From The New Yorker: "My Great-Grandfather, the Nigerian Slave-Trader"

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For the hundredth time, the details are different. But they all represent a violation of individual freedom

Totally agreed.

People likening it to a non-paid/paid internship. Nah.

You have to read "Lose Your Mother: A Journey Along the Atlantic Slave Route" by Saidiya Hartman - it's on Ghana -- but it's similar to Nigeria's servants/slaves.

Many Ghanaians Have Another View of Slavery, Due to Their Family Enslaving:

What I discovered was that when Ghanaians, at least those of the elite classes in the south, thought about slavery, they envisioned a “distant cousin from the north” washing clothes and preparing meals in a well appointed home, the pretty slave wife of their grandfather, or the foreigners in their village.

They exulted in the wealth of slave-trading ancestors, if only because it was less humiliating to have been a merchant than to have been a slave. “People pride themselves that their great-grandfathers rather kept slaves, and were not among the numerous slaves that abounded,” as one man explained. “To be called a slave is an insignia of shame.” The dishonor of the slave had persisted, as had the dignity and self-respect of the affluent and the powerful. The regret was that the wealth had not lasted.

In Elmina, they lamented, “In those days we were rich, but now we’re poor. The Dutch boat has left Elmina.” Few dared to mention the slaves chained in holding cells or taken off the coast, and if they did, they explained that African traders didn’t know how badly the whites treated the slaves across the water.

Others called the Atlantic slave trade the European trade, insisting that the West alone was to blame. It sanitized the whole ugly business and permitted them to believe that they were without scars.

Kofi, an assistant curator at the castle’s museum, confided that it was difficult for him to think of slavery as a terrible fate. “There were slaves in my family,” he told me. “My grandfather owned slaves. I never thought much of it. They were treated no differently than anyone else.” I doubted that Kofi believed this, but he supposed that I was gullible enough to accept it as the truth. The terror of slavery, he tried to convince me, had been confined to the Americas.

Terror was what I took for granted. My own understanding of slavery and Kofi’s could not have been more contrary. Which wasn’t surprising since he was the son of a slave owner and I was the daughter of slaves.

In Ghana, kinship was the idiom of slavery, and in the United States, race was. The language of kinship absorbed the slave and concealed her identity within the family fold (at least that was the official line), whereas the language of race set the slave apart from man and citizen and sentenced her to an interminable servitude. But, as I found out, the line between masters and slaves was no less indelible, even when it wasn’t a color line.​
 
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:ehh:I'm not sure if osu caste system still exist but I know a few Nigerian families who have house maids on deck here in America.

I be walking in their houses wondering how the fukk do they always have maids - they pay $500 a month

and can I borrow one cause....... as low as the people are being paid it might as well be slavery.

Sometimes they be taking their passports, n shyt. Leavin them no choice but to be the nanny for the family cooking cleaning and they be getting beat too.

I'm just looking at my extended family members on my dad's side, and friends I grew up with.


fukk it imma say it- naija people why are yall evil ? Lol.

I think that people are confusing oru/ohu (slaves of men) with osu ( descendants of slaves of the gods). Not all osu people are servants- I know one that is a pastor and is very well respected in his community.

I think that what that poster said was in reference to a time when the osu were economically put at a disadvantage due to the rise of Christianity in the East. They were no longer feared as people generally rejected the old gods but they still had a stigma attached to them and so became a marginalised group. I think that this problem just demonstrates the conflict that a lot of Igbos have between their traditions and Christianity in the past.
 
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This thread is quickly going downhill, so let me get my thoughts in.

After digesting all the information in this thread I think that I understand all aspects to the situation. I get the whole servant situation, but I don't like it. And the reason why I don't like it is because of my history of slavery, being an AADOS. If I wasn't, then maybe I would be able to think about it a different way. But all in all it's still asking me to understand a culture I'm not familiar with, with mybgiven background.

I'm not naive in thinking that there werent Africans that sold Africans into slavery for big business. I think the most disheartening part of it is that these are not mystery people who are dead and gone and forgotten. They are identifiable, their legacy still lives on and people are still benefiting from this legacy. And the more I read, the more I believe that they knew exactly what was going to happen to those enslaved. Even in the 1800s, I'm sure word got around.

But it is what it is, and we can't change the past. And I'd rather know all the hurtful truth then be blissfully ignorant.
 

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You and the other poster keep conflating Osu and modern "servants"

Osu are people that offer themselves to the Oracle in order to not have to face death/exile, we now know that the "death/exile" actually turned out to be being sold to slavers for a lot of them.
But they didn't know that at the time, they just knew they either were wrongly or correctly convicted of a crime and it was either face punishment or offer yourself to the Oracle.

All Osu aren't servants, all Osu aren't poor, in fact there are probably Osu that are wealthier than all the posters in this thread, because it's not really relevant in Nigeria anymore and it's definitely not relevant in the Western world.

I think that you've done a very good job at explaining things here but people who don't understand Igbo culture will likely take this the wrong way, unfortunately.
 

