Future - "Reasonable Doubt was not hot when it dropped"

[bigbadbossup2012]

@spliz
This Is Two Years Before illmatic
Lord Finesse Return of the Funky Man
Boogie Down Productions Sex and Violence
Fu-Schnickens F.U. Don't Take It Personal
Ultramagnetic MCs Funk Your Head Up
Das EFX Dead Serious
Doug E. Fresh Doin' What I Gotta Do
Gang Starr Daily Operation
Pete Rock & CL Smooth Mecca and the Soul Brother
Eric B. & Rakim Don't Sweat the Technique
EPMD Business Never Personal
Diamond D Stunts, Blunts & Hip Hop
Showbiz & A.G. Runaway Slave
Redman Whut? Thee Album
Grand Puba Reel to Reel
Kool G Rap & DJ Polo Live and Let Die



This is the year before illmatic

Heavy D & the Boyz Blue Funk
Brand Nubian In God We Trust
Digable Planets Reachin' (A New Refutation of Time and Space)
Naughty by Nature 19 Naughty III
LL Cool J 14 Shots to the Dome
Lords of the Underground Here Come the Lords
Onyx Bacdafucup
Mobb Deep Juvenile Hell
Run-D.M.C. Down with the King
Masta Ace Incorporated SlaughtaHouse
Guru Guru's Jazzmatazz, Vol. 1
The Roots Organix
Biz Markie All Samples Cleared!
MC Lyte Ain't No Other
Fat Joe Represent
Poor Righteous Teachers Black Business
De La Soul Buhloone Mindstate
KRS-One Return of the Boom Bap
Leaders of the New School T.I.M.E. (The Inner Mind's Eye)
Black Moon Enta da Stage
Erick Sermon No Pressure
A Tribe Called Quest Midnight Marauders
Wu-Tang Clan Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
Das EFX Straight Up Sewaside
Queen Latifah Black Reign

This is The year illmatic came out

Schoolly D Welcome to America
Gang Starr Hard to Earn
Kool G Rap Killer Kuts
The Roots From the Ground Up
Nas Illmatic
Shyheim AKA the Rugged Child
Jeru the Damaja The Sun Rises in the East
Gravediggaz 6 Feet Deep
Public Enemy Muse Sick-n-Hour Mess Age
Big Daddy Kane Daddy's Home
Rob Base and DJ E-Z Rock Break of Dawn
PMD Shade Business
Digable Planets Blowout Comb
O.C. Word...Life
Kool Moe Dee Interlude
Pete Rock & CL Smooth The Main Ingredient
Method Man Tical
Redman Dare Iz a Darkside
Slick Rick Behind Bars
Black Sheep Non-Fiction

So how many were sounding like west coast?

U forgot to mention Illmatic was circulating in 93. And look at the list before 93. That def wasn't ALL the shyt that dropped but compare that list to the 93 list when nikkas like Wu and Nas and Black Moon and Onyx and Tribe. I didn't say Nas was the SOLE reason shyt shifted but Nas was one of the TOP contributors of the shift. There was Def artist's that tried biting and shyt was starting to get stagnant as well. I will say looking back at the albums it was more of that latter. It was stagnation and we got a surge in 93 and took it from there. Now that I think about it it was more people biting the west coast around the 94-96 era than anything. Track's like Where My Homiez which is my shyt and Masta Aces INC Ride was clear west coast bites. Masta Ace was kinda shameless wit his shyt. Lol

See my friends,this is how you shyt on weak posters. This dude that was so adamant about Nas changing the game with Illmatic has NOW went back on a couple of his stances.
First it was "He changed the game from nikkas biting the west"
Now it's "he changed the game from stagnation to active"
First "people were doing alot of biting before Illmatic"
Now "the biting was from 1994 to 1996"
Which is during and after illmatic.
And this proves illmatic did nothing you said it did.
Your stagnation argument is Null too. Dont come around anymore
This debate is over you a fukkin clown and should stop debating nikkas whom really lived it.
@StillNotSoft ,it's over,this nikka dont want it.
He's finished.

 

[West Coast Avenger]

RD sold 420,000 copies in 96. He had a gold single. How is that NOBODY?

420,000 in '96 was nothing....there were other hip hop artist pulling those numbers on their first week sales....

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

420,000 in '96 was nothing....there were other hip hop artist pulling those numbers on their first week sales....

List of top ten albums with the highest first-week home market sales
Number Album Artist 1st-week sales 1st-week position Genre
2 All Eyez On Me 2Pac 566,000 1 West Coast Hip Hop
4 It Was Written Nas 268,000 1 East Coast Hip Hop
3 Tha Doggfather Snoop Dogg 478,971 1 West Coast Hip Hop
1 The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory 2Pac 664,000 1 West Coast Hip Hop
5 The Score (Fugees album) The Fugees 205,500 1 East Coast Hip Hop

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

420,000 in '96 was nothing....there were other hip hop artist pulling those numbers on their first week sales....

