Ghost writing/Ghost Producing is a part of Rap. Get over it. *Update: GZA wrote for ODB

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JustCKing said:
Drake isn't the first or even only rapper to claim he was the best while having writers. Kanye claimed he was top 5 and did an entire album with Jay claiming to be Hip Hop royalty and you have people actually saying Kanye killed Jay on that album.

So either ghostwriting is a problem in Hip Hop or it isn't. If you give passes, it devalues the credibility of any anti- ghostwriting argument to the point that its invalid.
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I used Drake as the example because that's who i see most people who use this argument. I never heard many people or anyone claim Ye was the best except himself. Drake stans on the other hand are always claiming that shyt.
 
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T.he I.nformant said:
What did Wiz do on illmatic? :jbhmm:
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Wiz is literally on the songs. U can hear him on the intros and outros. And he and Nas came up with a couple of the hooks while chillin in the studio or on the block. Most of the Illmatic rhymes was old shyt Nas been wrote. The rest he wrote right there in front of the producer. Wiz was not penning no verses for Nas. Never happened. Some of the original versions of the songs would have Wiz on the hook instead of the original hook. Like “ The World Is Yours” was originally Wiz on the hook instead of Pete Rock.
 
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spliz said:
Wiz is literally on the songs. U can hear him on the intros and outros. And he and Nas came up with a couple of the hooks while chillin in the studio or on the block. Most of the Illmatic rhymes was old shyt Nas been wrote. The rest he wrote right there in front of the producer. Wiz was not penning no verses for Nas. Never happened. Some of the original versions of the songs would have Wiz on the hook instead of the original hook. Like “ The World Is Yours” was originally Wiz on the hook instead of Pete Rock.
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Are people really running with Wiz from the Bravehearts writing Illmatic?
 
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What a stupid c*nt thread

RZA, GZA and ODB used to do routines and GZA and ODB both spit the same verse on ODB debut album on different songs.

If you were listening this wouldn't be breaking news

"Do you fools listen to music or just skim thru it"

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JustCKing said:
There is nothing to defend. People on both sides take this hypocritical stance:

1) Drake is supposedly not to be taken serious as a rapper because he's considered a "Pop star".

2) Ghostwriting in Hip Hop is a cardinal sin

If we take both statements to be true, then

1) Drake having writers should not be an issue given most Pop stars have writers and this is understood.

2) If this was such a "no no", no one would be given a pass no matter how great he or she claimed to be. The condition isn't what the artists thinks or what the perception of the media or masses think, it is the culture that matters. So if it is culturally acceptable for all these women and men to have writers, we can't cherry pick who gets a pass or who doesn't.

Also, the hypocritical stance on this is the mental gymnastics of "well as long as they didn't write X for Y, then I'm good" as it pertains to elite MC's.

The facts:

Ghostwriting exists in Hip Hop and passes have been handed out (prior to Drake's exposal). Some have gotten passes because they produced. Others got passes because they were females. Others got passes because they weren't considered greats (but the songs written for some of them are classics and make up a huge part of their legacy).
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You're making this shyt 100x more difficult than it needs to be.

Drake is a pop star to me. I'm not a fan.

To Drake's fans, he was supposed to be the next Jay-Z.

Even though he's a pop star to me, I can point out the ghost writing shyt because that's not the lane his fans placed him in. If his fans considered him....I dunno, the male version of Taylor Swift.....then it's a nonissue.

Matter of fact, ignoring all that....his own camp said rappers with ghostwriters shouldn't even be in the game. Around 2012 or so. Then come to find out, he has ghostwriters. You could completely ignore random ass people on the internet chiming in on the topic....because his own camp said ghostwriters aren't ok.

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And as far as the Ray Luv shyt....:mjlol:

If people want to shyt on Pac for that knock yourself out but the fact of the matter is if Nickeleus F. ghostwrote for Drake on "So Far Gone"....and then there was nothing else in Drake's career to even remotely suggest he'd use a ghostwriter....then there's nothing to discuss.

Cats are in here with the Ray Luv shyt like it's a smoking gun....when Drake had a writer back in 2009....reference tracks 7 years later....and Hush credited as a writer on 50-75% of two of his albums. Not to mention Mo-G claiming he was giving Drake bars.

Bottom line, there's too much suspicious shyt around Drake's career to give him the benefit of the doubt. A guy writing a random ass song for you that didn't really impact your career in any meaningful way =/= what's going on with Drake.

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