You’re right. The problem is that we live in a world where people love to group everyone together hence it’s a tad difficult to discuss sensitive issues.
From The New Yorker: "My Great-Grandfather, the Nigerian Slave-Trader"
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You’re right. The problem is that we live in a world where people love to group everyone together hence it’s a tad difficult to discuss sensitive issues.
Yes, a lot of west Africans were Muslims but they were mostly Sufi Muslims tho.
Mande, Wolof, Hausa, Fulani, some Yorubas (the ones taken to Bahia), etc., were Muslims.
it is easier to do that
for example
why is farrakan messing with scientology?
why are most pastors involved in other organisations other than the church?
different teachings and interpretations vs what the majority know
politicians having to be a part of this or that
I am not discounting it
its just something I have seen written on here for years
and it always puzzled me
most every single place I can think of that west africans OUR ANCESTORS were sent to
none of them practiced the muslim religion
when they got off the boat
as in black people that I am familiar with
every single one is voodoo/santeria etc or christian which was adopted
and the west africans who turned muslim did so for survival
it was a "get down or lay down" situation
same today when guys go to prison
it is in their interst to adopt the religion
is that incorrect?
I think religion has a tendency to be fluid & the deeper you understand the concept, the more it enables you to experiment.
So I can’t fault religious people for experimenting. Only those who’re stuck on faith without understanding the concept of religion tend to be rigid in their beliefs.
if we can agree that those in power
always have hidden knowledge
whether that be economic or occult
that the average person has no idea of
as in our grandmas going to church praising Jesus
yet pastor goes to another ceremony afterwards
which is why I brought up farrakan and scientology
read something many years ago
and please forgive me my muslim friends
yet it was a theory that the catholics formed the religion
they were around advising even at that time
never researched further
point being the masses are just taking orders
They did, however, in the US they weren’t allowed to.
Islam got to west Africa in around the 8th century with the Wolof/Mande/Fulani. Then Hausas & Kanuri around the 13th century. And Mande traders brought it to the Yorubas around the 16th century. But it was the Sufi version which allowed the fusion of traditional beliefs. However, Sunni Islam started spreading around the 18th century tho.
There was a Muslim slave revolt in Brazil led by Yoruba/Hausa Muslims.
Read this:
Malê Uprising, The
The Malê Uprising was a slave revolt in Salvador, Bahia, organized by Muslims—known as Malês—during the last ten days of Ramadan in January of 1835. Captured rebels wore Muslim dress, including head coverings and long white tunics, and carried prayer beans as well as Qur’anic amulets on their bodies for protection. The revolt was organized primarily by Hausa and Nagô(Yoruba) Muslims, but non-Muslim Africans from various backgrounds also participated, numbering roughly 600. The uprising targeted whites, but also mulattos and native-born black Brazilians—namely, those who did not belong to the African-born slave and free population and who were seen as part of slaveholding society. Having come from African slave-holding societies, Malês expressed a desire to upend the Brazilian status quo and enslave mulattos, though their ultimate goals against the well-armed Brazilian security forces were unclear.The 1835 uprising took place during a chaotic period of frequent revolt (including slave revolt), economic downturn, rising poverty, military and federalist rebellion, and strong anti-colonial sentiment. It was also a time when the population of Bahia was mostly of African origin, whether free or enslaved, which made up the lowest rung of society. Numerous other uprisings had taken place over the prior three decades but the 1835 event was by far the largest and most significant. It was also a period of Islamic conversion among the enslaved and free Africans of Bahia, who were receptive to Qur’anic messages that sympathized with marginalized peoples and who largely respected and admired the Malês. As a result of the 1835 revolt, security forces in Bahia and elsewhere seized any items associated with Islam, including all documents written in Arabic.
Malê Uprising, The
rpl.hds.harvard.edu
They did, however, in the US they weren’t allowed to.
Islam got to west Africa in around the 8th century with the Wolof/Mande/Fulani. Then Hausas & Kanuri around the 13th century. And Mande traders brought it to the Yorubas around the 16th century. But it was the Sufi version which allowed the fusion of traditional beliefs. However, Sunni Islam started spreading around the 18th century tho.
There was a Muslim slave revolt in Brazil led by Yoruba/Hausa Muslims.
