Ghostface >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biggie

[Yoda]

Bullet Of Wallets is not considered a classic. I've never heard that before.

I think Big is more versatile. Literally every conceivable rap song you can imagine is included on LAD and RTD is on a higher pantheon than Ghost's first two solos. Also - Ghost was never "the" rapper like BIG in 94-95 (and 97 would have been his had he lived - instead we got a bunch of video with Puff and Mase floating around).

That being said - Ghost did contribute heavily to OBFCL and was a part of 36.

At the end of the day I'm going with BIG - but it's close.

so, he has songs like visiting a magical forest full of disney characters, or a whole song of gettin his ass whooped by his father, or discovering atlantis underwater? no? ghost does.

 

[Spartacus89]

I wasn't even talking about sales. I fully understand Ghost isn't really a commercial emcee even though he did jump on some club records. I was talking about how fans view the rappers. Most fans have connected with Big than Ghostface in Hip Hop.



Debatable I think more people felt "Everyday Struggle, Juicy, Suicidal Thoughts, Miss U and Sky's the the limit" as far as "Deep/Pain/uplifting" songs from Big. I loved "All I got is You", it's a Classic but I'd again argue that more people "Felt" Big more. The problem with this debate is some of you are trying to put Ghost in the upper teir. He just didn't have that impact. That doesn't mean he didn't drop fire or isn't a good rapper cause he is. But he didn't connect on a Biggie level. And this isn't just about sales, it's about how fans view a rapper. Biggie connected to hip hop consciousness as solo emcee more than Ghost did. Now Ghost is apart of the Legendary Wu Tang so his legacy is set but we are talking about as solo emcees. Again Big's 2 Classics are better than Ghost 2 Classics.

You can't be serious thinking that Everyday Struggle, Miss U, and Sky's the Limit are super deep introspective records. Did you listen to the lyrics or just the beats? Just because the beat of those songs were mellow don't make it deep. His actually lyrical content was not deep. Take a song like Miss U, it's supposed to be some deep farewell tribute song yet the entire song is just Big bragging bout selling coke and a few of his friends dying in the process. On most songs, Big does little more than brag about selling coke, growing up from being poor to being a boss, having money, and pimping hoes. Nothing else, nothing more. He rode mellow beats but offered no introspective rhymes over them.

The majority of his content consist of myopic self-driven records, he was completely incapable of rhyming outside of his own vintage point. I like Biggie's music, but the only message I get from him is pimping bytches, slanging dope, etc. Ghost's subject matter and lyrical content is on another level from Biggie. Listening to Ghost is like going to an art museum and seeing a wall full of collage paintings that make you stare and think. Each one unique, none like the last. Listening to Biggie is like going to a preschool art class and looking at crayon drawings of children pretending to have deeper than they actually are capable of. Hell, I don't know why I even bother with someone with Big in his avatar who keeps talking bout "reaching people". Well so did Nelly. Nelly gotta be on another tier by your logic.

 

[the rhyme king]

i mean i can get deep into as to why, but i just don't like ghost more than big, i might come back and explain but if not take it how you take it.

i fux with ghost, he's very consistent but he's not the easiest listen, i kinda have to fukk with him in spurts rather than full albums, especially post ironman, i don't herald SC or BW as masterpieces like some nikkas do.

on the solo tip bigs two albums > whatever two ghost SOLOS you wanna compare them against.

ghostface killah lyricaly is better then biggie in terms overall
biggie was a monosyllable mc in terms of rhyming ghost was iller in terms of patterns and ghostface killah has a better catalog.

 

[DoomzdayzV]

threads like this make me wanna get on some Intellectual Recipricol shyt and put Amir Muhammad as my avi.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

The majority of his content consist of myopic self-driven records, he was completely incapable of rhyming outside of his own vintage point. I like Biggie's music, but the only message I get from him is pimping bytches, slanging dope, etc. Ghost's subject matter and lyrical content is on another level from Biggie. Listening to Ghost is like going to an art museum and seeing a wall full of collage paintings that make you stare and think. Each one unique, none like the last. Listening to Biggie is like going to a preschool art class and looking at crayon drawings of children pretending to have deeper than they actually are capable of. Hell, I don't know why I even bother with someone with Big in his avatar who keeps talking bout "reaching people". Well so did Nelly. Nelly gotta be on another tier by your logic.