97'

Number Album Artist 1st-week sales 1st-week position Genre
1 Life After Death The Notorious BIG 690,000 1 East Coast Hip Hop
2 Wu-Tang Forever Wu-Tang Clan 612,000 1 East Coast Hip Hop
3 No Way Out P.Diddy 561,000 1 East Coast Hip Hop
4 R U Still Down? (Remember Me) 2Pac 549,000 2 West Coast Hip Hop
5 The Art Of War Bone Thugs-N-Harmony 394,000 1 Midwest Hip Hop
6 Harlem World Mase 270,000 1 East Coast Hip Hop
7 Ghetto D Master P 260,000 1 Southern Hip Hop

 

[IllmaticDelta]

The sound. The west coast was running shyt as far as sound n everything. Biggie kinda fused things and that's why it worked out so well for him. And yall getting it twisted thinking I'm talking about one or the other as far as sales or critical and street response. Nas had the critical/street response/hype. He didn't sell what was espected but my main point is Jay had NONE of these things. He didn't have the hype Nas or Biggie had. And he didn't have the commercial success that Biggie had or Snoop etc etc.

facts

 

[mobbinfms]

420,000 in '96 was nothing....there were other hip hop artist pulling those numbers on their first week sales....

Only PAC and Snoop

Who else?
Release Date Artist Album
January 9 Kid Rock Early Mornin' Stoned Pimp
January 23 The D.O.C. Helter Skelter
January 30 Eazy-E Str8 off tha Streetz of Muthaphukkin Compton
February 13 2Pac All Eyez on Me
Fugees The Score
Skillz From Where???
February 26 B.G. Chopper City
March 26 Busta Rhymes The Coming
April 2 Bahamadia Kollage
Beastie Boys The In Sound From Way Out!
Geto Boys The Resurrection
MC Eiht Death Threatz
April 9 MC Ren The Villain in Black
April 16 Master P Ice Cream Man
May 7 Kool Keith Dr. Octagonecologyst
May 21 Dr. Dre First Round Knock Out
Too Short Gettin' It (Album Number Ten)
June 4 Digital Underground Future Rhythm
Ice-T Ice-T VI: Return of the Real
Kool G Rap Rated XXX
June 18 Heltah Skeltah Nocturnal
June 25 Jay-Z Reasonable Doubt
July 2 Crucial Conflict The Final Tic
De La Soul Stakes Is High
N.W.A Greatest Hits
Nas It Was Written
July 30 A Tribe Called Quest Beats, Rhymes and Life
UGK Ridin' Dirty
August 13 Blahzay Blahzay Blah Blah Blah
Cypress Hill Unreleased and Revamped
August 20 Silkk the Shocker The Shocker
August 27 MC Lyte Bad As I Wanna B
OutKast ATLiens
September 24 Dr. Dre Back 'n the Day
The Roots Illadelph Halflife
October 1 The Dayton Family F.B.I. (fukk Being Indicted)
Ras Kass Soul on Ice
October 15 Jeru the Damaja Wrath of the Math
Xzibit At the Speed of Life
October 22 Westside Connection Bow Down
October 29 Ghostface Killah Ironman
O.G.C. Da Storm
November 5 LL Cool J All World: Greatest Hits
Makaveli The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory
November 12 Eminem Infinite
Lil' Kim Hard Core
Snoop Dogg Tha Doggfather
November 19 DJ Shadow Endtroducing.....
Foxy Brown Ill Na Na
Mobb Deep Hell on Earth
Shaquille O'Neal You Can't Stop the Reign
November 26 Aftermath Entertainment Dr. Dre Presents the Aftermath
December 3 Three 6 Mafia Chapter 1: The End
December 10 Redman


List of top ten albums with the highest first-week home market sales
Number Album Artist 1st-week sales 1st-week position Genre
1 The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory 2Pac 664,000 1 West Coast Hip Hop
2 All Eyez On Me 2Pac 566,000 1 West Coast Hip Hop
3 Tha Doggfather Snoop Dogg 478,971 1 West Coast Hip Hop
4 It Was Written Nas 268,000 1 East Coast Hip Hop
5 The Score (Fugees album) The Fugees

 

[West Coast Avenger]

