Finally, the US admits it: AP classes are way too white

[theworldismine13]

Ignore points on group economics and entire threads on solutions so that you can Speak in CAC narrow minded rhetoric Brehhs.


You might be white - Only a white person would say the bold when nobody even said that.

You slave for white people and defend them... i live my life how i speak, don't like cacs so got w patnas and started firms...

You're the biggest defender of White supremacy and Western imperialism on this site..... and mostly c00ns dapp you up.....

So anything you say is with salt.

Group economics? I thinks that's too generic to deal with the issue of getting more black students into ap classes

I'm not white and I don't defend white supremacy

I wouldn't call it white imperialism but If you call me saying the us should dominate white imperialism, then yeah I do support white imperialism, I guess since you are one of the biggest defenders of Islam and in essence support Islamic imperialism my position riles you up

 

[Blackking]

Group economics? I thinks that's to generic to deal with the issue of getting more black students into ap classes

I'm not white and I don't defend white supremacy

I wouldn't call it white imperialism but If you call me saying the us should dominate then yeah I do support white imperialism, I guess since you are one of the biggest defenders of Islam and in essence support Islamic imperialism my position riles you up

Group economics can fix most of these issues in black education

 

[theworldismine13]

Group economics can fix most of these issues in black education

Hmmm, I'm not disagreeing but education is still seperate, part of the reason why group economics is slow in the black community is low education, in other words in order to increase the effectiveness of group economics you need more black kids in ap classes, it's a chicken and egg problem

But that's why I make a big deal about charter schools and vouchers, you can actually hit two birds with one stone, black educators can open up their own schools and make money and black kids can get better educations

 

[Consigliere]

I took 2 AP classes my senior year of high school. Latin & Art History. I took the exam for both plus some history course and maybe English or writing. Exam's were $75 each. Could have taken more but my mom literally couldn't afford it.

Based on my own experiences w/ trying to find ways to pay for AP exams & SAT tutors and really any other extracurricular or added education expense, I'd bet that some of what keeps minorities from participating at a higher rate is financial.

That's before you even get to whether or not your school prepared you.

 

[Serious]

@Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson

 

[shonuff]

i gotta disagree with the premise of this article which basically says AP classes should somehow get browned because theres not enough of them in it -

i too AP and i was one of a few black kids in it - but like all the other kids that were there its because i did the work to do it

the issue is consistantly that resources are allocated in different ways in different places - if i had gone to the HS that was zoned for me - they didn even HAVE AP classes because they had too little money and poor quality tools and the teachers were transitory or simply overwhelmed

i had a HS that i had a lab college level physics and chemistry and offered mathmatics as high as calculus - the school i came from trig and algebra at best and combined physics and chemistry

it does a disservice to simply place kids in AP classes when they arent prepared - and a lot of kids from the inner city ( ie black and latino ) arent prepared for YEARS previous to them getting to the HS level where AP is offered

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

i gotta disagree with the premise of this article which basically says AP classes should somehow get browned because theres not enough of them in it -

i too AP and i was one of a few black kids in it - but like all the other kids that were there its because i did the work to do it

the issue is consistantly that resources are allocated in different ways in different places - if i had gone to the HS that was zoned for me - they didn even HAVE AP classes because they had too little money and poor quality tools and the teachers were transitory or simply overwhelmed

i had a HS that i had a lab college level physics and chemistry and offered mathmatics as high as calculus - the school i came from trig and algebra at best and combined physics and chemistry

it does a disservice to simply place kids in AP classes when they arent prepared - and a lot of kids from the inner city ( ie black and latino ) arent prepared for YEARS previous to them getting to the HS level where AP is offered

