For people trying to put Curry, Lebron, Kobe on MJ's level all I have to do is sum it up with..

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in the 98 finals? pippen was struggling with back issues throughout the series. There was a chance he wasn't even going to play game 7. He gutted the hell out of that series though. Phil didn't make some all world move involving pippen that changed the tone of the series like kerr did with inserting IGGY into the lineup.

the bulls were up 3-1 and blew game 5 at home and pippen's back issue crept up in game 6 to the point in which he had to leave the game and get treatment on his back and come back. Pippen was awful offensively in game 5 shooting 2-16 but he still managed 11 rebounds and 11 dimes. If he made 2 more shots the series would've been over. MJ was awful in game 5 as well for reference. Kukoc balled out that gmae and malone finally beat dennis in that game
 
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in the 98 finals? pippen was struggling with back issues throughout the series. There was a chance he wasn't even going to play game 7. He gutted the hell out of that series though. Phil didn't make some all world move involving pippen that changed the tone of the series like kerr did with inserting IGGY into the lineup.

the bulls were up 3-1 and blew game 5 at home and pippen's back issue crept up in game 6 to the point in which he had to leave the game and get treatment on his back and come back. Pippen was awful offensively in game 5 shooting 2-16 but he still managed 11 rebounds and 11 dimes. If he made 2 more shots the series would've been over. MJ was awful in game 5 as well for reference. Kukoc balled out that gmae and malone finally beat dennis in that game
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This really doesn't answer the question though. Do you recall how dominant Pippen was during the first four/five games on the defensive end - especially Game 3?
 

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Curry's 14/15 postseason > the majority of postseasons where Jordan didn't win a title.

that's crazy.

I won't even look at his first 3 seasons in which he went 1-9 with the cast of players he had playing against those great celtic teams in the playoffs.

Let's look at 88-90 when the bulls advanced in the playoffs and lost to the pistons each time.

1988
36 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assist, 2.4 steals, 1 block 53% from the field - in what world is curry seeing this?

1989
35 points, 7 rebounds, 8 assist, 3 steals, 1 block, 51% from the field - :mjlol:

1990
37 points, 7 rebounds, 7 assist, s teals, 1 block 51% from the field - :mjpls:

if your giving curry the "he won a championship bonus" then I won't argue with you. But tic for tat, stat for stat MJ was superior and it isn't even close
 

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This really doesn't answer the question though. Do you recall how dominant Pippen was during the first four/five games on the defensive end - especially Game 3?

game 3 the bulls won by 40 points. The jazz were bad at all positions. that was a team effort defensively. You can't say 1 man held the jazz to 54 points.
 
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game 3 the bulls won by 40 points. The jazz were bad at all positions. that was a team effort defensively. You can't say 1 man held the jazz to 54 points.
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Even Jordan would laugh at your dumbass for saying Pippen didn't have a great performance in Game 3. I said Pippen was the MAIN reason, not that he was the SOLE reason for holding the Jazz to under 60 points. Harper, Burrell, MJ, Kukoc and all the other role players played understanding defense. Still doesn't take away from the fact that Pippen was the most dominant player on the defensive end. He was like a man possessed during that game, and it was probably half the reason why he aggravated his back due to the amount of times he was putting his body on the line

I re-watched this Finals series (along with a few others) prior to the start of this season. It wasn't a figment of my imagination. For anybody to claim that he didn't have a good game in Game 3 - I truly question their ability to value defensive impact. Never mind the fact that Jordan took a backseat on the defensive end during that postseason too.
 

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Even Jordan would laugh at your dumbass for saying Pippen didn't have a great performance in Game 3. I said Pippen was the MAIN reason, not that he was the SOLE reason for holding the Jazz to under 60 points. Harper, Burrell, MJ, Kukoc and all the other role players played understanding defense. Still doesn't take away from the fact that Pippen was the most dominant player on the defensive end. He was like a man possessed during that game, and it was probably half the reason why he aggravated his back due to the amount of times he was putting his body on the line

I re-watched this Finals series (along with a few others) prior to the start of this season. It wasn't a figment of my imagination. For anybody to claim that he didn't have a good game in Game 3 - I truly question their ability to value defensive impact. Never mind the fact that Jordan took a backseat on the defensive end during that postseason too.

this is asinine .

