Ghostface >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biggie

[mobbinfms]

Nas, that's it. Ghost career...AND I"M TALKING STRICTLY ABOUT QUALITY LYRICS AND ALBUMS...surpasses every other MC...IN MY OPINION. Other MC's had a greater impact on the culture and sold more records but Ghost like that 5 tool outfielder that never had a 60 home run year, or batted .400 but consistently gives you 30 home runs and a .300 batting average. All-Star stats for 20 years!!!! Biggie was that unbelievable talent that had 3 mindboggling years where he hit like 55-60 homers and hit 350 but then retired due to injury.

That's a very diplomatic way of saying he was murdered!

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Easy killer! I didn't call you misinformed about hip-hop (I think you meant uninformed) - but to say that Rakim's career ain't seeing BIG at all - as if its not debatable - is crazy to me. G Rap and Rakim basically fathered what hip hop became in the 90s (on the rhyming front) - Kane too - but you didn't put him on your list.

Common's had a solid 20 year career with two classic LPs. He's the weakest of the three next to BIG though. Still debatable.

It's not seeing big's career at all though. He's a legend no doubt,but naw. He's had plenty of time to do more. He hasnt made anything worth discussing since the 18th letter to me. I also think biggie's flow/vocal performance and overall song making ability is better than rakim g rap and common and by a very large margin.

 

[Rapmastermind]

Nas, that's it. Ghost career...AND I"M TALKING STRICTLY ABOUT QUALITY LYRICS AND ALBUMS...surpasses every other MC...IN MY OPINION. Other MC's had a greater impact on the culture and sold more records but Ghost like that 5 tool outfielder that never had a 60 home run year, or batted .400 but consistently gives you 30 home runs and a .300 batting average. All-Star stats for 20 years!!!! Biggie was that unbelievable talent that had 3 mindboggling years where he hit like 55-60 homers and hit 350 but then retired due to injury.

Sport analogies and music don't work man. But if you tried. Biggie career was like winning rookie of the year, multiple championships and the MVP of the finals back to back. Ghost can't say the same.

 

[Rapmastermind]

biggies whole legacy comes from puffy and ny hip hop media campaigning on his behalf. "King Of NY" or "Best Rapper Alive" is just like any other political title like President or Governor. you need to campaign, you need to politic, you need to leverage media. the same sh!tsz camel and his media cronies do now, that same isht was going on with Big. The public didnt crown BIG. the industry did. just shows you the politics of the music business.

damn, if you read hip hop media outside of NY, Big wasnt even that respected. and he wasnt even that respected after he died. he was still gettiing sh!tted on. ny media plus revisionist hipsters, thats who crowned Big.

We already went over that, Canibus was the 1st person to call Biggie the Greatest on wax. Canibus is respected in the underground as one of the Best Lyricist. He had no reason at all to call Big the GOAT but he wanted LL to know who the streets crowd as the GOAT. That was a powerful line cause LL self anointed himself the GOAT while Canibus was letting him know "No Brother, Biggie got that crown". After "2nd Round K.O." it took off that Biggie was the GOAT and of course Puffy later jumped on the bandwagon but Canibus was the one who made it popular 1st.

Also Saying the "Industry" crowned Big is B.S. at the end of the day the people had to crown you. Biggie had the people on his side. Just cause some eastcoast rappers were mad at his success has nothing to do with how the public received Big. "Ready To Die" crowned Big. He shut New York Down and stop the west momentum. LOL @ Revisionist Hipsters as if the Streets wasn't bumping "Ready To Die". Biggie unlike his peers understood Balance that why he was able to connect to the same hood n!ggas while also being able to connect to other demographics. "Ready To Die" didn't just live in New York City. It branched out all over the country including the Westcoast. New Yorkers took notice and followed his blueprint ever since.

 

[hex]

But if an album is certified gold a year after its release - that is conclusive proof that it wasn't multi plat in that time frame.

Not necessarily. Again, on the RIAA site it says each cert is a separate fee.

500k, you need to pay for a gold cert. 1 mill, a plat cert, etc.

