just because of rape allegations (not verdicts; not indictments). They continue to attack his character (and ignore his words) just because of his criminal past but these would be the same people who live and die by the Bible or adhere to the teachings of Malcolm X and MLK.

This is why I can't take a lot of these posters on here seriously. They do not understand that they're living contradictions and that their collective thought-process is illogical.

 

[NobodyReally]

none of the shyt you are spamming has anything to do with anything Bill Cosby said.

It doesn't follow that just because blacks are better educated than in the past, they should have the same quality of jobs. The world has changed you jackass, anyone could get a job in the 50s after the planet was virtually destroyed by WW2 except the US.

"systematic racism" IS a copout. That's so vague it means nothing at all. Anytime you find a chart that says black people are underemployed / disproportionately felons / disproportionately single mothers, you blame the White Man for everything and try to hide behind a big word like "systematic racism".

How does systematic racism have anything to do with 80% of black fathers leaving the house before their kids graduate highschool?

Copy and paste where I blamed the white man. I'm spamming shyt to put Cosby's speech in context. His generation was worse than ours in all of these areas. Things are improving (the point of my spams), yet his speech conveys there's been an abrupt decline. The stats refute that.

 

[Blackking]

the saddest part is everything you just said is true, breh.

a lot of us want ppl to kiss their behinds all the time, and tell them that we're kings and queens while they sit up on the block all day




our young girls idolizing Nicki Minaj ("barbies") and a bunch of dudes going crazy every time Wayne drop a track

Wayne & Nicki = "black excellence" to let some of these ppl tell it


but kings and queens, huh?

not in our current state. Not in our current state.

Our young ladies increase going to college and their graduation rates every year increase as well, income levels going up... they are trying to do better in every aspect, regardless of unfair circumstances...

However all you fakkits can focus on is how the white media told you nikki manaj is who they strive to be. You take the worst five percent and use that to generalize the mass of young black women.

Disgusting.

 

[William F. Russell]

Copy and paste where I blamed the white man. I'm spamming shyt to put Cosby's speech in context. His generation was worse than ours in all of these areas. Things are improving (the point of my spams), yet his speech conveys there's been an abrupt decline. The stats refute that.

Dumba ss, that's a given that people in his generation grew up in the segregation era of the 40s, 50s, and 60s. Because of this, blacks by default made less money than whites, couldn't attend the same schools, couldn't use the same facilities, and lacked the same resources as whites. Blacks were second-class citizens.

I would hope, after the Civil Rights Movement, that our generation surpassed theirs.

 

[Blackking]

Dumba ss, that's a given that people in his generation grew up in the segregation era of the 40s, 50s, and 60s. Because of this, blacks by default made less money than whites, couldn't attend the same schools, couldn't use the same facilities, and lacked the same resources as whites. Blacks were second-class citizens.

I would hope, after the Civil Rights Movement, that our generation surpassed theirs.

Just wow.

I hope someone addresses this because im officially done now.