Shameful paragraph. Just awful.

 

[Red]

I need to listen to iron man still. I've just finished ob4cl; loved it

:holywhat:

I don't understand how people can be on a hip-hop forum and say shyt like this... Motherfukker, don't you have any shame?

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Prolly has a lot to do w/ the fact that Ghost's voice is so annoyingly high pitched and quirky, while Big sounded like a Quiet Storm 104.1 Jazz DJ, with the smoothness and richness in his voice.

Big had a more commanding voice and could switch up his tone for party, gangsta. or a tune for the ladies...He might have been the best at that.

Ghost is severely underrated to me. His voice and the esoteric slang that he Rae spits makes him a tough listen sometimes but at the same time makes him extremely unique....

Ghost does tell a great story and has a lot of soul\pain his voice....

All that I got was one of the few Wu Joints outside of CREAM that was in heavy rotation in the south. Probably because it mirrored so many cats lives....

At the end of the day I gotta concur that when Big was at his peak, he personified hip hop perfection, and I don't think any other rapper had the exact same peak, not even HOV

 

[Spartacus89]

Dig this, just because a song has a slow and mellow beat with a woman or male group singing on the hook like Juicy or Miss U, doesn’t make it an introspective record. Introspective records require a COMBINaTION of a sad melancholy beat PLUS deep soul searching lyrics. Sorry, but that shyt just doesn’t exist with Biggie. He had the beats but not the lyrics required for deep songs, and a vast majority of Biggie songs that people claim are deep were manufactured records that Diddy made him do anyway. Diddy picked the bet, got somebody to sing the hooks, then Biggie comes on and offers his standard mob boss rhymes. That’s how those songs work out, the mere process of the way those songs were even created negates its introspective nature. There’s nothing genuine about some guy picking beats and forcing some other dude to rap on them I.E. Juicy.

90% of Biggie music catalogue consist of songs bragging about hustling, robbing people, killing people, being the boss don of his crew, fukking bytches, and having money. He was stuck in a mafioso mind frame. Compare that to Ghost and Raekwon who made Mafioso records like Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, BUT STILL had the range to escape that niche. Biggie was still rhyming as a mob boss even on songs like Miss U and Sky’s The Limit. Jay-Z is routinely criticized for the same weaknesses but there really is no difference between him and Biggie in this regard. Let's not even compare Biggie to Ghost's creativity, versatility, or subject matter. Nas is a better challenge in this regard to Ghost than Biggie.

 

[DaveyDave]

Just off the strength of the work he put in on 36 chambers the purple tape

plus he has more classics than biggie. Ironman & Supreme Clientele both undisputed classics and sold well. Even though Bulletproof wallets was a failure commercially most hip hop heads deem it classic


Ghostface a much more versatile artist, he could get on any beat and smash it. Big rarely changed his flow up


Ghostface Killah feat. Raekwon - The Hilton - YouTube

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

:holywhat:

I don't understand how people can be on a hip-hop forum and say shyt like this... Motherfukker, don't you have any shame?

No, because for 1 I grew up on the west coast, 2 I listen to all types of music besides hip hop, 3 I HATED on the Wu for the longest time because I was a Pete Rock fan, and more jazz influenced NY hip hop musicians. I loved Bullet Proof wallets though. But hop off my dikk, I listen to a lot of music.

 

[H.S.]

Ghost was better to me when BIG was still alive.

 

[Red]

I listen to a lot of music.

Obviously not enough.

 

[Demon]

Indisputable classics? Never heard anyone in real life play those shyts :heh2:

And he's been spitting the same verse for 20 yrs

BIG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

i guarantee you're like 20 years old. Either that, or you grew up in the slow fakkit south region.

Either way, shut the fukk up, fakkit

 

[Yoda]

i guarantee you're like 20 years old. Either that, or you grew up in the slow fakkit south region.

Either way, shut the fukk up, fakkit

you shut the fukk up fakkit
the south >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your dead mother,bytch

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

Obviously not enough.

Whatever, keep your bytch comments to yourself.