General Motors workers call their first nation wide strike since 1982

[Originalman]

Yeah I would have taken the deal too. I didn't know they were playing dirt like though. Like my company has a contract with Ford, I didn't even know there would be a potential strike until Thursday. shyts wild. Looking to get out ASAP.

Good insight bruh

Good luck breh.

I worked in manufacturing for years. On the line as an operator in college and as an engineer as a professional....so I know how that shyt is.

I will always ride with the unions cause I know how these companies treat employees when there is no union. Working overseas now..its is crazy how dirty these companies are. Another company I use to work for laid off 4k people in china in one week. Told them folks to kick rocks and moved most the work to india. Then went to mexico and laid off 2k jobs and sent that work to india.

fukked up part in mexico they laid off 2k people in one day....yes one day. Told them people to kick rocks as they were coming into work on a tuesday. Yes they literally let these folks work a monday and then the next day laid them off.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

People paid into those pensions. They didnt break the manufacturing economy in the US, globalization did. Even without pensions western nations cant compete with manufacturing in developing countries where they can work a person 12 hour shifts with mandatory unpaid OT, 2 days off a month, and wages that start at 18 cents an hour.

And they get their pensions.

At the time of the recession people with 30 years in were walking away with $3500 a month in pensions... that rate would be higher now with the same time put in. Believe it or not the average person would end up getting adjusted to half that amount because of the fukkery on their files.. divorces, child support, alimony... penalties for early retirement.

Boomers fukked up. Globalization didn't send their jobs abroad. It became inefficient to make goods here and the market adjusted. Tesla is making cars here now but they aren't giving out back in the day GM salaries... They are increasingly and automating everything they can in the process to keep the company above red.

Nobody is obligated to buy anything cheaper made abroad and that's why I told you it's a stalemate. People can talk all that bring back the jobs murica garbage but when it's time to make and buy shyt from here it's crickets. That premium price isn't attractive, Put your money where your mouth is. A corporation isn't beholden to the people just profits. They aren't bringing back jobs for nostalgia...

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

When you say abuse the system, what do you mean? I think I know exactly what you are saying though. Just need confirmation

I seen multiple examples of fraud within unions when it comes to benefit claims. People who are protected by unions and kept on the job but should be fired. A ridiculous amount of fake disability claims where muthafukaz are sitting on their ass at home getting cheques claiming they got "injured" on jobs. This type of shyt is ridiculously rampant and it kills workforce efficiency plus drives up costs like crazy.

 

[JackRoss]

Good luck breh.

I worked in manufacturing for years. On the line as an operator in college and as an engineer as a professional....so I know how that shyt is.

I will always ride with the unions cause I know how these companies treat employees when there is no union. Working overseas I see how dirty these companies are. Another company I use to work for laid off 4k people in china in one week. Told them folks to kick rocks and moved most the work to india. Then went to mexico and laid off 2k jobs and sent that work to india.

fukked up part in mexico they laid off 2k people in one day....yes one day. Told them people to kick rocks.

How the fukk can and do they get away with that shyt? Do companies fear unions? I just asked do about unions and he mentioned abuse. I've seen how some workers tend to abuse the power of being in unions. I've been a part of a "weak" union before. Why are some so strong and others are weaker? Are mechanics a part of the UAW? That "weak" union wasn't a part of the manufacturing industry though. We dealt with meat

For like Chipotle, Subway etc. That shyt had me baffled how "weak" they were

 

[Mook]

It's more of the culture they breed. Unions are great and they played a major role in society for Blue Collar workers... Problem is they got too big and powerful for their own good. A lot of workers abused their protection and the job market reacted. Today you see so many employment agencies middle manning the hiring process for employers which has led to a lot of Employers not even having real HR departments. They cut a lot of costs associated with employees and their administration by transferring a lot of their work force into temporary position instead of permanent then cut benefits. The actual ability for employees to be protected as full time workers is absent and unions are rare now compared to before.

I know Union workers from manufacturing to government jobs I've seen them abuse the system to their benefit. Most of them are also boomers. We were left holding the bag for this

None of this is true.

