From a purely logical perspective how does Jesus being God even make sense?

[Still Benefited]

The way i interpret, God is within all of us and all around us. Jesus is the son of God but we are all the "children of God". So it's kinda like God would be the sum of all consciousness and all of science, physics, absolute truths, etc. which is why as humans we cannot "see" God because it would be like staring at everything that exists, has existed, will exist and accessing the sum of all lifeforms' consciousness throughout the universe. It's impossible and our brains probably wouldn't be able to process all that data. But our beings are part of it so when you pray, yes in a way you are partially praying to yourself.

I think Jesus in the Bible understood these concepts on some level based on the level of knowledge at the time and he was trying to break it down to his contemporaries but in a way they would understand (by using metaphors, parables, etc.).;

This is just my theory of how to make it all logical. I'm not saying I'm right or that Jesus existed for sure exactly as described in the bible. Just trying to make logical sense of the story if the bible.

Well said,must be one of the chosen


Theres a reason Jesus is portrayed as a ghost in the bible on several occassions. He may have been an actual person,but its really not important whatsoever imo. The "Son" of God,is just "The Spirit" of God. The bible says the spirit was sent down to earth before Jesus ever existed,and Jesus said "the helper" would be here after him. Theres only one mediator between us and God and its the spirit which is God. When "Jesus" speaks,hes not speaking as a human vessel,the Christ Conscience is speaking through him. So he literally is God,if you as a human can seperate from your attachment to your phsyical body

 

[The Realist Perspective]

My interpretation:

Jesus is the ambassador for Yaweh and the example for us to follow in general.

He's not the devil, the devil causes confusion and is a liar.

You're not supposed to worship Jesus.

To go through him means to live as he did.

People's prayers are answered by whichever god they are serving. Doesn't matter which one either. You'd be surprised by folks from all beliefs and cultures having their prayers delivered.

But that's your interpretation. The literal bible says otherwise.
Nowhere in the OT is Jesus mentioned. Not even once.
Jesus and his disciples / early followers have caused confusion and would be a liar to claim the things he does or stands for.
No worship? What is Communion, Eucharist, The Lord’s Supper, Breaking of Bread, Holy Communion, The Sacrament of the Altar, The Divine Liturgy, The Mass, The Agape Feast, The Memorial of the Lord’s Death, The Holy Mysteries, The Table of the Lord?
A lot of people are confused whether Jesus is the most high God, who is allegedly Yahweh according to the OT.
They believe Jesus to be his name, they know the name Jesus, rather than Yahweh. The whole trinity, found no where in the OT, arguably in the NT too.
Jesus said when praying, you must pray in his name, in order for your prayers to be heard by supposedly Yahweh.
John 14:6, where Jesus says:
“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
John 14:13-14, Jesus says:
“And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.”
1 Timothy 2:5, Paul writes:
“For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.”
It's interesting, the difference of depiction of Jesus, from John compared to all of the other gospels.
You know in all of the other gospels, Jesus never says that he is the messiah, but in John he does?
Do you know that Mark and Luke never met Jesus but were merely companions of Paul?
Do you know that Paul never met Jesus, was not a prophet yet wrote 25% of the NT?

Peoples prayers are answered, sure, but will they be answered by a useless god? A god that isn't even a god?
People pray saying Jesus, when that was not even his name. What's the difference praying to just any name?

 

[TEH]

How is Christianity black?

In the Bible it is in Africa before it’s in Europe

That was when Africa was all black ..

Before the invaders

 

[The Realist Perspective]

In the Bible it is in Africa before it’s in Europe

That was when Africa was all black ..

Before the invaders

Okay fair enough. But it doesn't make it black. All Abrahamic religions are of the middle east, Iraq to be exact.

 

[DJSmooth]

Jesus was the fleshly manifestation of God not actually God.

1. He was perfect and never committed any sins.
2. God gave him powers to make people believe in him. That he was sent here to save his people.
3. We are all God's children.
4. He was here to form a new Covenant with his chosen people.

 

[Ish Gibor]

im talking pure logic here. Please refrain from the typical "it's all fairy tales" and etc etc. So Jesus was praying to himself on the cross? He's God but doesn't even know the time or day or his own return? When he said he was going to the father he was really talking about returning to himself? He's God but feels the need to pray to himself?

You need to know the meaning of the Holy Trinity.

The Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

It’s not supposed to make sense. It goes beyond common sense.

 

[Devilinurear]

Just wish Jesus a happy birthday tomorrow and spend time with your family tomorrow

 

[Black Hans]

God is a triune Being. The Word of God is a Being in the Old Testament. In the new testament, He becomes the human Jesus Christ. This is like, the beginning of the Gospel of John

Humans are triune, too. There's an interdimensional part of us that interacts with the other realms. DeGrasse tried to explain this to people like it's news but it's been known already by believers

 

[TheKongoEmpire]

brehdom has been on this planet circa 100 - 200K years.

for 90% of that time brehs were sitting on their hands waiting for gringos to bring the truth to them. according to some on here.

not only did gringos bring their "truths" they also defined those 100K+ years of black philosophy and religions useless, evil and wicked.

now brehs want to argue for those gringos.

you couldn't make it up




chineman has his own.

japanese man has his own.

meanwhile ...

Kneegrows dressing up like Power Rangers and literally blackfacing a foreign religion. Crazy really.