This is my premise. You can't fake your way through these classes and it will be painfully obvious who should and shouldn't be in here. It is agreed that tools are lacking in predominately inner city schools. Many socio-economic things factor into that, I'm not discrediting that either. However, I see the apathy towards school. I think a lot of that comes from our parents. By far and large, how we came up into the middle class are entities like the steel mills, automotive, etc. Jobs that doesn't need high levels of academic attainment. Kids see this, see the benefits that these things afford and just try to emulate what their parents did.One thing that is missing is that their parents grew up in a different time. My mom, love her to death, used to always tell me that she didn't want me to work in the factory, that she wanted me to go to school. However, she really couldn't give me the insight on what I needed to do to prepare myself because she hadn't walked in those shoes herself so everything that I've done, I'm breaking frontiers for my family. Now, with MY kids, having been here, I can give them the game that white people have been able to give their kids for years, to help them success. Teach them the valuable lesson of networking, to never be afraid to try something new because you never know where your next opportunity will come from, etc...

Back to the topic of this thread though. We need to become more serious about school because we can seriously broach this conversation about AP classes.

 

[wheywhey]

i gotta disagree with the premise of this article which basically says AP classes should somehow get browned because theres not enough of them in it -

i too AP and i was one of a few black kids in it - but like all the other kids that were there its because i did the work to do it

the issue is consistantly that resources are allocated in different ways in different places - if i had gone to the HS that was zoned for me - they didn even HAVE AP classes because they had too little money and poor quality tools and the teachers were transitory or simply overwhelmed

i had a HS that i had a lab college level physics and chemistry and offered mathmatics as high as calculus - the school i came from trig and algebra at best and combined physics and chemistry

it does a disservice to simply place kids in AP classes when they arent prepared - and a lot of kids from the inner city ( ie black and latino ) arent prepared for YEARS previous to them getting to the HS level where AP is offered

I have noticed a disturbing trend of activists simply demanding that unrepresented minorities be placed in programs without the student meeting prerequisites for admission. It's not just AP courses but specialized high schools, and elite universities. There is almost no attempt to give students the education and guidance that they need to qualify for these programs.

 

[shonuff]

This is my premise. You can't fake your way through these classes and it will be painfully obvious who should and shouldn't be in here. It is agreed that tools are lacking in predominately inner city schools. .......

Back to the topic of this thread though. We need to become more serious about school because we can seriously broach this conversation about AP classes.

i think before we even start talking AP classes - we need to focus on how kids are educated long before and that means down to the grammer school level - yes parents play an important role - but 80 percent - hell 90 percent of a kids day is with their teacehr and school - and our schools now are at best warehouses and afterschool programs

education needs to be done better on an early level - im not talking about the travesty that is common core - ids are not prepared on a basic level -

expecting them and parents to somehow batten down the hatches by teh time HS or 8th grade has to start is simply too late -

and yeh there is a nasty tokenism thats passing as being problack /prominority where the emphasis is more on the appearance of equanimity rather than someone truely getting to a place based on merit

awarding AP spots by lottery or somehow expecting or demanding that AP classes resemble racial proportions or should have some of "us" there because it "looks bad" or 'makes othere feel bad" if they dont see someoen that looks like them there

its a road to hell -

small rant - this arguemnt about education stems from our societies whole obsession about hurt feelings and not hurting esteem ... in the words of a crude street philospher - fukk your feelings

ppl are so afraid today to have their "feelings" hurt - part of growing up of any growth is experiencing some pain and yeh suffering a bit - there is a perception in our society that things come easy or it shouldnt come with that much of a cost except what you are willing to pay ( and of course people being people noone wants to pay very much ) there is an obsession with style and appearance over any substance

fake asses fake t*ts fake friends fake clothes fake jeans fake jewelry fake furs fake housing products fake pictures ( photoshop) fake food fake achievements ( awards for attendance ?? team medals?? ) - the created reality is one that reinforces mediocrity and lack of effort as if its the same as someoen who invested hours and days or years of training

there is this bizaare axiom that gets promulgated - " my ignorace is just as valid as your knowledge " which is crazy - its like a twisted version of the mentality that drove the great leap forward where farmers were placed in charge of complex projects and the intelligentsia are sent into the fields to farm to "learn" how to be good citizens and let go of bougeouis ways...but at the same time we want all the trappings of being the bougeouis

so no wonder that people DONT like AP - and perhaps find this idea of it being awarded like some prize or proportionality based on who is or isnt in the population - the external pressure on somethign of any substance not really being what it is - is everywhere

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Get in where you fit in or keep it pushing. It's really that simple.

