Ghostwriting in Hip Hop|DEHH

[spliz]

I like what dude, in the middle, was sayin'; is the music still good? Yes, there is a difference between the culture of Hip-Hop (ghostwriting is wack) and the business of Rap music ($$$).

We empower the Rap music industry by buying records that are generated by the music industry.

So, a lot of the cultural norms get violated all the time (ie bitin', ghostwriting/producting, doin' it for money, not love, etc.)

If Nas had ghostwriters on the untitled album, it was still a great record. But, it comes at the expense of his standing in the culture.

What's funny about this (and shows like it), you get to put faces to some of these stans. Talmbout; I'd be hurt. It's not that serious, B. It's the music industry and it be like that sometimes.

IMO, I don't think it's totally farfetched to believe Nas was able to replicate the flows of the producer/rapper he was working with. Jay Electronica raps a certain way and makes beats to his way of rappin'. It's not crazy to think Nas felt the Jay El' flow was the best to go over Queens Get Money.

And I still don't understand this idea that the untitled album was so far left for Nas. As if he's never tackled the same, exact subjects on his previous works. It's not like Lil Wayne released that album.

He's verse on Hollywood Divorce sounds so far from what I'm used to hearing him rap about--same corny lines--it's different and doesn't mean it was ghostwritten.

Nas has literally dropped jewels like he's done on Untitled since fukkin IWW era...and still continued with that feel after Untitled on the Distant Relatives album...that's what I'm sayin..these nikkas need to get the fukk up outta this shyt..have no fukkin idea what they talkin bout and don't give a fukk about rap...

 

[spliz]

What's funny is how the gay dude with the dreads went on about how talented Nas is to ghostwrite and change his style for artists like Will Smith but then later on insinuates that Nas had a whole album ghostwritten because it strayed from his usual style...
Would of been a better roundtable with dudes that used logic

And the funny thing is...Untitled aint even a stray from his usual style...nikka is just fukkin stupid...

 

[Billy Ocean]

And the funny thing is...Untitled aint even a stray from his usual style...nikka is just fukkin stupid...

lol...absolutely. This nikka Nas is always on that "Back to Africa" (lol), black consciousness shyt. shyt...shortly after Untitled he made Distant Relatives. Dudes gonna say Damien Marley wrote his verses for him on that album?

Let homosexuals with no logic tell you great rappers have ghostwriters breh

 

[LeflaurLeflahEshkoshka]

Just finished listening to this clip. Why are the couple homosexuals at the table strongly suggesting that Nas has been ghostwritten? Funny shyt. Still an interesting conversation, but I don't care to view these homos having a debate anymore

true

 

[SunZoo]

These nikkas make me wish I was on the panel

They going on about cube when del supposedly wrong some of his earlier shyt. Does that mean he's not Ice Cube anymore? Nah...when he's contributed to so many other projects you gotta give him a pass on that one. It's one thing to have a nikka toss you lines, or even a song that he doesn't want or may not be right for, but then again if thats your normal routine you can't come out and pretend like you have a claim to rap supremacy, which is really a cornerstone of what it is to be an MC, the competitive edge that you have as a wordsmith disappears when nikkas find out that you're somebodies puppet.

Another annoying thing I got from early in this interview is the puffy dikk riding, with artists like him an dre it's a given that somebody is going to be writing for them but neither of them are laying claim to any kind of supremacy. These nikkas were talking about puff like it was cool when he's really the one who opened the flood gates for nikkas to actually come into the game on some dubious shyt and be seen as legit just on the basis of "i'm gettin money". I don't ever remember feeling like Dre was trying to get over on me as an artist, puffy was rubbing that I don't really care about rap like that attitude in your face.

Kanye is one of those artists who people try to throw into top 5 debates when he seems to clearly be getting assistance on the regular, that's that weak shyt...that shyt to me, moves him out of THAT particular conversation, you can like his catalog and blah blah blah, him being easy listening has no bearing on his rank as an actual MC, to me at least.