So a label could pay for 1 gold cert, and never care about any certs after that. "All Eyez On Me" even has a gold cert, despite the fact that it went 10x plat. Interscope/Death Row paid for every one of those certifications, separate from gold to diamond.

One last thing about RIAA, it's shipped, not records sold like Soundscan. So that's why you have "All Eyez On Me" receiving gold, plat and 5x plat certification the same day. It didn't actually sell 5 mill in 1 day, which is what it looks like if you didn't know any better.

Fred.

 

[Mike Otherz]

We already went over that, Canibus was the 1st person to call Biggie the Greatest on wax. Canibus is respected in the underground as one of the Best Lyricist. He had no reason at all to call Big the GOAT but he wanted LL to know who the streets crowd as the GOAT. That was a powerful line cause LL self anointed himself the GOAT while Canibus was letting him know "No Brother, Biggie got that crown". After "2nd Round K.O." it took off that Biggie was the GOAT and of course Puffy later jumped on the bandwagon but Canibus was the one who made it popular 1st.

Also Saying the "Industry" crowned Big is B.S. at the end of the day the people had to crown you. Biggie had the people on his side. Just cause some eastcoast rappers were mad at his success has nothing to do with how the public received Big. "Ready To Die" crowned Big. He shut New York Down and stop the west momentum. LOL @ Revisionist Hipsters as if the Streets wasn't bumping "Ready To Die". Biggie unlike his peers understood Balance that why he was able to connect to the same hood n!ggas while also being able to connect to other demographics. "Ready To Die" didn't just live in New York City. It branched out all over the country including the Westcoast. New Yorkers took notice and followed his blueprint ever since.

i love Biggie. not mad at his love, but the idea that hip hop critics outside of the NY power structure was on Big nuts like that is silly. The best rap magazine of all time, was always clowning Biggie, even after he died. Hip Hop Connection, the most bias free, no fux given about how much power you have or own, magazine. they never fuxed with Big. If everyone loved Big how did rawkus even exist. that label was for cats who didntr fux with either BIG or Pac. why was there an underground hip hop scene? all of this ws a reaction to the mainstream, celebrity infused , playa, gangsta movement. Jeru went at Big and Junior Mafia. of course Big sold more records, he had r n b hooks and ish. but the real die hard fans. they were more mixed on BIG. i saw an interview with Meth where he said he spoke to BIG before he passed, BIG was stressed and was not feeling loved. after he died all the love came and he deserved it. but it is hindsight.

 

[mobbinfms]

Not necessarily. Again, on the RIAA site it says each cert is a separate fee.

500k, you need to pay for a gold cert. 1 mill, a plat cert, etc.

So a label could pay for 1 gold cert, and never care about any certs after that. "All Eyez On Me" even has a gold cert, despite the fact that it went 10x plat. Interscope/Death Row paid for every one of those certifications, separate from gold to diamond.

One last thing about RIAA, it's shipped, not records sold like Soundscan. So that's why you have "All Eyez On Me" receiving gold, plat and 5x plat certification the same day. It didn't actually sell 5 mill in 1 day, which is what it looks like if you didn't know any better.

Fred.

I think you're wrong. According to their website, the label would first pay for an audit - Members of the RIAA would then pay $350 for all certifications, non-members pay $450 per certification. So the audit would reveal what the title sold up to the time of the audit.

I guess it is possible that the audit would reveal 2 million records sold and a non-member label would only want to pay $450 to have the title certified gold - as opposed to $1,350 for multi plat - but that seems highly unlikely.

RIAA - Recording Industry Association of America - April 05, 2013

 

[hex]

I think you're wrong. According to their website, the label would first pay for an audit - Members of the RIAA would then pay $350 for all certifications, non-members pay $450 per certification. So the audit would reveal what the title sold up to the time of the audit.

I guess it is possible that the audit would reveal 2 million records sold and a non-member label would only want to pay $450 to have the title certified gold - as opposed to $1,350 for multi plat - but that seems highly unlikely.

RIAA - Recording Industry Association of America - April 05, 2013

That's exactly what I was quoting.

