Get Outplayed In An Elimination Game By A 2nd Yr PG Breaughs

[Cynical Thoughts]

Word, just like there was nothing special about Shaq's run. All he did was catch the ball in the post and take shots within 10 feet. p*ssy shyt, my eight year old nephew can make paint shots all day. Shaq nothing more than a glorified paint camper

You see how stupid that sounds? Should curry be banging in the paint every game instead of doing what's won him 3 championships?

This is the 1st time I’ve ever heard post players seeking out contact being referred to as “p*ssy shyt”.

I get what he is saying. shooting to many 3s used to mean you didn’t want no parts/scared/soft of the paint.

I get what you are saying also, It’s a different time and nobody looks at 3s as bail out shots.

let what he does great breathe, and stop putting him in lanes he doesn’t belong.

 

[Won Won]

chicago my nikka.

Sorry to hear that

 

[El Coupeacabra]

MJ played in arguably the best era of centers and guards

What

U talmbout the era where Jeff Hornacek was an all star

Where the "best" matchup that the Phoenix Suns had for MJ was a 6'0" Kevin Johnson

Dumars + Payton aside

What other guard was seeing MJ in the way that KD and Giannis see Lebron?

Or that Russ/Kyrie/Dame/Paul see Steph?

Smh

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Right I understand; but the bolded is what I was engaging the breh about. MJ vs Steph at 33 in regards to their respective ppg and the efficiency of it... so what was that, 97, 98?

Yeah, I was just throwing out the FYI cause you said "mid-90s to early-00s" and I saw it a little different than that.

So far as 1998 goes, MJ played at about a 15% slower pace (Bulls were a very slow 89 in 1998, Warriors are a rather fast 102 now), but it's virtually exactly offset by him playing 15% more minutes (34/game for Steph this year, 39/game for MJ in 98).

You can see that in the per-possession numbers, which perfectly account for pace and minutes differences:

MJ's per-100 possessions in 1998: 40-8-5 on 48% from 2pt, 24% from 3pt, 78% from ft
Steph's per-100 possessions now: 43-8-8 on 57% from 2pt, 43% from 3pt, 92% from ft

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Comparing Curry to Shaq and MJ now , y'all always find a way. And yeah what they did was more impressive considering they did not need the 3 ball and faced tougher comp on both ends ( Both Shaq and MJ played in arguably the best era of centers and guards , smh at minimizing how they scored), that were more physical as well.

MJ's prime and Shaq's start both came in the "expansion era" of the NBA, when 6 teams were added in just 7 years. How the hell are you going to have the toughest comp when you suddenly dilute every team with the fastest expansion in league history?

1990s were full of undersized or slow guards, I mean you had freaking Dan Majerle and John Stockton making All-Defensive teams. You can't seriously claim they'd been on the level of the top defensive guards today. And offensively guard play suffered so much in that era they had to shorten the 3pt line just so they could hit shots. Mark Price and Latrell Sprewell made 1st-team All-NBA in that era, guard play is FAR superior now.

Shaq did enter the league during a height of center talent at the top end, but it's not like that's who he faced every day. There were a hell of a lot of stiffs around the league too. He only faced Dream/Admiral/Dikembe twice a year and by the time he was 1/3 of the way into his career most of those GOATs had aged out, he never beat a single one of them in the playoffs until he defeated a washed 36yo Hakeem in 1999.

Not to mention that the institution of zones effectively ended the iso era that Shaq and MJ thrived in. MJ said himself that he never would have had the career he had if he had been faced with zones.

 

[nairdas]

Steph making this thread basically inconceivable

 

[malbaker86]

What

U talmbout the era where Jeff Hornacek was an all star

Where the "best" matchup that the Phoenix Suns had for MJ was a 6'0" Kevin Johnson

Dumars + Payton aside

What other guard was seeing MJ in the way that KD and Giannis see Lebron?

Or that Russ/Kyrie/Dame/Paul see Steph?

Smh

Drexler. He wasn’t a guard but Dominique, Reggie, Richmond

 

[Peruvian Connect]

MJ's prime and Shaq's start both came in the "expansion era" of the NBA, when 6 teams were added in just 7 years. How the hell are you going to have the toughest comp when you suddenly dilute every team with the fastest expansion in league history?

1990s were full of undersized or slow guards, I mean you had freaking Dan Majerle and John Stockton making All-Defensive teams. You can't seriously claim they'd been on the level of the top defensive guards today. And offensively guard play suffered so much in that era they had to shorten the 3pt line just so they could hit shots. Mark Price and Latrell Sprewell made 1st-team All-NBA in that era, guard play is FAR superior now.

Shaq did enter the league during a height of center talent at the top end, but it's not like that's who he faced every day. There were a hell of a lot of stiffs around the league too. He only faced Dream/Admiral/Dikembe twice a year and by the time he was 1/3 of the way into his career most of those GOATs had aged out, he never beat a single one of them in the playoffs until he defeated a washed 36yo Hakeem in 1999.

Not to mention that the institution of zones effectively ended the iso era that Shaq and MJ thrived in. MJ said himself that he never would have had the career he had if he had been faced with zones.

Expansion did not dillute any team. What Marquee play was ever made availabe in an expansion draft?

 

[CHICAGO]

Steph making this thread basically inconceivable

31 SHOTS...

MISSED WIDE OPEN GAME WINNER.

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[BigMoneyGrip]

31 SHOTS...

MISSED WIDE OPEN GAME WINNER.

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Still have 37 you goofy plus he was gassed... still 42% FG and 40% 3pt

when you going to throw in the towel bro?

 

[CHICAGO]

Still have 37 you goofy plus he was gassed... still 42% FG and 40% 3pt

when you going to throw in the towel bro?

37 PTS ON 31 SHOTS

MISSED WIDE OPEN GAME WINNER

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[BigMoneyGrip]

37 PTS ON 31 SHOTS

MISSED WIDE OPEN GAME WINNER

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Ok but when you going to throw in the towel?

 

[CHICAGO]

Ok but when you going to throw in the towel?

WHEN HE MAKES
THE PLAYOFFS.



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[dayun]

Still 8th seed.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Expansion did not dillute any team. What Marquee play was ever made availabe in an expansion draft?

Dumbass says marquee players were never available as if the Hornets didn't grab Muggsy Bogues and Dell Curry in the expansion draft.

Kelly Tripucka, Reggie Theus, Scott Skiles, Oliver Miller, B.J. Armstrong, Greg Anthony, Byron Scott, and Gerald Wilkens were all grabbed during expansion drafts too.

And we're talking about how their stats were accumulated, you don't just accumulate stats against "marquee players". There were three straight two-team expansions in that era ('88, '89, and '95). Every single time that happened, you got:

* Every team plays 4-8 games racking up #'s against shytty expansion teams
* Every opponent loses a role player who may have been a capable defender
* Every opponent gets knocked back two spots in the draft and was able to build less talent

There were ways to avoid losing a player in the expansion draft (like by making a deal with the expansion team), but they always diluted your talent in other ways, like trading away a 1st-round pick for the promise not to take one of your players. In the 1988 expansion draft alone, teams traded away 6 draft picks to the expansion teams in order to protect players.

That happened three times in 7 years. So you've had a constant addition of easy W's on your schedule, every team has lost 3 extra role players in 7 years and sometimes draft picks too, and every team got knocked back about 6 spots in the draft. How can you possibly say that the average talent level can increase under those conditions when you've seriously diluted the talent 3 consecutive times?