Finally read Cosbys whole speech. Why would a black person disagree?

[Yup]

I am amazed and disgusted by this enabling behaviour.

 

[William F. Russell]

Rappers brag about making it despite the obstacles out here for blacks. Cosby blamed black people for not making it while ignoring the elephant in the room(white supremacy). It's also completely disingenuous to compare rap lyrics(entertainment) to a speech that was supposed to address serious socio-political issues. A lot of you are seriously dumb as fukk.

Agree to disagree.

 

[William F. Russell]

I am amazed and disgusted by this enabling behaviour.

Honestly, it's like talking to brick walls.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

First tv show i know of that didnt fit the white narrative of a black family is damaging? I know, he was looking down on blacks by not portraying blacks as poor like the whites usually wanna portray us. What about black colleges and also being black talking to blacks.

You quick to through that white man in the mix to discredit a black person aint you. You wanna throw donald sterling in there to hes won(bought them)awards within the black community also.Smh.

That's how silly the "he gave money so be has credibility" argument y'all are making is.

Y'all made that argument, not me.

 

[Gravity]

You can't be serious.

p*ssy

 

[intruder]

No generally speaking he's not correct.

Generally speaking who is he not correct about? He's not saiying this about ALL black people? He's not even saying it about the majority about black people. Did you read the sh!t, doggy?

 

[havoc]

The most effective speech is a speech that has solution. You could your run mouth all day across the nation and generalized a group of people, but if your not going to do any hands on project to fix the problems, your speech would become useless.

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

you dont get it.
its not 70% vs 20% and work 4 times as hard to catch and surpass the 70. sorry it dont work like that.

white man is at 70%. not elite white man but not that elite, not that intelligent, not that special. is at 70%.
your Elite black man is at 20%.. so guess where your not so elite, average joe black man is sitting? .... thats right, around 10 to 15%.

Elites will always be elites. average joes will for the most part be average joes. and theres' nothing wrong with that. its reality. STOP EXPECTING AVERAGE PEOPLE TO BE WAY ABOVE AVERAGE. its not going to happen. thats a pipe dream. it didnt happen in the 70's, 60's, 50's, 40's, etc.

You only remember the pictures and the books. you saw brothas and sistas with that black fist up, you saw them dressing well, some speaking well. So now you think MOST of them were like that. not so fast. Nuccas were living in watts during the 60's. hood nuccas. doing what hood nuccas do. the same thing that hood nuccas do in watts today. NO difference.

you're just being nostalgic because thats how the stories were passed down to us by our parents/grand parents.

The same 60's folks were some of the ones who got on crack, heroine, etc too at 40 when the 80's came thru . some of those Bpanthers were not all 100% perfect. They had issues too.

Thats just life. average people are going to remain average. ELITE will be elite. The unfair situation is that they are asking our average joes to be ELITE. but their average joes can remain average but reap the benefits far above even a lot of our elites.
There's no way to catch up to someone with those kind of rules, that also keeps changing the rules to keep you down.

Jordan was ultra rich and a star for a long time. but how long did it take them to finally give that guy a basketball team as an owner? and it was a black man who sold his team to him. how did that black man get it? they gave him an expansion team. a horrible team. so even in ownership black man is starting at 20%, while the white man is at 70%(lakers). there were other franchises that mike wanted to purchase. the bucks(at the time they were doing ok, and have a decent enough roster to work with. ) that owner virtually refused to sell the team to mj. and it wasnt about the money. we all know what it was.

and the nba is more progressive with race relations then most of the leagues. so if thats progressive how bad are the non progressive parts of society?

The reality is you will never get average people to become ELITE.

thats like asking a guy that was born with a low IQ to all of a sudden become super smart . not going to happen. or its like asking a 5'2 guy with no hops and no speed. to work hard and one day he will be in the nba. thats a flat out lie and its actually wasting his time telling him this. as well as messing with his mind once he cant reach that unattainable goal. give people realistic goals. if they show you signs of them being elite in some area. give them a bigger goal. so forth and so on.

Ill read this later i promise.

But experience what I experienced with that class of people for as long as i have and eventually you'll get frustrated and say shyt thats not polite or comepletly ignore them. I liken it to a relationship where someone not gonna change even though you both know whats rights. Eventually it will corrupt you to the point were you will ask yourself why do i even bother. Good luck breh.

 

[William F. Russell]

p*ssy

Calling me that doesn't make your arguments valid.

Thanks for conceding that you can't argue the facts. As I said before, I'm done with you. Please stop quoting me and baiting me into dialogue with you on this topic. Agree to disagree.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

If I just said I know how it works, that means that I'm not fallin for it. However, it's just as naive to think that the gap in out of wedlock rates are filled by people who just live together and not married also because that sure is not true.

Never said it was. There's a multitude of reasons for the disparity. It'll take plenty of quality research and analysis to find the real reason an what effect they have on the community.

All I'm saying is you can't pull that number out your ass and name any definitive statements about the status of the black family. Which is what you are trying to do by quoting that number.

 

[sun raw]

i believe i told you 気体化する

 

[William F. Russell]

The most effective speech is a speech that has solution. You could your run mouth all day across the nation and generalized a group of people, but if your not going to do any hands on project to fix the problems, your speech would become useless.

So was he not giving solutions when he said, "we need to do a better job parenting", "let's take control of our neighborhoods," and when he basically told us to take advantage of the opportunities created by Brown v. Board of Education? Did you expect him to give you a playbook or a blueprint?

And Cosby has invested millions into HBCUs and has created more jobs and opportunities for blacks than you and I ever could. He also significantly helped the image of black people in the media.

Some of y'all in this thread just don't get it.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

If that's what you got from his speech, I feel sorry for you.

Cosby was telling our community that "we" need to hold ourselves to higher standards


Semantics, semantics, semantics.

You really don't understand the shyt you type

This whole thread is about "semantics" or the meaning behind bill cosbys speech.

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

Generally speaking who is he not correct about? He's not saiying this about ALL black people? He's not even saying it about the majority about black people. Did you read the sh!t, doggy?

They didnt, thats why i made this thread. They not even posting quotes anymore, its all about the the tone now. These are the strong people who are gonna aid in overcoming white supremacy, offened by the tone. Smh.

 

[intruder]

The most effective speech is a speech that has solution. You could your run mouth all day across the nation and generalized a group of people, but if your not going to do any hands on project to fix the problems, your speech would become useless.

And that is where he failed. Again, i agree with him 100% but the WAY he says it makes it come across as condescending and the fact that he is not really offering up solutions makes it seem as if he is distancing himself from it

They didnt, thats why i made this thread. They not even posting quotes anymore, its all about the the tone now. These are the strong people who are gonna aid in overcoming white supremacy, offened by the tone. Smh.

I dont like the tone either. Doesnt mean hes wrong