Let's put it like this, if Interscope didn't pay for that 5x plat cert the same day as the gold one, it would still say it's gold. Right now, to this day, despite the fact that it shipped 10 mill. Shipped 10 mill, they paid for 1 gold cert, RIAA would say it went gold.

Long story short, using RIAA as any kind of accurate gauge for how much a record sold is a bad move. Especially in a specific time frame.

Lastly, you're talking about the recording industry. They pay artists pennies on the dollar. Literally pennies. So yeah, thousands of dollars just to say an album that came out years ago is multi-plat isn't always a good investment.

Fred.

 

[kingofnyc]

biggies whole legacy comes from puffy and ny hip hop media campaigning on his behalf. "King Of NY" or "Best Rapper Alive" is just like any other political title like President or Governor. you need to campaign, you need to politic, you need to leverage media. the same sh!tsz camel and his media cronies do now, that same isht was going on with Big. The public didnt crown BIG. the industry did. just shows you the politics of the music business.

damn, if you read hip hop media outside of NY, Big wasnt even that respected. and he wasnt even that respected after he died. he was still gettiing sh!tted on. ny media plus revisionist hipsters, thats who crowned Big.

age/location?

 

[N*IT*2*WIN*IT]

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[mobbinfms]

That's exactly what I was quoting.

Let's put it like this, if Interscope didn't pay for that 5x plat cert the same day as the gold one, it would still say it's gold. Right now, to this day, despite the fact that it shipped 10 mill. Shipped 10 mill, they paid for 1 gold cert, RIAA would say it went gold.

Long story short, using RIAA as any kind of accurate gauge for how much a record sold is a bad move. Especially in a specific time frame.

Lastly, you're talking about the recording industry. They pay artists pennies on the dollar. Literally pennies. So yeah, thousands of dollars just to say an album that came out years ago is multi-plat isn't always a good investment.

Fred.

Interscope is a bad example. I'm assuming (I could be wrong about this) that all major labels are RIAA members. So then the initial certifications run them $350. So if an album is certified gold, plat and 2x plat - that only cost the major label RIAA member $350.

I think RIAA can be a good gauge for what an artist sold (on a major label) at the time of the first certification.

I agree that it wouldn't always be a good investment to pay the $350 now to have All Eyes on Me certified diamond. But some record execs are egotistical a$$holes concerned about their legacy and they feel it may pad their stats. That last part is an opinion. I'm sure there is a benefit to having the records certified - increased sales for example - or nobody would do it.

 

[hex]

I think RIAA can be a good gauge for what an artist sold (on a major label) at the time of the first certification.

I don't see how considering it's units shipped, not sold, and it's only certified when the label pays for it. If they pay for it. I just don't see the logic behind quoting specific dates on RIAA.

Fred.

 

[Billy Ocean]

50 seconds in,this shyt is wack as fukk,only good thing is the sample. Flow is atrocious. Sound like a nikka is rapping for the first time in his life. THAT'S WHY HE AINT POPPIN CAUSE HE AINT shyt.

I posted that track to bait ya clown ass. You claim you know Ghosts' material, yet that's the first time you heard a track from one of his most acclaimed albums. Dumb fakkit.

 

[Billy Ocean]

Sport analogies and music don't work man. But if you tried. Biggie career was like winning rookie of the year, multiple championships and the MVP of the finals back to back. Ghost can't say the same.

Nah, Ghost can't say the same. All Ghost can claim is 20 years making the All First Team, Top 5 in every vital statistic for 20 years, an MVP (for "bringing the Wu back in 2000 with Supreme Clientele) and multiple championships on a dynasty team (Wu-Tang). 20 years! Big put up gaudy numbers for only 3. And 20 years into the game he potentially about to get another MVP this year if he drops 12 Reasons to Die, Supreme Clientele 2 and DoomStarks. And his team about to make dudes remember why they're a dynasty by dropping their 20th anniversary album. Ghost....cot damn that nikka is a fukking rap messiah...

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

I posted that track to bait ya clown ass. You claim you know Ghosts' material, yet that's the first time you heard a track from one of his most acclaimed albums. Dumb fakkit.

Link?