Flabby heads, how big was James brown

[TheBigBopper]

It was never a discussion, it was a lesson for you.

You came in talking like an authority, got put in your place, and got your feelings hurt.

Hope you learned something in the process.

No one put me in my place these shytheads trying to dispute couldn’t even follow my thread of logic and resorted to “white boy shyt” put downs. Not even worth continuing the discussion once that line is crossed. End of story.

 

[Art Barr]

No one put me in my place these shytheads trying to dispute couldn’t even follow my thread of logic and resorted to “white boy shyt” put downs. Not even worth continuing the discussion once that line is crossed. End of story.

@BigDaddyP

Do you own a vinyl collection?
to have someone show you how to dig in a crate properly?


Art Barr

 

[tuckgod]

To make it brief, James Brown is literally the Alpha of Modern Black music with no Omega. It all starts with him.
That is not hyperbole. That's why I said literally.

Big facts.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Is he the most influential artist of the modern era?

yes....almost every popular genre either domestically or globally after 1964/1965 has Brown's DNA in it even if most don't obviously realize it


james brown is the true foundation disco was born from because Funk music provided Disco with the groove, the long breaks, funky bass and its guitar style. Barry White and Philly Soul made the groove more straight 4/4 and the strings and hissing hi-hats. But Disco was essentially "watered down" Funk.


@ 10:26 james brown and the funk foundation

@12:33 talks about funk grooves and long extended breaks & improvisation

....white bread synth-pop music was also influenced by James Brown's funk, word to Kraftwerk





Kraftwerk were actually trying to imitate James brown/Funk through electronics

You mention how even though you loved black music it wasn't your sound. What's interesting is how, very early on, you were embraced by black America – or certain parts of the black American concert going public at least.

KB: "That happened not too long after my first encounter with Ralf and Florian. In 1975 we went over the Atlantic and spent 10 weeks on the road. We went from coast to coast and then to Canada. And all the black cities like Detroit or Chicago, they embraced us. It was good fun. In a way apparently they saw some sort of very strange comic figures in us I guess but also they didn't miss the beats. I was growing up with the funky beats of James Brown and I brought them in more and more. Not during Autobahn or Radioactivity but more and more during the late 70s. We took some black beats into our music and this was very attractive to the black musicians and the black audiences in the States. In a way probably it reminds me of what The Beatles did. They took some Chuck Berry tunes and they transferred it to our European culture before taking it back to America and everyone understood that. In a way that was probably what we did with black rhythm and blues. But we mixed it of course with our own identity of the electronic music approach and European melodies. And this was good enough to succeed in America.

The Quietus | Features | A Quietus Interview | Karl Bartos Interviewed: Kraftwerk And The Birth Of The Modern

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The influence of James Brown is something you’ve spoken about before, how did you manage to incorporate his rhythms into a style of music that was very different.

You just do it. Because if you do one thing for the first time, there are no footsteps in the snow. This was the funny thing, we had this idea of making in music the same thing as in animation pictures. You draw the whole world and you have the image of the world – but it all looks different, because it’s drawn. It’s not a photo of a duck – it’s a drawn duck. Or Mickey Mouse – it’s a drawn mouse. And then you have a tree, but it’s a drawn tree. And because of that you change from a realistic point of view into something else, which is a jotting of it, a concept of the world. It’s not real. And then you can explain things much better.

So, James Brown. If you use this artificial environment of synthetically generated sound, and you use the same off-beats taken from James Brown, it sounds familiar but different. It’s the same off-beat but somehow everything is changing, because it’s a new texture. But it’s the same timing [taps on the table], it’s the same rhythm. But it has changed, somehow it has this twisted thing. Tarantino. He gives us a very well-known character, but the hero now is a black guy: Django Unchained. So the main character is suddenly black, and it’s really cool because it gets a twist, and you can’t relate it to anything you’ve seen before. And that’s what we did. Through the different texture it got a twist.

In Simon Reynolds’ rave culture book Energy Flash, Carl Craig says, “Kraftwerk were so stiff, they were funky”…

We had the offbeat, and you have to know how to place offbeats and not exaggerate them. Sometimes, if people are really good drummers, they make so many offbeats they just wipe each other out. But if you have just one offbeat, and you repeat it every four bars, then it becomes so strong it becomes a formula. And I’m always after a certain formula that you can repeat in your mind. It’s just the right offbeat at the right time.

I think there’s an element of repetition in James Brown’s music that’s also relevant…

Johnny Marr told me this funny story. There was a new guitarist who wanted to be part of James Brown’s band, and the old guitarist said to him, “Hey guy, can you play this on the guitar? Bee-be-de…bee-be-de…bee-be-de…”. And the new guitarist says ‘Pffft, that’s easy’. And the guy says, ‘Yes, it’s easy, but can you play it for three hours?!’.

