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GP is stupid and when did he lock down Jordan?
96 finals.
Gary Payton: "Lebron Wouldn't be as good in our era"
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96 finals.
InvictusAeternusEternus
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IMO prime Paul Pierce has one of the sickest offensive games of anybody who has ever played though. Hes a little like an older Mike but not as explosive. Very high BBIQ hes
and still avg like 18-19 a game with less hops than current Patrick Ewing and the explosiveness of Rodney Rodgers wheel chair.
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I was going to say this. I'm old enough to remember something called "illegal defense". nikkas like me and @mastermind seen the game evolve. Defense was pitiful in the 80s. It's the reason teams had to resort to phyical play at times because they couldn't stop a lot of players. LeBron weighs more than 90% of the big men in ALL eras. He can return the favor. Multiple teams scored at will back then. Denver nuggets had 3 dudes averaging over 20 pts per game in the same years. Handchecking means nothing if the person you are guarding is bigger, more athletic and stronger than you are.
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Karl Malone would throw him to the floor before letting him dunk.
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I hate the complete over exaggeration of hard fouls being an every game occurance during the 80s and 90s. That shyt was reserved for the playoffs more often than not.
These dudes talk as if the was a drop the sticks and take the gloves off moment during every game.
Just annoying....and the older I get....the more I hate old niqqas from my era start creating myths to exalt themselves or their era.
Shut the fukk up!!!
I had an old teammate of mines claim me and him rushed for the same amount of yards in a game I went buck wild for over 200 yards rushing. I swear.....niqqas think time grants them permission to over embellish.
These dudes talk as if the was a drop the sticks and take the gloves off moment during every game.
Just annoying....and the older I get....the more I hate old niqqas from my era start creating myths to exalt themselves or their era.
Shut the fukk up!!!
I had an old teammate of mines claim me and him rushed for the same amount of yards in a game I went buck wild for over 200 yards rushing. I swear.....niqqas think time grants them permission to over embellish.
stepbackj34spud
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IMO prime Paul Pierce has one of the sickest offensive games of anybody who has ever played though. Hes a little like an older Mike but not as explosive. Very high BBIQ hes
I've been watching Paul Pierce since 2001-02.. imo he was at his best from 01-02 -08-09, but he probably wasnt at his best skills wise until the 04-05 season when Doc came through. Other than Kobe Bryant, I don't think anybody had a better offensive move set than Paul Pierce from 05-09. Still the hand-checking ish is bs, arguably Pierce's best season came during hand-checking.
Everyone that posts on here and plays basketball has to deal with handchecking, it's really not the holy grail of defense.
InvictusAeternusEternus
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I've been watching Paul Pierce since 2001-02.. imo he was at his best from 01-02 -08-09, but he probably wasnt at his best skills wise until the 04-05 season when Doc came through. Other than Kobe Bryant, I don't think anybody had a better offensive move set than Paul Pierce from 05-09. Still the hand-checking ish is bs, arguably Pierce's best season came during hand-checking.
Hand checking isnt "AS" effective against guys with high BBIQs who also have a million moves but against someone (a large portion of the league)who is just an athlete with a broke ass jumper and blahzay BBIQ it would be very effective.
InvictusAeternusEternus
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Its more effective than the zone though. Nothing funnier, more feeble or pathetic than niqqas in a pick up game with little experience playing together or playing zone D in general trying to run a zone.
Pierce is a mid range shooter not the slasher that Bron is.
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Somebody mentioned Jim Jackson averaging 25 a game. Jim averaged that because dude could shoot his ass off. Jim/Paul's styles aren't comparable at ALL.
This shyt is the same reaction that cats had when MJ mentioned the Bron vs. Kobe. All dudes see is Bron's name then what they think is a slight then all logic goes out of the window and y'all start throwing out salty claims. The dude wrote the article is probably posting on this board right now feeling good about himself.
Stop being white knights and read what GP said. None of that shyt is wrong. He didn't say they'd shut down Bron. He gave Bron credit as a great player. He didn't say he wouldn't get his, but said it'd be different and I can guarantee it would just based off the fact that they could touch dude. That resistance would change how he could play no matter how much of an athletic freak Bron is. Right now, with the rules as they are, Bron could average 40 points a game if he wanted just by going to the hoop every time. Bron himself said he could lead the league is scoring if he wanted and that's true.
Back then? It's like GP said, they could guide him away from the hoop a lot better than they could today. Bron is strong as hell, but it ain't all about strength, it's about leverage too. Try to go play a game with someone constantly pushing on your hip while you're trying to get past them. Even if you are quicker and stronger than then it makes going to the hoop MUCH harder. It also helps the defender regain position. You don't have to outmuscle, like the writer said, just throw his balance off. Leverage is a basic concept that the writer ignored and balance is especially crucial in basketball. That's not even counting the fact that they used hard fouls as a deterrent for folks going to the hole often. MJ stopped going to the hoop as much just for those two reasons alone.
That's not to say Bron wouldn't develop or adjust, but it would be harder. He'd be a freak athletically no matter what and would definitely get his against the milwaukee bucks of the world back then, but when he would go against good teams - Sonics, Bulls, Knicks, Heat, Pacers, Lakers, - it wouldn't be easy like it is now.
1. Y'all put your capes on far too often for athletes.
2. If you read the article, GP ain't say, "Lebron wouldn't be as good in our era" he said "it'd be a little bit different. I guarantee you it would be. But he's still great, he's still a great basketball player and like I said he's playing in a great era because he can get to the bucket whenever he feels like it." and he's right. Nothing in that quote is wrong.
3. The dude who wrote that article is feeling Bron and bit too much and the threadstarter changed GP's quote for thread views. I wouldn't be shocked if they were the same person.
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No single player was guiding Bron someway with a hand check. Bron would be just as great back then as he is now. fukk all that nonsense....
Sick of older heads. They hate young niqqqas
Gil Scott-Heroin
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You are moron if you believe what Gary is saying. Athletic players back in that time had their way on the offense no matter who was guarding them. Grant Hill, Anfernee Hardaway, Sprewell, Ray Allen, and especially Iverson didn't have a problem averaging 20+ points a season in a era that was dominated by Centers and PFs. You can't stop an athletic freak that is build as a PF and quick as pg from attacking the paint.
You nikkas are missing the point. The more interesting thing is that old players got no respect for Bron. You ain't see legends say Kobe couldn't play in their era.
True....Kobe allways gets respect from old heads while Bron gets shytted on constantly. Real niccas can see the bytch in him its no surprise he keeps getting shat on
