From The New Yorker: "My Great-Grandfather, the Nigerian Slave-Trader"

[theworldismine13]

this is facts. I'm not a big fan of these systems. When it works, it works, but it's also susceptible to exploitation. I understand the reason and the realities of the situation and why they are needed. These systems exist purely to compensate for the government's inability to provide any real level of social welfare or safety nets. some don't get how complex of a problem it is. tossing out silly ass solutions like just donate some cat in the hat books to the library or just tell the government to create free public education for all. pampered ass nikkas want to sit on a high horse declaring what's acceptable and what's not, but have no realistic alternatives for the people living this shyt day to day. goofy as hell

you asked what people should do, i gave you my ideas, donating money to schools and libraries is just as effective or more than giving room and board to individual kids

nobody was suggesting its easy to create a free education system, thats something that you are making up

the issue is why do you refuse to denounce the osu ohu system and the child servitude system, this lack of respect of individual freedom is just a vestige of the culture that allowed africans to get conquered and be enslaved

 

[Pit Bull]

Repped

This dude's on some other shyt.

nikka you is a caucasoid horner. You is none of us. Yall nikkas be on yall message boards talking like fukkin skinheads. I know you need to sit the fukk down somewhere.

 

[315]

This right here is an important distinction.

I think some non-AA folks don’t realize how much the spots where they’re deep enough to have a real footprint to where they interact/live around AA’s but have some sort of cultural distinction is not the norm by any means. The norms of the majority of Black America are more in line with Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Birmingham, Jackson, Memphis, etc. Not NYC, not Miami, not DC.


And that’s not even mentioning the swaths of Black folks throughout the South in 50-90%+ Black counties who foreal don’t have much interactions unless they leave town and go to college or the military, so a lot of these interactions don’t even start until adulthood.

That’s why I’ve said before on here most of us get blindsided by these ethnic debates, talks of beefs growing up, whose Black and who ain’t Black, etc. because these things aren’t even a point of contention for most of us growing up. Any conversations related to Black folks are mainly centered around AA cultural norms and internal issues, so hearing any input outside of that doesn’t quite compute to most of us lol.

Yea I didn't know any non-AA Black people until Iike HS.

 

[concise]

Man, I used to browse Nairaland sometimes and I could never follow those threads too closely as it would just be all kinds people going at each other's necks in a huge battle royal.

This looks just like those threads.

 

[im_sleep]

Yea I didn't know any non-AA Black people until Iike HS.

The funny thing is I grew up with quite a few on the West Coast, which can be it’s own outlier in a lot of ways, but the level of interaction was still nothing to the extent you see typically on the East Coast. So I recognize that even my smaller scale of interaction was still an exception to the rule.

 

[xoxodede]

Man, I used to browse Nairaland sometimes and I could never follow those threads too closely as it would just be all kinds people going at each other's necks in a huge battle royal.

This looks just like those threads.

Nairaland is some next level ish.

I have seen threads on Nairaland with Nigerians saying the Slave Trade was a Blessing for AA, how they wish their ancestors were sold so they could be in America now, and our ancestors enslavement benefits Nigerians now. I have seen them say the most demonic shyt about AA/Black Americans.

So, nah I can't agree. I don't see the level of hatred and vitriol toward Nigerians or Africans on this this thread. It's G rated.

 

[315]

The funny thing is I grew up with quite a few on the West Coast, which can be it’s own outlier in a lot of ways, but the level of interaction was still nothing to the extent you see typically on the East Coast. So I recognize that even my smaller scale of interaction was still an exception to the rule.

There's always been some here especially since it's a college town (Syracuse). Had a homie who's Panamanian but we didn't know that until his mom came out yelling at him in spanish .But there's never really been a legit community of any other Black nationality, although Sudanese got somewhat here thick here the last 10 years. I've met plenty since I got older and started traveling around the country. NYC had me my first time there

 

[Yehuda]

Why? It's normal in developing countries. Doesn't indicate wealth at all.

ok.

 

[im_sleep]

Good Times on betamax line is funny.

I think this thread was hovering above the level you're uncomfortable communicating at, so you're attempting to being it back down to a speed that's good for you. Which is why EVERY sentence you used in your reply has a slur in it.