Jazz (54) at Bulls (96), Jun 7, 1998

everyone on Utah had a bad game. To credit that to 1 man is crazy.

did pippen force karl Malone into all 7 of his turnovers? did pippen concurrently hold Stockton to 1-4 shooting, ostertag to 1-7 shooting, Russell to 1-7 shooting, and jeff to 3-8 shooting at the same time?

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this is asinine .

Jazz (54) at Bulls (96), Jun 7, 1998

everyone on Utah had a bad game. To credit that to 1 man is crazy.

did pippen force karl Malone into all 7 of his turnovers? did pippen concurrently hold Stockton to 1-4 shooting, ostertag to 1-7 shooting, Russell to 1-7 shooting, and jeff to 3-8 shooting at the same time?

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What part of he was the main reason (i.e. the player with the most defensive impact), and not the SOLE reason don't you understand? :jbhmm:


He was drawing charges, roaming around the perimeter running in and out of passing lanes like a free safety, pressing up on Stockton - forcing him to give up the ball before running sets, hounding Malone on the block, ball-denial on Hornacek, contesting shots at the rim/on the perimeter. That's just off the top of my head.

Found a few articles (based on Game 3) -
THE N.B.A. FINALS: At Every Turn, Jazz Finds Pippen; The Bulls' Consummate Defender Picks Apart the Pick-and-Roll

Scottie Pippen was buzzing John Stockton like an annoying gnat in the backcourt, filling the passing lanes the way Coach Jerry Sloan wishes his players would and taking a charge from Karl Malone under the basket. On the next Utah Jazz possession, Pippen caused more havoc.

''He is probably the only guy in basketball who draws offensive fouls anymore,'' Sloan said today. ''He had a ton of them last night, I think eight or nine. That was about as good a display of being able to step up and take a charge as you'll see.''

Antoine Carr, the veteran Jazz forward, added, ''Scottie is everywhere.''

Pippen, a roving linebacker in high-tops, is using the finals to reaffirm his position as the game's most complete and chaos-inspiring defensive player. On Sunday night, he was largely responsible for the lowest scoring total in National Basketball Association history since the advent of the shot clock, when the Chicago Bulls pulverized the Jazz, 96-54, to take a two-games-to-one lead in the four-of-seven-game series.

Pippen roamed the floor, spreading his 6-foot-7-inch angular body from player to player on the Jazz roster. Twenty-six Utah turnovers and an unprecedented finals rout later, everyone wanted to know how one player could cause such disruption.

THE N.B.A. FINALS: At Every Turn, Jazz Finds Pippen; The Bulls' Consummate Defender Picks Apart the Pick-and-Roll
Based on Games 3/4 and the series up to the point -
What about Pippen for NBA Finals MVP?

Forget about waiting until the last bit of unfinished business is completed Friday night, when the Chicago Bulls in all likelihood will wrap up this whole thing for the sixth time. Bag the pomp and circumstances and the official balloting, too. No need for all those time-consuming formalities.

Just hand him the 1998 NBA Finals Most Valuable Player trophy right now.So you're tired of Michael Jordan getting all the recognition, all the glory, all the accolades? Then try this for a change: Scottie Pippen, MVP.

Sure, Jordan, owner of five Finals MVP trophies, again led the Bulls in scoring with 34 points. His Airness also served as a defensive terror against the Jazz.

But if Pippen's defensive performance in Game 3 didn't convince you that he's worthy of being named MVP of the Finals, then what he did on both ends of the court in the Bulls' 86-82 Game 4 victory should have clinched the vote.

Pippen impressed Jerry Sloan.

"He was sensational," said the Jazz's coach.

After scoring just 10 points in Sunday's record-setting shellacking, Pippen was even more efficient offensively than Jordan Wednesday at the United Center. He scored 28 points on 9-of-18 shooting overall and went five-for-eight from beyond the arc. Jordan needed 27 shots from the floor and 15 from the free-throw line to get his total.

