Finally read Cosbys whole speech. Why would a black person disagree?

[marcuz]

The Irish in America.

 

[Huey Shootin]

A lot of people are butt-hurt that Cosby called out the black community for collectively dropping the ball, especially in the time periods since Brown v. board of Education and the Civil Rights Movement. Although systematic racism and discrimination plays a huge role in the black community's current state and dysfunction, Cosby was right for calling us all out and begging us to take personal responsibility for our decisions (by going to school, speaking properly, dressing accordingly, treating ourselves with respect, etc.) instead of begging white society to change or solely relying on God.

Needless to say, this message didn't go over so well with many members of the black community (nor did it go down well with the white liberal media). A major reason why the speech didn't go down so well is because white conservatives have utilized Cosby's speech to slam the condition of the black community. To many people, there was very little difference between Cosby's speech and Bill O'Reilly's rant against minorities.

However, despite the harsh delivery of Cosby's speech, one cannot validly argue that Cosby was lying or that he wanted to attack blacks. There was a great deal of unadulterated truth in his speech and the people who continue to hate on the substance of his speech obviously had their nerves struck (or are even guilty of what Cosby was speaking against).

At the very worst, Cosby's delivery was rude and judgmental. But the most objective person would find that the substance of his speech was nothing but the truth. Some don't like the truth, though.

Going to school...to learn their history.

Speak properly...in their language.

Dress accordingly...to allay their fears.

Everything you've mentioned is to elicit white acceptance.

 

[William F. Russell]

Going to school...to learn OUR history.

Speak properly...in THE ENGLISH language.

Dress accordingly...to NOT LOOK LIKE IDIOTS.

Fixed that for you, radical.

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

Yeah but brotha Farrakhan was always up front. He called out black folks and WHITE folks. He never cow towed for white people he called them all out. Don't ever and I mean ever compare Farrakhan to that former weed smoking wanting to appease white folks Cosby. Like I said before this the dude in the 60s and 70s who didn't want to touch racial issues because it would fukk his money up. But all of a sudden he wanted to speak out on black issues in the 2000s.

Naw homie you can keep your comments to yourself cause you ain't put in the work. No one gets made when Kats like Jim Brown or dikk Gregory call out black folks. You know why? Cause them brothas was on the front lines calling white folks out and fighting for black folks feedom back in the day. Them brothas gave up fame and fortune and had the FBI following they asses around. Plus had bigots trying to kill them back in the day. Cause they were fighting for black folks.

So Cosby can get the hell out of here with that shyt.

Exactly these coli Kats some of the dumbest on the Internet. Either they white dudes or young Kats who ain't older than 18. What mothafucaks in they right mind would compare Farrakan to Cosby. First white folks would never consign shyt Farrakan says and second Cosby ain't done shyt for black folks compared to the NOI. shyt them same uneducated, poor and former jail folks that Cosby hates the NOI and Farrakan believe these people can be saved and redeemed.

All I got to say is got damn some of these folks on here are dumb as fukk.

Gotcha. Then why aint his voice being heard. Why aint he reaching those blacks. He got the respect you want. He talk to you the way you want him to.

Where is the change at. Thats the point. Nobody can say anything unless its exactly who you want it to be. Now you got that person show me where he reaches these young blacks. And how they follow his words.

Oh yeah. It aint about change or awareness its only about if you shyt on whitety in the process. Cause we need that built in excuse that whitey didnt tell u to strap up after the 3rd child out of wedlock is born.

 

[Danie84]

To lambaste your people while omitting the systematic ailments that affects their plight, is not constructive criticism

 

[Still Benefited]

Nice try...but you're wrong.

1. Cosby's overall point was that you can't claim you're a victim when you've engaged in illegal/wrongful behavior. Moreover, he was speaking in hyperbole, not in the literal sense.

2. Mike Brown wasn't shot because he robbed the store of rollies. He was shot dead following a physical altercation with Darren Wilson outside of the store/in Wilson's squad car.

Stop being obtuse.

Physical altercations with the cops aint illegal?...Sure you aint making this up as you go now bruh...in what world is getting shot in the back of the head by cops ok?His speech basically tells me cacs and "the law" can do no wrong in his eyes...which leads me to believe he blames everything bad that has happened to the black community on us.

Government puts crack in our communitys.

"They didn't make you smoke tha pipe"

Technically that's true Bill

Ridiculous unfair drug laws put in place that destroy the black family along with the crack.