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I peeped how you agreed with in one post and now you're talking reckless as soon I made my critique. Its no reason to come at me like that brother. My self worth isn't predicated on whether or not I can trace my lineage. Ultimately it means nothing in the grand scheme. In fact placing an exorbitant amount value on things like blood lines, lineage is prime example of stage purple thinking. :russ:
You should not confuse my critique with belittling African culture and customs. However, there certain beliefs and value structures that will need to melt away if Africa as a whole expects to advance with the rest of human civilization.
You dont have a clue of what you are talking about. You literally are taking a destructive outlook and think that it is a solution when you don't even have the solution to solve the problem here in America. That's why I told you to shut up. You don't know what you are talking about.

If you knew, you wouldn't be saying what you are saying.
 

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Yeah - that lineage/heritage trace comment was a diss. I just :hhh: when I see someone try to throw that in.

It's just like when they say we don't have "culture" -- but I don't even go in anymore or care like I used too. I love AADOS people, culture and the "blood, power and heritage" I can trace here due to my ancestors toil and triumph in America.


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Nothing wrong with loving who you are but there is a clear difference between that and making stupid ass assumptions on people in a land that you will never see or travel to, have a strong opinion on a culture you are not a part of and make a blanket ignorant statement and then cry wolf when you been shot.

That's the white folk in you. Got the nerves to post Ali. That was a man that traveled to Africa. Ate the food. Lived on the land. Was a fighter. fukk, he was the opposite of every dumbass in this thread talking reckless. He knew who he was and he took it as a journey to learn where he came from. That was the relationship Africans and AADoS need to build. This stupid shyt @TheReckoning posted and you cosigned is toxic behavior at best.

I dont know what's wrong with cha but you need to cut it out.

Bomaye Ali!
 

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If you're AA or West Indian, there's a good chance you have Igbo blood, so at the very least these are your people breh. :manny:

I understand - but how can they be our people - if they don't accept you nor see you as such. I have a whole bunch of blood -- Irish, Europeans my people too? I would say NO.
 

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Nothing wrong with loving who you are but there is a clear difference between that and making stupid ass assumptions on people in a land that you will never see or travel to, have a strong opinion on a culture you are not a part of and make a blanket ignorant statement and then cry wolf when you been shot.

That's the white folk in you

The shyt you say is so disrespectful to Black Americans/AADOS -- and the sick part is you don't even recognize it. "thats the White folk in me" -- really?!

I can't be down with you for that.
 

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You dont have a clue of what you are talking about. You literally are taking a destructive outlook and think that it is a solution when you don't even have the solution to solve the problem here in America. That's why I told you to shut up. You don't know what you are talking about.

If you knew, you wouldn't be saying what you are saying.

What part of my points do you disagree with?
That tribalism is an impediment to progress?
That the division amongst tribes didn't make it easier for Europeans and Arabs to colonize and enslave Africans?
That Africa needs forward thinking leadership and governance?
That basic needs need to be met before many Africans can consider tackling systemic issues that are rooted in age old cultural customs and beliefs?
 

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The shyt you say is so disrespectful to Black Americans/AADOS -- and the sick part is you don't even recognize it. "thats the White folk in me" -- really?!

I can't be down with you for that.
There is nothing disrespectful about anything I posted as a respond. You need to reread with your eyes and not your emotions.

Yes, this is the white blood in you to attack and cry wolf when slaughtered. That's that passive aggressive bullshyt. You need to cut it out
 

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in YOUR eyes it's a violation. not in the eyes of that child who's now going to school/college/vocational because of this system. not in the eyes of that family who's now receiving some desperately needed financial help because of this system.

you are seriously reaching old head cac levels of being so close-minded

but hey. continue sitting in front of your macbook pro on your lunch break telling folks who barely have anything how they should be making a living and how they shouldn't

yeah it is from my eyes, and its a legit POV.

I think what people want to know is how exactly did slavery come about and why did it go on for so long aside from the white supremacy part of it, you have given the answer, its that african themselves had systems which violated the individual freedom of africans

whats nutty is that you refuse to see it as such
 

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There is nothing disrespectful about anything I posted as a respond. You need to reread with your eyes and not your emotions.

Yes, this is the white blood in you to attack and cry wolf when slaughtered. That's that passive aggressive bullshyt. You need to cut it out

Yes - it was. Your statement: You don't even have any heritage that you can trace nor do you know your own power or blood. You do not know what you are talking about. You just like hearing yourself talk, shut up.

You made a assumption and used a well-known dig many Africans and White people love to try to come at AADOS with. I know my "heritage and own power and blood."

And what the hell does that even mean really -- Africans got some superpower shyt or supernatural ish?

Let me know -- cause the power and blood they got aint doing too much for many on the continent now.
 
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There is nothing disrespectful about anything I posted as a respond. You need to reread with your eyes and not your emotions.

Yes, this is the white blood in you to attack and cry wolf when slaughtered. That's that passive aggressive bullshyt. You need to cut it out
Literally just said she had Irish in her....
 
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