Not sure what part of the country you live in, but since before your father was born African and Caribbean immigrants have been coming to this country.Those from larger metro urban areas already know and have seen this firsthand. Here in America, these Blacks folks from various backgrounds have had cultural exchanges, inter marriages, etc etc. for DECADES.
Hip hop is the most notable evidence of this cultural exchange...as Flash,Herc and bambaata are all of Caribbean descent..as are LL,Pepa,Biggie,Krs,Dougie Fresh,Heavy D,Slick Rick....Chubb Rock,Wyclef,Dove from de la soul,etc etc
anyway...the 3 founding fathers of hip hop brought caribbean influence and added that to distinctly AA elements such as "call response church songs" the "dozens" James Brown's band, southern Black preacher mannerisms/style, etc etc and helped create hip hop culture in NYC with AA,Caribbean,PR kids.
Hip hop is distinctly an American art form created HERE from different elements from the diaspora. Non AAs have contributed to the general American culture.here as well.....plays,books,films,art,politics,science,academia,media etc,etc

Was Combat Jack a cb4 for hosting a hip hop centered podcast platform?
Is Lil Wayne a cb4 for wearing Haitian flag bandanas?
Are Americans who follow Rastafari cb4?
Are AA college graduates who wear kente cloth trimming on gowns cb4?


Maybe in the world you imagine or the actual circle you run in....people come here and stay to themselves, only mingle ,marry.associate with people from same home country or heritage, but that's not the reality.

I been thinking about this more lately but I think we are more and more approaching a sort of globalized “Black” culture that blends elements that run across the diaspora, but not necessarily replacing everyone’s respective root cultures. Social media contributes greatly to this.

I think from an AA perspective it can seem frustrating because our culture seems to be the baseline for this, so it kinda gives the impression that our shyt is up for everybody to claim, which opens a huge can of worms. And BTW, I don’t think this is an AA exclusive issue as I’d imagine some Caribbean folks may feel the same from their perspective. But these kind of things are expected in the early stages of anything like this. All of it is interesting and exciting, but I still haven’t quite formulated a full opinion on it all yet. Still observing.

 

[Black Haven]

Nairaland is some next level ish.

I have seen threads on Nairaland with Nigerians saying the Slave Trade was a Blessing for AA, how they wish their ancestors were sold so they could be in America now, and our ancestors enslavement benefits Nigerians now. I have seen them say the most demonic shyt about AA/Black Americans.

So, nah I can't agree. I don't see the level of hatred and vitriol toward Nigerians or Africans on this this thread. It's G rated.

Nah there are definitely posters on here that have a strong dislike for black immigrants, maybe not to the extent of nairaland but they are on here. However with that being said the coli is totally backwards to reality. The vitriol spewed towards black immigrants on this website, AA receive just as much or worse outside it on other websites.Now that doesn't mean that I agree with or condone the anti black immigrant rhetoric that is said on here but, this whole AAs are bullies nonsense is so lame especially since we all know, off this website its FAR from the truth.

 

[5n0man]

They be saying We not African tho in other threads and spouting “you don’t know who you are” borderline Akata drivel

Sis you ain’t gotta explain shyt

Hell, they insulted me over being African american in this thread. No need to look in other threads.

 

[get these nets]

i dont know why you and others think we dont "understand" this, what is so hard to understand that there is no social safety net and grinding poverty, and of course it will take time and money that is hard to come by to develop a universal free education system in haiti and other places

what part is it that you think people are missing?

the only reason i kept harping on it is the refusal by certain posters to denounce the system of child servitude and even the osu ohu system, literally no poster from nigeria has denounced the system, thats just weird and disturbing

I join with you in denouncing child servitude/peonage anywhere and everywhere.

But if you read this thread again, dudes are in here airing out all types of fukked up shyt that exists or existed as elements of their culture. Without being asked to. Unprompted.
Human sacrifices, servants being buried alive with deceased rich men.. These clearly aren't posters who are fronting for anybody because they didn't have to bring any of these things up.

I think they are being equally honest/candid about how they see that child servant system in their parents' homeland.

 

[Karb]

ok.

 

[Ake1725]

This thread is quickly going downhill, so let me get my thoughts in.

After digesting all the information in this thread I think that I understand all aspects to the situation. I get the whole servant situation, but I don't like it. And the reason why I don't like it is because of my history of slavery, being an AADOS. If I wasn't, then maybe I would be able to think about it a different way. But all in all it's still asking me to understand a culture I'm not familiar with, with mybgiven background.

I'm not naive in thinking that there werent Africans that sold Africans into slavery for big business. I think the most disheartening part of it is that these are not mystery people who are dead and gone and forgotten. They are identifiable, their legacy still lives on and people are still benefiting from this legacy. And the more I read, the more I believe that they knew exactly what was going to happen to those enslaved. Even in the 1800s, I'm sure word got around.

But it is what it is, and we can't change the past. And I'd rather know all the hurtful truth then be blissfully ignorant.

It did because many returned to Africa. You have in some cases merchants or upperclass people who were able to return. You knpw they told their stories.

 

[chkmeout]

"Naija we Healty"
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