 

[timeless]

But that's your interpretation. The literal bible says otherwise.
Nowhere in the OT is Jesus mentioned. Not even once.
Jesus and his disciples / early followers have caused confusion and would be a liar to claim the things he does or stands for.
No worship? What is Communion, Eucharist, The Lord’s Supper, Breaking of Bread, Holy Communion, The Sacrament of the Altar, The Divine Liturgy, The Mass, The Agape Feast, The Memorial of the Lord’s Death, The Holy Mysteries, The Table of the Lord?
A lot of people are confused whether Jesus is the most high God, who is allegedly Yahweh according to the OT.
They believe Jesus to be his name, they know the name Jesus, rather than Yahweh. The whole trinity, found no where in the OT, arguably in the NT too.
Jesus said when praying, you must pray in his name, in order for your prayers to be heard by supposedly Yahweh.
John 14:6, where Jesus says:
“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
John 14:13-14, Jesus says:
“And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.”
1 Timothy 2:5, Paul writes:
“For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.”
It's interesting, the difference of depiction of Jesus, from John compared to all of the other gospels.
You know in all of the other gospels, Jesus never says that he is the messiah, but in John he does?
Do you know that Mark and Luke never met Jesus but were merely companions of Paul?
Do you know that Paul never met Jesus, was not a prophet yet wrote 25% of the NT?

Peoples prayers are answered, sure, but will they be answered by a useless god? A god that isn't even a god?
People pray saying Jesus, when that was not even his name. What's the difference praying to just any name?

That's all it is. Whether he was mentioned or not is up for debate, since there are people who do believe he was and they use scripture to substantiate their claims. I don't care too much, I would just think Israelites/Jews would be grateful that Jesus awarded them grace from Yaweh since they're always getting on his bad side lol.

If they are answered then how could their god be useless? There are countless gods that exist in this world and they all perform miracles for the ones that worship them. Even Yaweh recognized this with his first commandment. I'm not an Israelite, so I'm not under a covenant, but I like Jesus's message and I feel that he's a great representation of how to walk in this world.

 

[Elim Garak]

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

All this talk and no scripture to prove nothing. A much of "what i think or what i believe" being thrown around. The bible tells you who THE MOST HIGH is and who Jesus is.

 

[ISO]

Middle East fairy tales

 

[The Realist Perspective]

That's all it is. Whether he was mentioned or not is up for debate, since there are people who do believe he was and they use scripture to substantiate their claims. I don't care too much, I would just think Israelites/Jews would be grateful that Jesus awarded them grace from Yaweh since they're always getting on his bad side lol.

If they are answered then how could their god be useless? There are countless gods that exist in this world and they all perform miracles for the ones that worship them. Even Yaweh recognized this with his first commandment. I'm not an Israelite, so I'm not under a covenant, but I like Jesus's message and I feel that he's a great representation of how to walk in this world.

People say a lot of things but what is actually scripture? People cannot point to a single scripture in the OT that mentions anything about Jesus.
According to the OT, the Israelites were scattered, and that was it, end of story, according to the bible. Yahweh threatened over and over that he was going to do that if they don't act right, they never did, therefore he scattered them and abandoned them.
Did you know the last human that ywhw spoke directly to was Solomon? No one else can say they spoke directly to god, because the bible literally does not say otherwise and he has abandoned "his people" as he said he would.
Yhwh literally made a promise to Solomon that he won't scatter the Israelites until Solomon dies.
Imagine that, after that, there are no explicit recordings of god speaking with anyone directly. It's always through these "prophets" or "seers." Curious.
Again, nothing provided in the bible that we all have that says the so called Israelites today are still accompanied by their god.
Nothing provided in the OT substantiates a Jesus, or anything that he has proclaimed to come to do.

If I were you, I would not like Jesus, as he views people like us, gentiles, as dogs, worthy of only scraps from the children (of Israel). He was a bigoted fakkit.

Matthew 15:21-28 (also Mark 7:24-30):
“It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” (Matthew 15:26)
Read the whole thing if you think I am lying, I actually implore people to actually read the bible.
It's not for us, anyone who is not an "Israelite." It's filled with Israelite superiority propaganda.

That's why we see what is happening in Gaza right now. The so called "Israelite" is fueled by this supremacy doctrine.
I wish everyone, especially black people, would wake up to this.

Abraham hailed from modern day Iraq, no where in Africa, not an African. This stuff is not for us.

 

[Big Boda]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:14

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. Colossians 1:15-20

According to historical record Jesus really did live and was crucified and eyewitness reports of both his followers and Romans attest to him walking around and talking to people 3 days after he was crucified and dead on a cross.

Now as far as me myself I know Jesus christ is real and I have to continue to study the Bible and be prepared for those that try to paint Jesus christ as a white man's God. Being Pro black doesn't mean being anti christ.

People ask me where Jesus was during slavery I say he was there answering the prayers of Nat Turner and the rest of our black american ancestors who believed on him for the courage to fight their way to freedom.

He is God and I'm starting to watch my mouth for cuss words because everything we think, say and do will be brought to righteous judgment by him in the end.

But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Romans 14:10

I know every Jesus thread on this forum will have people dissing him but as long as we are still breathing we have time to get right with him meaning believe he died, was buried and rose again. confess and turn away from our sins and follow him by reading and obeying the Bible

Jesus is a righteous and fair judge and once we all stand in front of him it will be different levels of terrifying to feel the power of his love for us all individually. Especially if we spent the heartbeats and breath he gave us talking against him.

There are millions of people in the modern day who have died and been revived in emergency rooms and hospice care with modern medical practices. All of their stories line up with each other and many talk about the same Jesus christ of the Bible or the hell described in the Bible. Many of them speak of a Life Review with God showing them their life back before they return to their bodies.