If you like Will Smith so be it...but if he doesn't have "time" to write then I don't have time to take him serious in that context.

 

[spliz]

These nikkas make me wish I was on the panel

They going on about cube when del supposedly wrong some of his earlier shyt. Does that mean he's not Ice Cube anymore? Nah...when he's contributed to so many other projects you gotta give him a pass on that one. It's one thing to have a nikka toss you lines, or even a song that he doesn't want or may not be right for, but then again if thats your normal routine you can't come out and pretend like you have a claim to rap supremacy, which is really a cornerstone of what it is to be an MC, the competitive edge that you have as a wordsmith disappears when nikkas find out that you're somebodies puppet.

Another annoying thing I got from early in this interview is the puffy dikk riding, with artists like him an dre it's a given that somebody is going to be writing for them but neither of them are laying claim to any kind of supremacy. These nikkas were talking about puff like it was cool when he's really the one who opened the flood gates for nikkas to actually come into the game on some dubious shyt and be seen as legit just on the basis of "i'm gettin money". I don't ever remember feeling like Dre was trying to get over on me as an artist, puffy was rubbing that I don't really care about rap like that attitude in your face.

Kanye is one of those artists who people try to throw into top 5 debates when he seems to clearly be getting assistance on the regular, that's that weak shyt...that shyt to me, moves him out of THAT particular conversation, you can like his catalog and blah blah blah, him being easy listening has no bearing on his rank as an actual MC, to me at least.

If you like Will Smith so be it...but if he doesn't have "time" to write then I don't have time to take him serious in that context.

Basically...

 

[Poitier]

Yall are like little kids. People helping you mold your piece of art is nothing knew. Shakespeare ain't write all of that solely from his mind. What makes you think rappers or whatever other kind of artist ain't doing the same? If you don't write any of your rhymes or didn't get on with your own original content thats different but having your muses and shyt to draw on is a standard practice in any profession.

 

[SunZoo]

Basically...

I've had auditions and group sessions where nikkas liked my lyrics but more so liked my voice/delivery better...then you'd have one cat over here who could write good, and write fast but sounded like shyt. Now I see the logic in you taking one guys strenghts and matching them with someone else's but I personally had to decline spitting his shyt for him. I wouldn't be mad at the next man for going ahead with that but that just wasn't my steez.

And yes, other artforms of music have writers and that's no problem but THAT is not hip hop....hip hop has it's own rules, and nuances and standards, it's much more wordy and expressive than most other types of songs/lyrics. Listen to how many words per bar you have in your standard rap song as opposed to singers who can drag out the notes on one or two sentences and have a whole song out of it. And while SPITTING a verse isn't something that takes NO talent...it takes a hell of a lot less talent to mime and repeat a verse than it does be a great singer regardless of who wrote the words...this is a different type of artform and there is nothing wrong with that, it's what makes rap music special IMO.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Who cares as long as the music is good.

I can't comprehend how a persons changes how they feel about the music because they find out it was written by someone else.

@Danie84

How does what you said make any sense

@Ziggiy smh

 

[spliz]

I've had auditions and group sessions where nikkas liked my lyrics but more so liked my voice/delivery better...then you'd have one cat over here who could write good, and write fast but sounded like shyt. Now I see the logic in you taking one guys strenghts and matching them with someone else's but I personally had to decline spitting his shyt for him. I wouldn't be mad at the next man for going ahead with that but that just wasn't my steez.

And yes, other artforms of music have writers and that's no problem but THAT is not hip hop....hip hop has it's own rules, and nuances and standards, it's much more wordy and expressive than most other types of songs/lyrics. Listen to how many words per bar you have in your standard rap song as opposed to singers who can drag out the notes on one or two sentences and have a whole song out of it. And while SPITTING a verse isn't something that takes NO talent...it takes a hell of a lot less talent to mime and repeat a verse than it does be a great singer regardless of who wrote the words...this is a different type of artform and there is nothing wrong with that, it's what makes rap music special IMO.