Truth: it took about 40 years of union busting and various laws to get us to where unions don't have power now. Basically political corruption.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Really comes down to trying to get back some of the things we conceded during bankruptcy. Gave up cost of living allowance, gave up some insurance things, haven't had a real raise in about ten years, GM is employing temps off and on for 5 plus years instead of hiring them or allowing transfers from idled plants. They didn't present a legitimate offer until 2 hours before the deadline. They have made record profits in the last few years but are still idling plants. There is a lot that goes into it.

Exactly what I'm talking about.

Lowkey this is THE work for us THIS generation.. to curtail the reach of temp agencies. Employers should go back to having HR departments and hiring on workers. This cycle of employing temps and never hiring them on has been the wave in manufacturing and has creeped into almost all other employment fields.

Even if they bring back jobs or keep jobs like this the bolded is what will keep happening.

 

[JackRoss]

I seen multiple examples of fraud within unions when it comes to benefit claims. People who are protected by unions and kept on the job but should be fired. A ridiculous amount of fake disability claims where muthafukaz are sitting on their ass at home getting cheques claiming they got "injured" on jobs. This type of shyt is ridiculously rampant and it kills workforce efficiency plus drives up costs like crazy.

Yeah that's what I figured. When my lady was doing auditing for this one company a few years ago, I was shocked that shyt all turned out clean and decent. I cant remember if it was one of the auto companies or like UPS or FedEx. I've seen and heard of "underhanded" things about with unions

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

"Those lazy union guys!"

How hard does the average billionaire work?

 

[The_Sheff]

And they get their pensions.

At the time of the recession people with 30 years in were walking away with $3500 a month in pensions... that rate would be higher now with the same time put in. Believe it or not the average person would end up getting adjusted to half that amount because of the fukkery on their files.. divorces, child support, alimony... penalties for early retirement.

Boomers fukked up. Globalization didn't send their jobs abroad. It became inefficient to make goods here and the market adjusted. Tesla is making cars here now but they aren't giving out back in the day GM salaries... They are increasingly and automating everything they can in the process to keep the company above red.

Nobody is obligated to buy anything cheaper made abroad and that's why I told you it's a stalemate. People can talk all that bring back the jobs murica garbage but when it's time to make and buy shyt from here it's crickets. That premium price isn't attractive, Put your money where your mouth is. A corporation isn't beholden to the people just profits. They aren't bringing back jobs for nostalgia...

It became inefficient to make things here because the pay and benefits costs were much cheaper abroad once free trade and limited tariffs started coming into play. You cant just say it became inefficient to make things here without speaking on the specifics. And the overwhelming majority of the union workers had nothing to do with the design of the vehicles, which is what caused American made cars to fall out of favor.

Have you read about how horrible of a place Tesla is to work? Everyone is on pins and needles afraid they are going to be fired at any moment. And the reason Tesla can operate here without the decent wages is because the other manufacturing sectors moved overseas and the people in those communities were willing to accept anything to put food on the table. Globalization is allowing companies to essentially hit the reset button. GM cant just close a plant on one street where the average salary was 27 bucks an hour and open another the next street over with pay at 14 bucks. But a KIA, Volkswagon, or Telsa, which didnt have legacy costs can move right on in. So companies are now playing this game of musical chairs where they can operate somewhere new for 20 years, pull out before they rack up legacy benefit costs, then move somewhere else due to receiving free land and millions of dollars in tax breaks. It costs them nothing to play that game because local communities are willing to pay them to do it, or else.

Stop spewing the propaganda of corporations. You have the common man out here complaining about fake workman comp claims that are pennies on the dollar compared to the losses attributed to horrific decisions that are made by CEOs and upper management that manage to leave with millions of dollars in golden parachutes even when the company experiences a downturn. Its like when white people complain that welfare allows black women to load up on steak and lobsters for free but they dont say shyt about Monsanto sticking its hand in the governments pocket whenever it can.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

It became inefficient to make things here because the pay and benefits costs were much cheaper abroad once free trade and limited tariffs started coming into play. You cant just say it became inefficient to make things here without speaking on the specifics. And the overwhelming majority of the union workers had nothing to do with the design of the vehicles, which is what caused American made cars to fall out of favor.