Interview: Karl Bartos - The Monitors

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an entire batch of music revolving around breakbeats (funk )

even the non-musical impact was big

Two girls in Bamako, Mali with a copy of James Brown‘s Live at the Apollo, Volume II. Circa 1968.




A panel pays tribute to the musical legacy of James Brown. During the 1960s James Brown gained the titles "Godfather of Soul" and the "Hardest Working Man in Show Business." Brown's sound reflected the nation's generational struggle, and his influence reached across the Atlantic to Bamako, Mali, where his style and music became a source of inspiration for the growing youth culture. It was this vibrant culture that Malick Sidibe dynamically captured through his photographs.


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Seu Jorge says disco and funk had a huge impact on him growing up at that time. In fact, he says funk changed the way black Brazil saw itself. "There's a lot of African soul in Brazil. When James Brown arrived, it's like a door opened for us."

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[Budda]

yes....almost every popular genre either domestically or globally after 1964/1965 has Brown's DNA in it even if most don't obviously realize it


james brown is the true foundation disco was born from because Funk music provided Disco with the groove, the long breaks, funky bass and it's guitar style. Barry White and Philly Soul made the groove more straight 4/4 and the strings and hissing hi-hats. But Disco was essentially "watered down" Funk.


@ 10:26 james brown and the funk foundation

@12:33 talks about funk grooves and long extended breaks & improvisation

....white bread synth-pop music was also influenced by James Brown's funk, word to Kraftwerk





Kraftwerk were actually trying to imitate James brown/Funk through electronics




The Quietus | Features | A Quietus Interview | Karl Bartos Interviewed: Kraftwerk And The Birth Of The Modern

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Interview: Karl Bartos - The Monitors

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an entire batch of music revolving around breakbeats (funk )

even the non-musical impact was big


The non-musical impact James Brown had globally is mad slept on and it was years before Marley blew

Two girls in Bamako, Mali with a copy of James Brown‘s Live at the Apollo, Volume II. Circa 1968.




A panel pays tribute to the musical legacy of James Brown. During the 1960s James Brown gained the titles "Godfather of Soul" and the "Hardest Working Man in Show Business." Brown's sound reflected the nation's generational struggle, and his influence reached across the Atlantic to Bamako, Mali, where his style and music became a source of inspiration for the growing youth culture. It was this vibrant culture that Malick Sidibe dynamically captured through his photographs.


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NPR Choice page

Damn bro you might the best poster on this site.

 

[Will Ross]

You don’t even have to be old to know James brown was that dude. What I find sad is how we really don’t respect our legends like we should

 

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[Ace Money]

I guess why James Brown is so big is because he didnt exactly lay a genre out
he literally layed a feeling, like a philosophy in music... You could technically apply his groove to Miles, Jimi, Chuck etc's music.

music wasnt super tight like that with a theory behind it
you had 12 bar blues, some tighter songs that just were what they were. But James was like "this is what it is and this is how we do it"

wasnt gonna write it but whatever... James Brown is like the Bruce Lee of music ... he birthed alot of "fighters" with his philosophy. alot of cats can "fight" but they didnt conceptualize the philosophy behind the movements.

Perfect analogy. "You can borrow the template, but can you duplicate the vibe?"

 

[Take It In Blood]

Is this real, frfr?



Art Barr

his moms grew up listening to Nelly and the St. Lunatics

 

[Charlie Hustle]

Even tho he smoke crack and beat women he always got respect for this song and dancing on cac

He didn't beat women. He was just playing and ain't nothing wrong with freebasing some cocaine. Its from the earth

 

[Luke Cage]

The fact the everyone started debating his influence when you asked how big he was instead of people making sus jokes about the thread title should tell you how big he was when you consider how immature we are in this forum.
You only compare him to people like MJ and shyt. Rushmore level

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

James Brown literally influenced everyone bruh. Parliment, Hendrix, Bob Marley, Rick James, Michael Jackson, Prince, even into the 90's when white boys had they boy bands where you think they got they dance moves from and shyt? From how people dress amd speak, how they perform their music, how their music sounds all of it is influenced by James Brown bruh.

 

[Seoul Gleou]

without JB, there is no MJ, no Prince, no Usher, Chris Brown, etc.

he's the Godfather of Soul for a reason. you aint even gotta be to know that.

that's just basic music history

 

[invincible1914]

He talking like James Brown was Biggie or something. James Brown been dead almost as long as I've been alive.

He died in 2006 almost 10 years after Biggie.

 

[Art Barr]

Profoundly prolific posting in this thread.


Art Barr


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