"They didn't make you sell those drugs"

Technically that's true Bill


The fact Bill seemed like he was sidestepping the hell outta history to ONLY blame us pretty much makes you feel theres no need to listen to him....makes him seem out of touch with realitys outside of his own,he sound like a racist if you wasn't giving him the benefit of the doubt that he's not racist becuz he's black...besides that folks never seen Bill really talk about race issues until all of a sudden he decide to start comin out hard like 8ball and MJG throwin haymakers at us...nawl nawl Bill you need to back up with that shyt

I forgot how mad this shyt made me,i was defending this nikka against these lyin azz women for a second too....the law and perception will work out just fine for ol WIlliam...black leaders called out blacks all the time and they didn't get called c00ns,dont act like people just picking on Cosby....your error here is looking at this shyt in retrospect/hindsight....go with your original gut feeling.

 

[Firefly]

People's complaint was that it was true but should have been kept in-house aka swept under the barbershop rug and not placed on front street embarrassing folks who felt that he was talking to them. basically felt guilty. You were either offended by what Cosby said or he wasn't talking to you.

 

[Yup]

Going to school...to learn their history.

Speak properly...in their language.

Dress accordingly...to allay their fears.

Everything you've mentioned is to elicit white acceptance.

No it's to bring blacks to a standard that they can be proud of. It's blacks like you that associate any sign of progress to whiteness. You sit on your electronic device posting on this site most likely created by white men...why don you reject it since it didn't come from blacks.

 

[rapbeats]

[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.701961)]
So you know whats up with white people being devils so what you trip'n on?

I read all your post. Im not sure i completely understand but i get where you're coming from.

I speak only from my experience. I have upper down to no class in my life to learn from.

I know aleast three women who had a kid in their middle teens. Fast forwad to present time both of them have one more kid by the same father whos not taking care of the first kids just cause they wanna have two kids by the same baby daddy. They all broke as shyt cause they cant afford the first kid let alone the second. But guess who they think isn't to blame.

Now tell me when do i tell them its white supremest that made them like this?

Now tell me, when they got someone to blame(whites) how do i tell them to do better?

Should i approach the situation like the thugs they date and respect or tell them they are queens and everyman should respect them and their body?

Nevermind the physiological damage the kids will endure and how it will shape their lives.

And thats just 1/3 of crazy female drama in the hood that goes un check or ignored.[/COLOR]

did i ever say no one should take responsibility for their actions? NOPE. didnt say that.

Let me explain.

If you free a slave that you never let read. what if the slave runs off and starts stealing to make ends meet. i mean in his mind thats all he can do. he doesnt have knowledge of books to do other things, the non blacks in society look down on him as an ex slave dummy. shoot the blacks look at him and each other as the same was well(brain washed).

This is reality. this is me telling you what you see is what you're supposed to see. I'm giving you real numbers. ODDS ARE nuccas will lose because of what the white man did to us. Thats just being real about it. not talking all this "what we need to do..." speak. there's a time and a place for that. and right now during all of this obvious cism we've seen as of late. i need my people to understand, NEVER forget where it all started. Because the moment you realize you were victimized and still are being victimized. then you can come to grips with where you are in life. just telling yourself to get better and even when you SEEM like it on the outside, you're still hurting on the inside. you need to heal your spirit first, your heart 2nd, your mind 3rd. it goes in that order. you cant heal the mind without the spirit and the heart. you're lying to yourself telling black folks to do better without telling them the truth about them being victims first.

Tell a promiscuous young girl to not be promiscuous but never address why she is how she is. she will end up going back to what she has always known. So to fix that person. you have to first find out where it started.

Oh it started when you step father diddled you and you tried telling ya mama but she acted like it never happened. So you were violated by a man that you should be able to trust. but what made it worse is your own mama chose him over you. the one who was supposed to protect you didnt. you need to come to grips this first. the moment you can do that. then you can move on to step 2. and lets start trying to change your behavior.

Cos was right, but cos and any other black person has to watch the order of their operations. Things in this world have a correct order if you want things to work out well. If you do it out of order, even if you mean well. it will not work right.

Everything starts at the foundation then builds up from there. no foundation, it wont matter how great the rest of the building will be. it will fall and crash to pieces with no foundation.

1st. blacks were victimized and still are victimized
2nd. in america and most of the world whites are running things. so in order for us to be at their level of success. they themselves have to allow us to be there. its their game we play. their economies. If you say we can have our own. ok fine. but do you know what that means? every thing that the white man has his hand in..he would have to take his hand out of those things voluntarily or by force.

DO we think he would give it up voluntarily? hell no.
so that means by force. are you ready for war? are you ready for war for 100 years straight?
Do you realize the white man has some serious weapons of mass destruction that could wipe us all out including himself? DO you realize a person with his mentality might just say the hell with it and think "if i cant have it, you cant... everyone goes up in smoke"
and lets say by chance there's a few black folks left over after this great war. those folks would have to start from scratch. you ready to start from scratch?

So now lets talk in reality since we're off the above crazy train.