Have you read about how horrible of a place Tesla is to work? Everyone is on pins and needles afraid they are going to be fired at any moment. And the reason Tesla can operate here without the decent wages is because the other manufacturing sectors moved overseas and the people in those communities were willing to accept anything to put food on the table. Globalization is allowing companies to essentially hit the reset button. GM cant just close a plant on one street where the average salary was 27 bucks an hour and open another the next street over with pay at 14 bucks. But a KIA, Volkswagon, or Telsa, which didnt have legacy costs can. So companies are now playing this shell game where they can operate somewhere new for 20 years, pull out before they rack up legacy benefit costs, then move somewhere else due to receiving free land and millions of dollars in tax breaks. It costs them nothing to play that game because local communities are willing to pay them to do it, or else.

I never said Tesla was great I said that is what people are getting if they bring manufacturing jobs back...

And as much as you are for the people if you believe the boomer workforce didn't affect how we live today then you are only looking at one side of things.

Globalisation was always going to be a factor. Middle class growth in Asia then Africa... Add to the fact that the Western world was propped up on the backs of the developing worlds, As these countries grow they will demand more for their resources... We are never "going back" People need to adjust to modern reality. Even china is increasingly using cheaper labor abroad as their middle class grows (they don't want factory jobs) and also automating.

If anything the work this generation has cut out for it is to bring on a legal fight against temp agencies and temp employment. They are raping workers and giving employers a way out of paying full wages and benefits. Their legality and reach has to come into question.

 

[We Ready]

So can you give us more perspective on the impact the strike is having. With the number of temps GM is paying will the 50k on strike cause the plants to shut down completely or will they just produce fewer cars with the temps?

The fact that the teamsters are refusing to transport any GM vehicles is what's going to hurt them. They have plenty of product on the lots right now, but nobody to move it for them.


The temps that were employed at the time of the stoles are striking as well. They are Union represented.

 

[The_Sheff]

I never said Tesla was great I said that is what people are getting if they bring manufacturing jobs back...

And as much as you are for the people if you believe the boomer workforce didn't affect how we live today then you are only looking at one side of things.

Globalisation was always going to be a factor. Middle class growth in Asia then Africa... Add to the fact that the Western world was propped up on the backs of the developing worlds, As these countries grow they will demand more for their resources... We are never "going back" People need to adjust to modern reality. Even china is increasingly using cheaper labor abroad as their middle class grows (they don't want factory jobs) and also automating.

If anything the work this generation has cut out for it is to bring on a legal fight against temp agencies and temp employment. They are raping workers and giving employers a way out of paying full wages and benefits. Their legality and reach has to come into question.

There are always two sides, its just that the side that can pay millions of dollars in anti-union propaganda and lobbying unfortunately has its side heard a lot more often. There is no reason a shop employee making 14 dollars an hour should be anti union.

The boomers have fukked up a lot of things and unfortunately since they actually vote and the youth doesnt they can continue to make sure their interests are met first and foremost. Somehow they became the last generation to actually show up to the polls and vote for things they want.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

There are always two sides, its just that the side that can pay millions of dollars in anti-union propaganda and lobbying unfortunately has its side heard a lot more often. There is no reason a shop employee making 14 dollars an hour should be anti union.

The boomers have fukked up a lot of things and unfortunately since they actually vote and the youth doesn't they can continue to make sure their interests are met first and foremost. Somehow they became the last generation to actually show up to the polls and vote for things they want.

If you making 14 an hr in a shop then some agency is taking a good $4-6 off your head. Is it easier to unionize or get the temp agencies the fukk outta here?

I'm not pro or against anything. I wasn't swayed by propaganda, I speak from experience. I have been the temp shop employee. I have been the pencil pusher. I saw all sides. These companies are still paying $20+ for those jobs and the agencies are their buffer from responsibility.

 

[O.Red]

White people been voting against their own interests since the dinosaurs and some of y'all still give them credit for logic they've shown you they don't possess

Some of y'all sounding exactly like you did in 2016

 

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