Ghostface >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biggie

[Ill-Yaz]

big victory verse >>>>>> any verse by ghost

BIG's two verses on Victory are my favorite of his

 

[Brayden]

big victory verse >>>>>> any verse by ghost

 

[Bondye Vodou]

Even ghost face don't believe this bullshyt

 

[ISO]

I gotta be real with you listenin to RTD makes my ears hurt

C'Mon son how are beats such as Ready to Die, Everyday Struggle, The What, Me and my bytch, Juicy, Big Poppa, Unbelievable outdated? The sampling in the intro is terrific.

The only think the producers of this album fukked up were the skits and that damn Jamaican tune. I could have really done without the skits of Biggie getting his dikk "sucked" or fukking some hoe.

 

[Cole Cash]

2) People dont listen to Ghostface outside the internet

:

you know what i dont get about this? EVERYONE IS ON THE INTERNET.

EVERYONE.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Funny when nikkas take their favorite underachieving rapper and try to elevate him over a nikka that didi it better. BIG has more Classic songs,classics verses on 2 albums than ghost had his whole career. If you coming from a famous click and cant propel that into being a rapper don,then you dont need to be compared to a nikka whom became a superstar without coming from a popular clique. close thread

 

[Tuling]

Personal classic

it's a classic by all means.

 

[keon]

ghost dont have any verse's that just had me like

that tony/montana song was the closest

 

[Griffith]

ones a bum who thinks hes a ninja and the other left rap with a diamond album on top of the game

 

[hex]

People dont listen to Ghostface outside the internet

80% of the U.S. has internet access. It's no longer fringe technology.

What's next? Only people with TVs listen to Ghostface?

Fred.

 

[mson]

I find it interesting that when rae and ghost were beefing with big it was as one entity.

 

[Yoda]

People with DRAKE avis should not be allowed to speak on GHOST and BIG real shyt

 

[DoomzdayzV]

ones a bum who thinks hes a ninja and the other left rap with a diamond album on top of the game

ghost really was a ninja tho....ask junior mafia what happened to em 96

 

[Rapmastermind]

You can't be serious thinking that Everyday Struggle, Miss U, and Sky's the Limit are super deep introspective records. Did you listen to the lyrics or just the beats? Just because the beat of those songs were mellow don't make it deep. His actually lyrical content was not deep. Take a song like Miss U, it's supposed to be some deep farewell tribute song yet the entire song is just Big bragging bout selling coke and a few of his friends dying in the process. On most songs, Big does little more than brag about selling coke, growing up from being poor to being a boss, having money, and pimping hoes. Nothing else, nothing more. He rode mellow beats but offered no introspective rhymes over them.

The majority of his content consist of myopic self-driven records, he was completely incapable of rhyming outside of his own vintage point. I like Biggie's music, but the only message I get from him is pimping bytches, slanging dope, etc. Ghost's subject matter and lyrical content is on another level from Biggie. Listening to Ghost is like going to an art museum and seeing a wall full of collage paintings that make you stare and think. Each one unique, none like the last. Listening to Biggie is like going to a preschool art class and looking at crayon drawings of children pretending to have deeper than they actually are capable of. Hell, I don't know why I even bother with someone with Big in his avatar who keeps talking bout "reaching people". Well so did Nelly. Nelly gotta be on another tier by your logic.

"Everyday Struggle, Sky's the Limit, Juicy and Miss U" are deep records, just cause you didn't connect with them don't mean they weren't deep. Just go to youtube and look at all the comments from real people about what those records did for them. Also you obviously didn't listen to the songs if you couldn't find the meaning behind the storytelling. Take "Miss U" which you claim Big was just bragging about selling drugs. If you took the time to listen to the lyrics you would see he's telling a story about his man O and what happen to him and how his family reacted. O was lost to the drug game so that's why the story was about drugs.

LOL @ "He couldn't rap outside of his vantage point" do you even listen to Big? He got mutiple storytelling songs playing multiple characters. Plus Big is from the streets so his stories will deal with what happens on the street. The issue is you have a limited view on what a deep record is. "Things Dun Changed" was a very deep song but because Biggie isn't talking about politics I would guess you would say it wasn't. "Suicidal Thoughts" is also a deep song. The whole "Ready To Die" album was deep cause Biggie talked about the trappings of the drug game. The moral of that album wasn't being a Kingpin and riding off in the sunset. The moral was This Drug Life has two endings. Dead (Suicidal Thoughts, the ending of the album) or In Jail (Ready To Die Intro).

So school I didn't show up, it fukked my flow up
Mom said that I should grow up and check myself
before I wreck myself, disrespect myself
Put the drugs on the shelf? Nah, couldn't see it
Scarface, King of New York, I wanna be it
Rap was secondary, money was necessary
Until I got incarcerated--kinda scary
C74-Mark 8 set me straight
Not able to move behind the great steel gate
Time to contemplate, damn, where did I fail?
All the money I stacked was all the money for bail


Doesn't sound like Big's having a great time being a drug dealer here. "Sky's the limit" is a story about starting from the bottom of the game and making it to the top. "Juicy" is one of the most inspirational rap songs of all time. Funny you say Big wasn't introspective yet his 1st single is still inspiring folks till this day. "Everyday Struggle" is something anyone can relate too as we are all going through day to day struggles. Biggie was a storyteller, he never claimed to be changing the world. His albums are not different than an author or director. Why do you think he called himself "The Hitchcock of Hip Hop", Biggie Smalls is a name of a movie character. King of New York is a Christopher Walken movie. Biggie was a filmmaker on wax.

The fact is and nobody has yet to dispute this. Who talks about Ghost as a Top 10 Emcee? Yet he's suppose to be better than Big who's on damn near everyone's list? As for my Avi having Big in it, so what, it has NaS too. I can debate you or anyone about Hip Hop so who's in my avi is irrelevant to the topic. There are people without Biggie Avi's who are saying the same as me. Ghost ain't seeing Big. Your Museum Vs Preschool analogy doesn't fly cause Biggie is considered one of the Best, therefor his work isn't Preschool but looked at more as a University. Plenty of Emcees have went to Biggie University which is why the whole game can't keep his lyrics out their mouth. Rea and Ghost did a song with Big and 10 years after he dropped that '"nikkas bleed" verse neither of them could outshine him yet Ghost is better?:




Big >>>>>>>>> Ghost & Rae

 

[mobbinfms]

so, he has songs like visiting a magical forest full of disney characters, or a whole song of gettin his ass whooped by his father, or discovering atlantis underwater? no? ghost does.

Fair point. Clearly i shouldn't have wrote that LITERALLY every conceivable rap song was on LAD.

The point is he checked off a lot of different types of songs on that album and excelled in all of them.

Storytelling? Check.
Club Bangers? Check.
Songs for hip hop heads (I.e. joints produced by Preem and Havoc and RZA)? Check.
R&B flavored joints? Check.
Pop flavored joints where he still killed it lyrically? Check.
Double Time flow Midwest joint? Check.
Dead homies? Check.
Man vs woman? Check.
West coast track? Check.

So the argument that BIG wasn't versatile is simply asinine.