Gary Payton: "Lebron Wouldn't be as good in our era"

[god shamgod]

Show me proof, this is like some unproven crap fools say to defend something that is flat out not true.

You're exposing yourself you couldn't have possibly watched 90's

Rodman trolled frank brickowski into a flagrant,then a tech and eventually getting ejected from a finals game





Allen iverson attacked this nikka during and after the game



6:03 mark look at how zo is chokin this nikka

You clearly don't know wtf you're talkin about.Now show some footage of kg doin this

 

[#1 pick]

With the lack of 2 guards in the league he probably could.

Lack of 2 guards?

When guys like Randy Wittman and Sam Mack are starting. I don't want to here nothing about lack of 2 guards. That's like Colby Karl or Priest Launderdale starting.

 

[RedBull]

Rodman was the goat.

 

[#1 pick]

nikkas on this site is beyond foolish. Just because a position on has one or two superstars doesn't mean it's weak. It just means just that is only has two players who can be considered elite at their position.

 

[Swagnificent]

You nikkas are missing the point. The more interesting thing is that old players got no respect for Bron. You ain't see legends say Kobe couldn't play in their era.

 

[TYBG]

GP out of his fukn mind. Still the GOAT shyttalker

 

[TheNig]

Lack of 2 guards?

When guys like Randy Wittman and Sam Mack are starting. I don't want to here nothing about lack of 2 guards. That's like Colby Karl or Priest Launderdale starting.

nikka JR Smith ain't stopping no Jordan. Wade would get used and abused in the post.

 

[#1 pick]

nikka JR Smith ain't stopping no Jordan. Wade would get used and abused in the post.

No one is stopping MJ. No one is stopping anyone that's elite offensively.

 

[nieman]

Defensive schemes are better but there are no really great defenders. The best shotblockers don't go up with you (because they are scared to be dunked on) and they only do weakside blocks. Come on now, they play a zone. Zones are what you play in elementary school up to college, not the pros. You're not supposed to be able to play a zone against pros anyway, because everyone is supposed to be able to knock down the shot. Skill will always trump athleticism. On the perimeter, where are the GPs, Derek Harpers, EJ, Mookie Blaylock, MJ, Pippen, Mad Max? Its just too easy to get past your man in today's game.

I do agree that it would be harder. A lot of people don't understand that the handcheck hinders your first step. It would take more effort than just using your athleticism to blow past someone. You have to be able to have that pull up once you get to your spot. Why do all guards today constantly drive into the lane, verses driving then the quick pull-up from 15'?

 

[JYoung24]

He would have dominated the mid and late 90 just off the fact that he is much better than everybody including the player who was much better than everybody at the time in MJ. Lebron is just the best Basketball player since KAJ and in the league with Wilt and Bill as well.

gtfoh

 

[PTBG]

GP out of his fukn mind. Still the GOAT shyttalker

nikka was still the GOAT shyttalker while he was and over the hill with the Celtics, Lakers, and the Heat. nikka would still want to guard the opposing team's best player and try to take players off the dribble while still being

 

[InvictusAeternusEternus]

Slightly more athletic?

Look at the PG's, the most athletic PG of the 80's and early 90's was Kevin Johnson who is as athletic as Jeff Teague. Today, you got superfreaks like and not to mention speed demons all over the league. Come on son. That's crazy talk for real.


What about Devin Harris, Jason Kidd, Derrick Fisher,Kirk Hinrich,Rondo,steve nash,Jameer Nelson,Jeremy Lynn, ect ect ect. Plus half these speed freaks you talk about are brain dead with a wack J and wouldnt even make it through the college game to get to the NBA

Look at SG: In the 90's you had the Wittman, Tipuka, Ehlo, Miller, Hornecek, Henderson, Gill, Dumars of the world. Most usually loot footed defenders who are great shooters. Outside of Drexler, Harper, and Jordan who are great athletes who can score.

Reddikk,Kevin Martin old ass Vince Carter, James Harden, Bradley Beal,Nick Young,Ray Allen, Jason Terry,bellineli are all in the top 25 scoreres at SG

Today you either have great athletes who can either score or defend, the great ones can do both. All defenders have excellent length and lateral quickness, the scorers and score at an elite level and the shooters have to be specialist because of the ability to be defended and taken out of the game as starters.

Man to man D is garbage (with a few exceptions)in todays game because A) its not taught early and often enough and B) the rules are set in a way to cater to the offensive player even more to the superstar offensive player

To say today doesn't have better athletes is

Didnt say they were not better just saying that the gap isnt anywhere close to as large as you try and make it seem and that there were plenty of guys in the 80's and 90's (and earlier) with the same level of athletisism as guys today

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

IMO it's players from every era who could play in any era. That's what separates them.

So we are really talking about the average player playing in different eras.

What I do is put every advantage in place the the most current era has and attribute it to what ever era is in question. Ex. What if wilt had everything available to him that is available(modern medicine, move sets etc.) to the current player but use the rules that were in place back then. After all, every current generation does benifit from the previous. (Ex. Jordan's sons)

All that being said you would use the toughest era (rules) to judge players. But never knowing what would happen is what makes it fun to debate.

Edit:I already know what's gonna happen in this thread. Someone is gonna name a random all star and compare him to marginal players who may have one or two attribute said star player has. Not taking into account marginal players in that era who may have attributes the same or better than players today.

 

[kingofnyc]

why do people hate lebron so much

 

[stepbackj34spud]

Paul Pierce had one of his best seasons when hand-checking was allowed. These old-timers is salty as fukk.