If the white man has control, he has to choose to do the right thing. it has nothing to do with us. thats another lesson you need to learn as a black person. racism has nothing to do with how you act. THEY have to change, not you. stop trying to appease them. Be a good person in God's eyes and let that be that. keep it pushing.

now odds are they wont give us what we deserve. So we will have to grind three times as hard to do a lot better then we are now. but never do as well as bill gates and warren B. cause they aint letting us in like that. are we ready to grind THREE times as hard to do better but still not get what they have? NOPE. and you cant even be mad at a black person for feeling that way. black people are human like white people. if white people on average dont work 3 times as hard to get what they get on average. why should you have to? so thats a reality we have to recognize. If this is the case. that means a lot of us will not rise up like we want them to. and its not their fault in the sense that. you cant blame someone for not having the extra push to be 3 times the person they really are. thats not natural or normal. only a select few people can pull that off. and those that do also sacrifice other parts of their life to push that success later. someone is coming up short(family, something).

This is reality. not its all bad or its all good talk. the truth.

 

[MVike28]

Copout post^^^

Im not white so iknow you didnt read it breh.

Why do you continue to clump all "black folk" together? If you have 4 sons and one displays stereotypical black negative behavior do you punish all of them?

You sound white breh. All black folks arent the same and we dont all look alike.

Now I've heard it all. Wow. Check my post history you weirdo. How in the fukk can you remotely come to the conclusion that I'm white? Smarten up.

 

[rapbeats]

No it's to bring blacks to a standard that they can be proud of. It's blacks like you that associate any sign of progress to whiteness. You sit on your electronic device posting on this site most likely created by white men...why don you reject it since it didn't come from blacks.

actually you and the poster you were responding to are correct. remember what i said. we're all victims and are dealing with some sort of PTSD. Cosby included. that means even cos in his right mind trying to help black folks will toss in some white acceptance. Because at the end of the day thats how he was taught back in his day. "make sure you look good and speak properly..so THEY(white people) will respect you and you wont make YOUR people(black people)...look bad." the problem with this thinking is that we're taking the pressure off of the person who's doing the victimizing. you are the victim of spousal abuse. you're the wife. white man is the wife beating husband. the wife doesnt need to go around wondering what she can do better. its the wife beating husbands job to do that. he's the one beating the crap out of his wife. That mentality we have is a PTSD issue we go thru.

you say you dont have that problem? oh really.. .SO why is it everytime you hear about someone shooting up the place you start praying "please dont let it be a black person" ?

exactly. because its in you as a PTSD black person to always associate everything one black person does with all black people. now who does that? WHITE PEOPLE. they taught you that. humans should not have to identify with people of their same color every time those people do something bad. if that were the case, every time these white kid shooters do something crazy all white people should be profiled as crazy shooters. their not. you black person are the only one in that equation thats being profiled. only in your situation black person. where your skin color means when you do something bad you are setting an entire hue of people back. you never hear white people saying that when they show their racist ways. you dont hear liberal white guys saying "man these white boys from the south are setting the white race back with their hick ville racism"

they separate themselves and say "i'm not like that. thats those guys over there. not me or people like me"
But black folks are not afforded that ability.

 

[the next guy]

No it's to bring blacks to a standard that they can be proud of. It's blacks like you that associate any sign of progress to whiteness. You sit on your electronic device posting on this site most likely created by white men...why don you reject it since it didn't come from blacks.

where have you been lol, it's been too long

 

[Yup]

did i ever say no one should take responsibility for their actions? NOPE. didnt say that.

Let me explain.

If you free a slave that you never let read. what if the slave runs off and starts stealing to make ends meet. i mean in his mind thats all he can do. he doesnt have knowledge of books to do other things, the non blacks in society look down on him as an ex slave dummy. shoot the blacks look at him and each other as the same was well(brain washed).

This is reality. this is me telling you what you see is what you're supposed to see. I'm giving you real numbers. ODDS ARE nuccas will lose because of what the white man did to us. Thats just being real about it. not talking all this "what we need to do..." speak. there's a time and a place for that. and right now during all of this obvious cism we've seen as of late. i need my people to understand, NEVER forget where it all started. Because the moment you realize you were victimized and still are being victimized. then you can come to grips with where you are in life. just telling yourself to get better and even when you SEEM like it on the outside, you're still hurting on the inside. you need to heal your spirit first, your heart 2nd, your mind 3rd. it goes in that order. you cant heal the mind without the spirit and the heart. you're lying to yourself telling black folks to do better without telling them the truth about them being victims first.

Tell a promiscuous young girl to not be promiscuous but never address why she is how she is. she will end up going back to what she has always known. So to fix that person. you have to first find out where it started.