Read this:
Malê Uprising, The
The Malê Uprising was a slave revolt in Salvador, Bahia, organized by Muslims—known as Malês—during the last ten days of Ramadan in January of 1835. Captured rebels wore Muslim dress, including head coverings and long white tunics, and carried prayer beans as well as Qur’anic amulets on their bodies for protection. The revolt was organized primarily by Hausa and Nagô(Yoruba) Muslims, but non-Muslim Africans from various backgrounds also participated, numbering roughly 600. The uprising targeted whites, but also mulattos and native-born black Brazilians—namely, those who did not belong to the African-born slave and free population and who were seen as part of slaveholding society. Having come from African slave-holding societies, Malês expressed a desire to upend the Brazilian status quo and enslave mulattos, though their ultimate goals against the well-armed Brazilian security forces were unclear.
The 1835 uprising took place during a chaotic period of frequent revolt (including slave revolt), economic downturn, rising poverty, military and federalist rebellion, and strong anti-colonial sentiment. It was also a time when the population of Bahia was mostly of African origin, whether free or enslaved, which made up the lowest rung of society. Numerous other uprisings had taken place over the prior three decades but the 1835 event was by far the largest and most significant. It was also a period of Islamic conversion among the enslaved and free Africans of Bahia, who were receptive to Qur’anic messages that sympathized with marginalized peoples and who largely respected and admired the Malês. As a result of the 1835 revolt, security forces in Bahia and elsewhere seized any items associated with Islam, including all documents written in Arabic.
Malê Uprising, The
when it says they came from slave holding societies....
is that a regular occurence
as in all the other africans there also came from those socieites?
or they were muslim slave traders who got captured?
and isnt it against the religion to enslave a muslim?
yet can be done to others?
True. Not everything is being disclosed & most of the secrets are kept by the Catholic.
When people start realising that almost all the wars humanity has fought & atrocities they committed were due to religion - they’ll start taking religion for what it’s.
The never ending Catholic vs Protestants vs Orthodox wars. The crusades between Christians & Muslims which is still being played in MENA.
Heck, the Catholic Church ordered transatlantic slavery & Protestants also blessed it in the battle for global supremacy.
Anyway, I won’t put it past the Catholic Church to create Islam cos Catholicism was thriving before Islam became a thing & all the earliest Islam manuscripts including.
First of all the majority of West Africans are Muslim. The non-Muslims in West Africa lived in the forest belt, but even then they had extensive trade and political ties with Muslims. Yes the Portuguese enslaved people in West and Central Africa, which in large part stemmed from the great contempt that the Catholic Church, Portugal and Spain had for the larger Muslim World.
Muslims themselves were not allowed to sale other Muslims into slavery, but across West Africa there were a large number of religious wars/Jihads initiated most times by Puel/Fula/Fulbe/Fulani people that were carried out on other Muslims in West Africa that created a large number of Muslim slaves that were shipped to the Americas. A large number of Fulani were also sold into slavery by other Muslims, specifically by the Mandingos of Mali whom the Fulani were seemingly always at war with. Researchers believe that as many as 33% or more of the slaves in the USA were Muslim or from Muslim controlled territories and they point to Blues music, the Banjo, shouting in Black Churches, etc., as proof of the large numbers of Muslims that were brought to the USA as slaves. There is an excellent book on Muslims in the Americas called "Servants of Allah" written by Sylvaine Diouff.
They were referring to chattel slavery which was the norm back then.
Slaves had equal rights as free born but they were not allowed to rule since they’re always mostly captives from other groups. However, in the military, they could attain the highest post.
thanks for that...
my impression has always been that the religion was used as a means of conquering....
started from top and spread down into west africa...
and they were so powerful that either one joined them...
or take the chance that your people will be wiped out....
from what you saying above...
muslim religion or no religion...
they would have still been fighting and selling each other ANYWAY
appreciated
this is where I get idealistic and silly
you telling me that african people who existed for many thousands of years
did not understand war and prisoners of war was some bullshyt?
yes even the native americans did it
seems really dumb to continue that shyt
whilst europe was uniting after being viking and visogoth savages
Actually there were probably more Muslims brought to the USA, because Spain and Portugal didn't want Muslim slaves in their colonies. That is why stuff like Blues music and the Banjo were so prevalent in the USA. Some Southern Universities have collections of Korans that once belonged to slaves, which were left to those universities by slave owners.
Nope. Islam has been in Africa since the death of Mohammed. It came to West Africa in trade. It was first adopted in West Africa among the Mande people who founded the great Empires of Ghana and Mali.
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