My best friend growing up was Jamaican, kid was in ap everything...but his mom's stayed on his ass 24-7, never let him chill on my block with the kids I hung out with, came in the crib one day and broke gran turismo 1 in half because he didn't do his hw and politely told me to go home. No surprise to me that he went to nyu and is now a successful attorney.

We grew up in the same neighborhood, I'm Indian, I was supposed to be the smart guy if we are going by stereotypes but I was a dumbass when I was young and didn't take school seriously....I thought just passing classroom tests and acing standardized exams would cut it....nope. luckily I wisened up in my early 20s and got my shyt together but I lost a lot of time I can never get back. Too many people out here making excuses for why they are fukked up in the game. Money will only get you so far.

 

[jilla82]

My HS was like 95% black (A Chicago Public HS)...we had AP classes.
I know its crazy, but the kids did well because their parents gave a fukk.

People like to throw money at all these problems..but its as simple as parents putting expectations on their kids.

You cant force kids into AP...after the first month they will be so far behind it will fukk up their head.

Why are Asians over represented in AP classes?

 

[jilla82]

Sometime I wonder if some of you grew up in the hood.

Have you actually been inside of a hood school?
Do you know any teachers in these schools?
AP classes is at the bottom of the list of issues needed to be addressed....most of these kids cant even sit still for 45min...let alone take AP classes.

Whats happening now in cities is they are putting up Technical schools that students test into (and also based on past performance)...so the smarter kids go to the schools where they can actually learn and be in an safe environment...the dummies get put into the neighborhood schools where they can do dumb shyt.

That system is probably for the best...so in a city like Chicago...you can be in the hood, yet go to a good highschool that will prepare you for college.
The issue is that if your parents aint shyt...you probably wont be shyt.
So you really cant blame the system anymore.

 

[shonuff]

Sometime I wonder if some of you grew up in the hood.

Have you actually been inside of a hood school?
Do you know any teachers in these schools?
AP classes is at the bottom of the list of issues needed to be addressed....most of these kids cant even sit still for 45min...let alone take AP classes.

Whats happening now in cities is they are putting up Technical schools that students test into (and also based on past performance)...so the smarter kids go to the schools where they can actually learn and be in an safe environment...the dummies get put into the neighborhood schools where they can do dumb shyt.

That system is probably for the best...so in a city like Chicago...you can be in the hood, yet go to a good highschool that will prepare you for college.
The issue is that if your parents aint shyt...you probably wont be shyt.
So you really cant blame the system anymore.

BINGO

you said pretty much the same thing i said - the issues in some kids education is far past where they see someone in a AP class-

if you are actually SEEING an AP class and you arent there - its because you dont deserve to be in one not because the "system" or the "man" is holding you back

the bulk of inner city kids arent seeing an AP class not because they arent smart - its becuase they got years of cut rate educating and some real social home issues to overcome

 

[Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson]

@Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson

i need to take a ap class. i dont undastand how to use all dese aps on dis ifone dat shon hannidy bawt me fuh 9/11.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Emphasis the importance of academics early in your childs life and reinforce it at home.

Set the standard. Anything less than a B in my home in unacceptable and my 7 year old knows it.

Far too many parents (all races) treat school as glorified daycare. The only thing is that our people don't place as much importance on education as others races. It's a fact. Look around at your own families. shyt is real.

The teachers can't do it all, you gotta reinforce what they learn in school at home. The best way to take these racist ass mufukkaz out is education and they know it. It's why they pump so much buffoonery towards our people.

The nikkaz who have made it...goto these schools and show our little sistas and brothas that they can be doctors, lawyers, engineers, businessmen, etc. Not just entertainers. We need to show them we have representation in these fields so that they can be inspired and take AP type classes to get ahead.