Oh it started when you step father diddled you and you tried telling ya mama but she acted like it never happened. So you were violated by a man that you should be able to trust. but what made it worse is your own mama chose him over you. the one who was supposed to protect you didnt. you need to come to grips this first. the moment you can do that. then you can move on to step 2. and lets start trying to change your behavior.

Cos was right, but cos and any other black person has to watch the order of their operations. Things in this world have a correct order if you want things to work out well. If you do it out of order, even if you mean well. it will not work right.

Everything starts at the foundation then builds up from there. no foundation, it wont matter how great the rest of the building will be. it will fall and crash to pieces with no foundation.

1st. blacks were victimized and still are victimized
2nd. in america and most of the world whites are running things. so in order for us to be at their level of success. they themselves have to allow us to be there. its their game we play. their economies. If you say we can have our own. ok fine. but do you know what that means? every thing that the white man has his hand in..he would have to take his hand out of those things voluntarily or by force.

DO we think he would give it up voluntarily? hell no.
so that means by force. are you ready for war? are you ready for war for 100 years straight?
Do you realize the white man has some serious weapons of mass destruction that could wipe us all out including himself? DO you realize a person with his mentality might just say the hell with it and think "if i cant have it, you cant... everyone goes up in smoke"
and lets say by chance there's a few black folks left over after this great war. those folks would have to start from scratch. you ready to start from scratch?

So now lets talk in reality since we're off the above crazy train.

If the white man has control, he has to choose to do the right thing. it has nothing to do with us. thats another lesson you need to learn as a black person. racism has nothing to do with how you act. THEY have to change, not you. stop trying to appease them. Be a good person in God's eyes and let that be that. keep it pushing.

now odds are they wont give us what we deserve. So we will have to grind three times as hard to do a lot better then we are now. but never do as well as bill gates and warren B. cause they aint letting us in like that. are we ready to grind THREE times as hard to do better but still not get what they have? NOPE. and you cant even be mad at a black person for feeling that way. black people are human like white people. if white people on average dont work 3 times as hard to get what they get on average. why should you have to? so thats a reality we have to recognize. If this is the case. that means a lot of us will not rise up like we want them to. and its not their fault in the sense that. you cant blame someone for not having the extra push to be 3 times the person they really are. thats not natural or normal. only a select few people can pull that off. and those that do also sacrifice other parts of their life to push that success later. someone is coming up short(family, something).

This is reality. not its all bad or its all good talk. the truth.

Sorry that's a speech for the defeated. The reason why blacks have to work three times as hard is because they do not set up a system to ease the next generation burdens. We are constantly starting from scratch with every generation.

 

[rapbeats]

Sorry that's a speech for the defeated. The reason why blacks have to work three times as hard is because they do not set up a system to ease the next generation burdens. We are constantly starting from scratch with every gemeration.

and thats a statement for a black person that does not know their history.

my parents parents laid a helluva foundation. my parents came thru and crushed the buildings. yet i see more single mamas then ever before. yet i see more black men in jail then ever before. yet i see black folks running from education and not running to it. WHY?

because the further you go along the more the youth realizes it was all BULL.... They saw their folks working 3 times as hard to get .5 the benefits. thats issh gets old real quick. You are actually supposed to request more. requesting more is not you working 3 times as hard. its you working 1 times as hard to get 1 times the payoff like your white counterpart. You can fight for that. Thats what your previous generation or 2 showed you how to do back in the 60's and 70's.

People think we're lazy. thats not it. we're pissed off that we dont get what we deserve.

how long should i keep working 3 times as hard to give .5 of the results? for how long? thats not what my previous GEns wanted. they wanted me to be in a better situation. but we're not. we're stuck. we've reached the ceiling. the white man said, hey shut up nuccas, i gave yall diddy and jayz. enough is enough. shut up already. the youth is saying that aint enough we want more. we're still looking for that equality. i work 1 times as hard to get 1 times the payoff. and until then i aint working hard. thats the mentality you see. its actually a fighters mentality. thats a sit in. sit ins effected you just like it effected those you were sitting in on. it effects us now the same way. no difference.

We are not asians that came over here voluntarily. We built this country from scratch alongside white folks. We deserve more, not less. So you wont ever see our entire group of people keep quiet and setup shop behind closed doors for our people. naw, we deserve open equality just like white folks. We deserve to go any where we want to go and be accepted as equal.

 

[Huey Shootin]

Fixed that for you, radical.

You didn't fix anything. We are taught neither our own history, from our civilizations in Africa to our enslavement and post-emancipation oppression in America, nor their history of stealing this land through genocide. Plenty of educated and positive Black men and women have dangerously wrong assumptions made about them because of how they talk and dress. So, fukkouttahere with your remedy to racism, which is little more than Black people acting white and treating as the superior model to aspire towards becoming.