EXACTLY fam...do u umderstand how many times I've had to break this shyt down for people?..lol

 

[spliz]

Who cares as long as the music is good.

I can't comprehend how a persons changes how they feel about the music because they find out it was written by someone else.

@Danie84

How does what you said make any sense

@Ziggiy smh

It's not about the MUSIC..it's the RAPPER...being a GREAT rapper is about having the right lyrics..flow..delivery..all that in one package...rhyming is what more focused on in this genre than any other genre of music...when u runnin around sayin u this great artist and rapper and u don't even write ur shyt..it's like a spit in the face...period..don't put urself in them conversations and u ain't really talented at ur art like that...these is HIP HOP rules..each genre has its own rules...I'm tired of nikkas tryna taint the shyt..we ain't gonna have any resemblance of what made the genre great soon..cause of this fukkin passive attitude about everything...I can like a nikkas music all day..but if he don't write his shyt u think I should respect him as a rapper or emcee?..hell no...his music is good..that's where it stops..and that's where it should stop...

 

[CrimsonTider]

It's not about the MUSIC..it's the RAPPER...being a GREAT rapper is about having the right lyrics..flow..delivery..all that in one package...rhyming is what more focused on in this genre than any other genre of music...when u runnin around sayin u this great artist and rapper and u don't even write ur shyt..it's like a spit in the face...period..don't put urself in them conversations and u ain't really talented at ur art like that...these is HIP HOP rules..each genre has its own rules...I'm tired of nikkas tryna taint the shyt..we ain't gonna have any resemblance of what made the genre great soon..cause of this fukkin passive attitude about everything...I can like a nikkas music all day..but if he don't write his shyt u think I should respect him as a rapper or emcee?..hell no...his music is good..that's where it stops..and that's where it should stop...

It's about providing entertaining content to the consumer

Who cares how that gets accomplish

Who cares if they don't fit in some made up label you nerds give to them

 

[spliz]

Yall are like little kids. People helping you mold your piece of art is nothing knew. Shakespeare ain't write all of that solely from his mind. What makes you think rappers or whatever other kind of artist ain't doing the same? If you don't write any of your rhymes or didn't get on with your own original content thats different but having your muses and shyt to draw on is a standard practice in any profession.

There's a difference between help and fukkin havin ur shyt done for u...period...son my moms is a published author..not sayin she's some all time great or anything but she writes mad books and she had BRAIN surgery my nikka...she don't use a ghostwriter...never ever..she does her research...and writes what comes to her...sure she has editors to make sure shyt is on point..but it's her talent..end of story...when I see her do shyt like that especially wit the shyt she been thru..I can't give nikkas no excuses...

 

[SunZoo]

Who cares as long as the music is good.

I can't comprehend how a persons changes how they feel about the music because they find out it was written by someone else.

@Danie84

How does what you said make any sense

@Ziggiy smh

Thing is i'm not a casual fan...not saying nikkas acting like it's the end of the world aren't overreacting but at the same time if you're really involved and invested into the culture like that, it's reasonable to feel a certain way about somebody not really being behind the bulk of their important records or just being a complete puppet.

I don't look at the shyt from the standpoint of a consumer, and I don't respect rappers just based on how well they package, or get packaged as product.

 

[spliz]

It's about providing entertaining content to the consumer

Who cares how that gets accomplish

Who cares if they don't fit in some made up label you nerds give to them

nikka..YOU don't care..I do..i grew up wit this hip hop shyt..fukk u nikkas come from man?..ain't no standards in this shyt no more...how u gonna call a nikka a great RAPPER when he aint even writing his shyt?..that shyt don't even make no sense on a logical level...if u like the nikkas music that's one thing..calling him a great rapper is another...