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Tom Foolery

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Let's start.

You had 2 type of rappers, The MC and the Conscious rapper. The old rappers (Rakim, BDK, De la soul, ATCQ Public Enemy etc. ) who fall under these categories are not cutting it anymore.

The east needs something new to combat against the West Coast. This began the quick flow/tongue twister style (das efx, Lords of the Underground, Naughty by Nature, Even Jay-z started out like this etc). This pushed the whole gritty NY/East Coast style. Tough grimy beats, hard lyrics, complex rhyming/flow. Though popular, it was too distinct and started to getting old after a few years. The style wasn't natural and was off putting to some, especially to you people outside of the east.

Enter Illmatic. It was perfect. Nas took the artistry of the MC, the mindset of the Conscious rapper and the hardcore style of the tongue twister, but left out the over the top flow. This laid the groundwork for everybody. Don't believe me, Go listen to Onyx-Slam or NBN-Hip Hop Hooray and ask yourself "Why don't we rap like this anymore?". Nas killed the 3 styles and merged them into one, that's why.

Was Illmatic a commercial success? No, but guaranteed if you a rapper on the east this was your study guide/your bible/your new standard. This is what make it a classic, it changed the way his mentors, peers and students looked at rapping.

This is why Nas can say "Name a rapper that I ain't influence?" and never get checked for it. Because it's true.

Anyone in this thread discrediting Illmatic is not a true hip-hop fan. You are a poser that needs to do your history or just stick to Eminem.
 

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I haven't been arguing over which album ny cats liked more between illmatic and rd. I don't give a fukk which album you lames liked better. And who cares shag snoop knew nas? My point was that the same bullshyt that cats are trying to use to shade RD can be used to shade illmatic. You're emotional because you're a nas-fanboy:yeshrug:
For one. Trackmasters weren't just some Bad Boy producers. Actually Puff stole from them. But that's another story. Second. This ain't about who likes what better either. Even Future said the album is classic. I feel that way too. The argument is what about Jay not having any impact when he first released. Which is true. Then he mentioned Nas saying that Nas was basically a big deal from when he dropped. Which is also true. Nas made an impact on release. He made a cultural impact. It's undeniable and undebateable. This ain't about who liked what more. But nikkas sat this whole thread and twisted nikkas like me and my words around to deviate from a simple fact. Know why? They mad. And now :umad:. I'm too wise to argue wit fools at this point.
 

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Lmao tupac had two albums and fans before Nas was out wtf

Pac was also riding around bumpin illmatic heavy

Pac was also bumping it was written the day he died

Pac called Nas the ringleader

Cube Face Chuck D and Nas can never be disrespected by Pac fans
 

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Let's start.

You had 2 type of rappers, The MC and the Conscious rapper. The old rappers (Rakim, BDK, De la soul, ATCQ Public Enemy etc. ) who fall under these categories are not cutting it anymore.

The east needs something new to combat against the West Coast. This began the quick flow/tongue twister style (das efx, Lords of the Underground, Naughty by Nature, Even Jay-z started out like this etc). This pushed the whole gritty NY/East Coast style. Tough grimy beats, hard lyrics, complex rhyming/flow. Though popular, it was too distinct and started to getting old after a few years. The style wasn't natural and was off putting to some, especially to you people outside of the east.

Enter Illmatic. It was perfect. Nas took the artistry of the MC, the mindset of the Conscious rapper and the hardcore style of the tongue twister, but left out the over the top flow. This laid the groundwork for everybody. Don't believe me, Go listen to Onyx-Slam or NBN-Hip Hop Hooray and ask yourself "Why don't we rap like this anymore?". Nas killed the 3 styles and merged them into one, that's why.

Was Illmatic a commercial success? No, but guaranteed if you a rapper on the east this was your study guide/your bible/your new standard. This is what make it a classic, it changed the way his mentors, peers and students looked at rapping.

This is why Nas can say "Name a rapper that I ain't influence?" and never get checked for it. Because it's true.

Anyone in this thread discrediting Illmatic is not a true hip-hop fan. You are a poser that needs to do your history or just stick to Eminem.

Great post.

I know an older cat who was trying to get into the rap game back in the early 90s. When Illmatic came out, he quit :russ:

I'm sure he's not the only one.
 
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