From The New Yorker: "My Great-Grandfather, the Nigerian Slave-Trader"

[Uncouth Savage]

Nope. Islam has been in Africa since the death of Mohammed. It came to West Africa in trade.

this conversation is way above my level of understanding concerning history here

I just viewed it from the sense that even muslim words or practices I would have seen or heard caribbean people say

example farrakan his father from jamaica
nobody in jamaica give a shyt bout dat
they christian or into voodoo etc

thanks for the history lesson

 

[Bonk]

Nope. Islam has been in Africa since the death of Mohammed. It came to West Africa in trade. It was first adopted among the Mande people who founded the great Empires of Ghana and Mali.

I have a theory that Faad Muhammad & Elijah Muhammad (or just Faad Muhammad) were creole descendants of Mande slaves from Louisiana.

It just pops in my head since NOI’s doctrine is similar to Sufi doctrine.

 

[Samori Toure]

this conversation is way above my level of understanding concerning history here

I just viewed it from the sense that even muslim words or practices I would have seen or heard caribbean people say

example farrakan his father from jamaica
nobody in jamaica give a shyt bout dat
they christian or into voodoo etc

thanks for the history lesson

Islam never left the USA. It was still being practiced in Georgia and South Carolina until about 100 years ago. The Nation of Islam sprung out of that area. On top of that Islam has always been in African American Churches, even though most African Americans never noticed it. There are a lot of traditions in old Southern Baptist Churches which are clearly Muslim. Stuff like Dr. Watts songs; men and women sitting on separate sides of the Church and shouting which is from "Ring Shout" which people think is from the Muslim tradition of the "Shawt" when Muslims travel to Mecca.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Most Christians Worldwide WERE NOT leading the way for the abolition of slavery. Christians were actually the enslavers and most White Christians were very much in favor of the institution of slavery. First of all the Catholic Church

Did not control America. The vast majority of Colonists were ESCAPING the Catholic Church. The first Christians to call for the abolition of Slavery were Quakers, as you stated, but they weren't the only ones. Also, due to the Protestant Reformation, the Catholic Church was seen as persona non grata in the Colonies. So, while the Catholic Church's upper-echelon (and many Protestant's as well) wasn't, along with the requisite ruling classes of Europe, the laity didn't much care......until certain Pastors and Ministers started making a fuss in Great Britain and America.

Some Christians engaging in slavery =/= Christians were not against slavery.

As far as Christians, worldwide, leading the way for abolition. Which Nation abolished it first? Who followed? Who is still engaging in it?

Also, that 'widespread opposition' is a strawman that NO ONE is arguing here.​

 

[Samori Toure]

I have a theory that Faad Muhammad & Elijah Muhammad (or just Faad Muhammad) were creole descendants of Mande slaves from Louisiana.

It just pops in my head since NOI’s doctrine is similar to Sufi doctrine.

Islam was practiced in South Carolina and Georgia by Gullah Geechee people who are largely descended from Mende people from Sierra Leone. Mende people are Mandingos that fled the Empire of Mali after a woman general insulted the Mansa (King) of Mali. What makes them Mende is that they mixed with other tribes in Sierra Leone, but they are Mande people from Mali just like the Mandingos. In fact they still live near the Mandingos in Sierra Leone

 

[BujuBoombastic]

 

[Samori Toure]

Did not control America. The vast majority of Colonists were ESCAPING the Catholic Church. The first Christians to call for the abolition of Slavery were Quakers, as you stated, but they weren't the only ones. Also, due to the Protestant Reformation, the Catholic Church was seen as persona non grata in the Colonies. So, while the Catholic Church's upper-echelon (and many Protestant's as well) wasn't, along with the requisite ruling classes of Europe, the laity didn't.

Some Christians engaging in slavery =/= Christians were not against slavery.

As far as Christians, worldwide, leading the way for abolition. Which Nation abolished it first? Who followed? Who is still engaging in it?

Also, that 'widespread opposition' is a strawman that NO ONE is arguing.​

In the USA those same people that you claim were ESCAPING the Catholic Church enacted slavery laws in the USA. Slavery was legal in al the USA colonies including in Massachusetts, which was the first State to enact a slavery Statute.

So most Christians were not for the abolition of slavery. History has shown that the Quakers are only Protestant group that had always been against slavery. Other Protestant groups joined later when they saw the tide of slavery changing in the Country, but it was the Quakers that set it off.

 

[Samori Toure]

That is bullshyt revisionism.

 

[Bonk]

Islam was practiced in South Carolina and Georgia by Gullah Geechee people who are largely descended from Mende people from Sierra Leone. Mende people are Mandingos that fled the Empire of Mali after a woman general insulted the Mansa (King) of Mali. What makes them Mende is that they mixed with other tribes in Sierra Leone, but they are Mande people from Mali just like the Mandingos. In fact they still live near the Mandingos in Sierra Leone

Thanks.

Is Soninke also Mande? I used to date some black Spanish ting & she’s Soninke from Guinea.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

So most Christians were not for the abolition of slavery.

That is demonstrably false considering that where Christians are/were the 'majority', those areas/Nations abolished slavery, first...

Timeline of abolition of slavery and serfdom - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I know where the disconnect is. I should've worded an earlier post differently.​

 

[#1 pick]

That is bullshyt revisionism.

Bullshyt revisionism is common when whites want to remove themselves from the responsibility of slavery.

 

[Samori Toure]

Thanks.

Is Soninke also Mande? I used to date some black Spanish ting & she’s Soninke from Guinea.

Yes. They are the founders of the Empire of Ghana. They are cousins of the Mandingos.

 

[Samori Toure]

That is demonstrably false considering that where Christians are/were the 'majority', those areas/Nations abolished slavery, first...

Timeline of abolition of slavery and serfdom - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I know where the disconnect is. I should've worded an earlier post differently.​

The majority of Christians used to be Catholic. Therefore they were not against slavery, because the Pope was in favor of slavery. That is why your statement was and is false.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

The majority of Christians used to be Catholic.

Catholicism is a branch of Christianity, not the whole tree. There were only 25,000 Catholics in the Colonies by the late-18th Century. The remaining 2.9 million+ Colonists were Protestant/Anglican/Quakers/Baptists/Congregationalists/Lutherans/Methodists/Jews.

The Pope's word carried very little to no weight in America or Europe thanks to the Great Schism and the Reformation.

That's why saying Christians, worldwide, lead the way for the abolition of slavery is an objectively, historically, true statement.​

 

[Bonk]

Yes. They are the founders of the Empire of Ghana. They are cousins of the Mandingos.

Thanks.