Pippen, who is much healthier now than he was a year ago in the Finals, carried the Bulls' offensive yolk for much of the first half. In the first quarter, he scored six of the Bull's first eight points by swishing two 3-pointers. He also crashed the glass early on, grabbing three offensive rebounds in the first three minutes. At one point, Pippen had three offensive boards while the Jazz were still waiting for their first rebound to fall in their hands.

He ended the first quarter and opened the second with a personal 8-0 run by nailing a trey, hitting an inside shot and then drilling another 3-pointer to give Chicago a 26-19 lead. Bryon Russell interrupted his scoring exhibition with a three, but Pippen kissed a banker off the glass on the Bulls' next possession. That concluded his one-man shooting show.

At that point, with 9:32 left in the second quarter, Pippen had scored 16 points and grabbed four rebounds - and he threw in one steal for good measure.

"He did a terrific job getting in the open court, pulling up and taking the 3-point shots, and got in a great rhythm," Sloan said. "We had a difficult time trying to guard him."

And that was just half the court.

"Defensively, he puts tremendous pressure on you. . . . He caused us a lot of problems, I think everybody is aware of that. We're aware of it," Sloan said. "We have trouble with him every time we play. And I don't know what more you can say. You can put him on any player on the floor, and he's going to do a terrific job defensively."

That versatility amazes ESPN basketball expert Dr. Jack Ramsay, a longtime coach in the NBA. Ramsay ranks Pippen among the outstanding defenders in the history of the game. Right there with K.C. Jones, Mel Hutchins, Satch Sanders and so on.

"I can't conjure up anybody who does all the things that Pippen does as a defender. I mean, he can defend anybody," Ramsay said. "We've seen him defend point guards and take them out of their game, two guards and deny them a shot, small forwards, big forwards. The only player that I haven't seen him defend well is the opposing center. I think he'd have a hard time with Shaq."


But the Jazz obviously don't have Shaq. And, for that matter, they don't have a dominating player right now - not even Malone, in part because of the suffocating defensive pressure the gangly, athletic 6-foot-7 Pippen and his teammates have been applying.

"Scottie has done a lot in terms of relieving some of the pressure off of me," said Jordan. "Defensively, he's the key component for us. He's a recovery. And we give him the authority to do whatever he wants on the defensive end . . . He can disrupt anybody's offense, really. And tonight was a great example of that."

What about Pippen for NBA Finals MVP?

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Curry's 14/15 postseason > the majority of postseasons where Jordan didn't win a title.

This is neg worthy

EDIT: Why are you trying to even argue for Curry in this comparison? This is Curry's time but he may never amass enuff accomplishments to even be mentioned in the same breath as Jordan and you're tying to compare them with Curry's 1 ring and 0 FMVP.
 

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So much struggle posting. I can't imagine it being worse than this when the heat were on top. It couldn't have been worse, could it?
fukking hate this portion of the website during NBA season :snoop: shyts almost unbearable
 

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fukking hate this portion of the website during NBA season :snoop: shyts almost unbearable
It's always the Kobe stans too. Knicks fans that aren't shyt posters can sometimes keep it real while hating. Bulls fans ain't too bad. Texas team fans are kinda obnoxious, but I've seen far worse. The Kobe stans though :scust:
 
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if your giving curry the "he won a championship bonus" then I won't argue with you. But tic for tat, stat for stat MJ was superior and it isn't even close
I was only really poking fun at the OP - who created a straw man argument by showing Jordan's postseason resume as if anybody was comparing his to Curry's in the first place. I mean if we get down to all the base stats, time on court, dissect how many points each player created for their team (offensively speaking) etc etc - his 14/15 postseason probably compares to a few non-title runs but that's besides the point.

The point was to illustrate how nonsensical, cheap and unfounded this thread was to begin with. Nobody ever argued that Curry's career (postseason or regular) was even comparable to Jordan's. Most of these dudes fail to realize what Jordan references/comparisons are being used, then in turn taking as if it means he's being compared to him defensively or how many accolades/stats he's earned over his career.
 
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