Only PAC and Snoop

Who else?
Release Date Artist Album
January 9 Kid Rock Early Mornin' Stoned Pimp
January 23 The D.O.C. Helter Skelter
January 30 Eazy-E Str8 off tha Streetz of Muthaphukkin Compton
February 13 2Pac All Eyez on Me
Fugees The Score
Skillz From Where???
February 26 B.G. Chopper City
March 26 Busta Rhymes The Coming
April 2 Bahamadia Kollage
Beastie Boys The In Sound From Way Out!
Geto Boys The Resurrection
MC Eiht Death Threatz
April 9 MC Ren The Villain in Black
April 16 Master P Ice Cream Man
May 7 Kool Keith Dr. Octagonecologyst
May 21 Dr. Dre First Round Knock Out
Too Short Gettin' It (Album Number Ten)
June 4 Digital Underground Future Rhythm
Ice-T Ice-T VI: Return of the Real
Kool G Rap Rated XXX
June 18 Heltah Skeltah Nocturnal
June 25 Jay-Z Reasonable Doubt
July 2 Crucial Conflict The Final Tic
De La Soul Stakes Is High
N.W.A Greatest Hits
Nas It Was Written
July 30 A Tribe Called Quest Beats, Rhymes and Life
UGK Ridin' Dirty
August 13 Blahzay Blahzay Blah Blah Blah
Cypress Hill Unreleased and Revamped
August 20 Silkk the Shocker The Shocker
August 27 MC Lyte Bad As I Wanna B
OutKast ATLiens
September 24 Dr. Dre Back 'n the Day
The Roots Illadelph Halflife
October 1 The Dayton Family F.B.I. (fukk Being Indicted)
Ras Kass Soul on Ice
October 15 Jeru the Damaja Wrath of the Math
Xzibit At the Speed of Life
October 22 Westside Connection Bow Down
October 29 Ghostface Killah Ironman
O.G.C. Da Storm
November 5 LL Cool J All World: Greatest Hits
Makaveli The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory
November 12 Eminem Infinite
Lil' Kim Hard Core
Snoop Dogg Tha Doggfather
November 19 DJ Shadow Endtroducing.....
Foxy Brown Ill Na Na
Mobb Deep Hell on Earth
Shaquille O'Neal You Can't Stop the Reign
November 26 Aftermath Entertainment Dr. Dre Presents the Aftermath
December 3 Three 6 Mafia Chapter 1: The End
December 10 Redman


List of top ten albums with the highest first-week home market sales
Number Album Artist 1st-week sales 1st-week position Genre
1 The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory 2Pac 664,000 1 West Coast Hip Hop
2 All Eyez On Me 2Pac 566,000 1 West Coast Hip Hop
3 Tha Doggfather Snoop Dogg 478,971 1 West Coast Hip Hop
4 It Was Written Nas 268,000 1 East Coast Hip Hop
5 The Score (Fugees album) The Fugees

Bruh please.........the poster above you already posted numbers....and if you're around my age then there should be no disputing.....why all these people trying to rewrite history???....

 

[mobbinfms]

he was probably just referring to 1996 since thats when jays debut dropped and nas was already hot even while big and pac was alive

Could be. I think otherwise but its vague enough where if he clarified all I could say was

 

[Cloud McFly]

RD sold 420,000 copies in 96. He had a gold single. How is that NOBODY?

I always find it funny when people throw out that this was an easy feat back then, and act as if everybody was selling like that on a debut without major backing.

 

[West Coast Avenger]

I always find it funny when people throw out that this was an easy feat back then, and act as if everybody was selling like that on a debut without major backing.

lmao....because it was....how old are you?...

 

[mobbinfms]

Bruh please.........the poster above you already posted numbers....and if you're around my age then there should be no disputing.....why all these people trying to rewrite history???....

Which poster? May have him on ignore.
How are my numbers wrong though?

 

[West Coast Avenger]

Which poster? May have him on ignore.
How are my numbers wrong though?

I never said your numbers were wrong....I said other artist did bigger numbers on their release day....you can claim all u want RD was sought after but old heads like myself know that album was not sought after till years later as other heads finally caught on...regional hip hop got alot of major play on bet, the box and mtv....but Jay wasn't getting love like that around that time....it was maybe 2-3 years later after that he did....

 

[mobbinfms]

I never said your numbers were wrong....I said other artist did bigger numbers on their release day....you can claim all u want RD was sought after but old heads like myself know that album was not sought after till years later as other heads finally caught on...regional hip hop got alot of major play on bet, the box and mtv....but Jay wasn't getting love like that around that time....it was maybe 2-3 years later after that he did....

I'm only taking issue with people saying NOBODY knew him or he was irrelevant in 96. Otherwise I agree with @spliz

 

[West Coast Avenger]

I'm only taking issue with people saying NOBODY knew him or he was irrelevant in 96. Otherwise I agree with @spliz

I can agree with you on that....Jay was known...and Dead Presidents got major play on all the music video network's....

 

[Art Barr]

00000000000000000000000000000022

At no point did everybody go gold. The album was actually certified gold in 96. Jay definitely wasn't mainstream. Hip hop fans were definitely checking for him or had awareness of him in 96.

It shipped gold because only 500k run of the initial album was all that was slated to print.
You could still find freeze rd everywhere before 97 and still find them in 98 and 99.


Art Barr