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GIL SCOTT-CRACK: “I’M NOT SURE HOW MJ WOULD HAVE MORE OFFENSIVE IMPACT IN THIS ERA THAN STEPH.”
- Thread starter Sccit
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12 years kobe had without shaq to get more than 2 scoring titles.
First 2 years he was riding the bench. Not a good look for someone who is supposed to be a better scorer than Jordan.
His 3rd season he started, and still averaged below 20. Better scorer?
The other 2 times, you're making up excuses for him
5 seasons averaging below 20 ppg.
Pathetic.
You're on some try hard shyt. There was better scorers and better defenses in Kobe's era than MJ's. And Kobe generally sacrificed scoring as many points as possible to win games, he held back when he had Shaq and Pau.
Kobe's 3rd season he was 20 yrs old and put up 19ppg. MJ was a junior in college at that time, FOH>.
And nobody is making excuses they are logical points. Why would Kobe score 20+ppg as a first/second year player when his coach won't start him cuz they're a playoff team? And even them, Kobe dropped 30+ off the bench his second season.
And to count the post-achilles seasons is what truly is pathetic.
YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy
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Jesus christ. I hate breaking down shyt when the posts are right in this fukking thread.
- Your buddy said Jordan's untouchable legacy was due to marketing from stern, making Jordan out to be a god amongst men.
- I said bird literally called him god in his second season. That ain't got shyt to do with marketing or stern.
- Your buddy then said well, shaq called kobe the greatest ever
The fukk does that have to do with stern and marketing Jordan? Neither cases have shyt to do with marketing.
Sit this one out, buddy. Or pay attention so I don't have to break simple shyt down for you.
Giving an objective analysis is having a mental illness now?
Actually, this makes a lot of sense considering the majority of the posters on this board constantly lie, manipulate, and revise, to protect their heroes (Kobe, MJ, and Bron), every single day, which is the real mental insanity, which you have come to know as the norm, but when someone tries to have an actual genuine discussion you think they're the ones with the problem.
YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy
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Excuses. When you're a GOAT, all you need are your stats and accomplishments to speak for themselves and hold up against anyone else's.
When you're not a GOAT, well....we see posts like yours, littered with excuses, ifs, buts, and what had happened was
There's nothing objective about curry being an bigger offensive threat on the court than Jordan, if anything it's half ass subjective and lazy.Giving an objective analysis is having a mental illness now?
Actually, this makes a lot of sense considering the majority of the posters on this board constantly lie, manipulate, and revise, to protect their heroes (Kobe, MJ, and Bron), every single day, which is the real mental insanity, which you have come to know as the norm, but when someone tries to have an actual genuine discussion you think they're the ones with the problem.
Excuses. When you're a GOAT, all you need are your stats and accomplishments to speak for themselves and hold up against anyone else's.
When you're not a GOAT, well....we see posts like yours, littered with excuses, ifs, buts, and what had happened was
Man get the fukk out of here. Phil Jackson literally said he told Kobe to stop scoring so much in 2001 which cost him the scoring title. You wanna leave out all context to make your dumbass argument. Another nikka sitting on the net yapping about shyt ACTUAL COACHES AND PLAYERS settled a long time ago.
Jesus christ. I hate breaking down shyt when the posts are right in this fukking thread.
- Your buddy said Jordan's untouchable legacy was due to marketing from stern, making Jordan out to be a god amongst men.
- I said bird literally called him god in his second season. That ain't got shyt to do with marketing or stern.
- Your buddy then said well, shaq called kobe the greatest ever
The fukk does that have to do with stern and marketing Jordan? Neither cases have shyt to do with marketing.
Sit this one out, buddy. Or pay attention so I don't have to break simple shyt down for you.
The general public doesn't think MJ is the goat because of a fukking Bird quote from the mid-80s. The narrative and mythology of MJ does have a lot to do with Stern and marketing so your entire argument is shyt anyway
Excuses. When you're a GOAT, all you need are your stats and accomplishments to speak for themselves and hold up against anyone else's.
When you're not a GOAT, well....we see posts like yours, littered with excuses, ifs, buts, and what had happened was
Well if thats the case than Kareem, Karl, Kobe and Bron are all better scorers than MJ. They scored more points, period. Nevermind the fact MJ played less years, nah, we'll leave out that excuse and context. Basketball is about scoring points and those 4 men scored more than MJ. Mike's the 5th best scorer ever and the 5th best at something can't be the greatest. /thread.
YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy
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Who said they do?
Are you slow? The point is one of the goats calling Jordan god and best ever didn't have shyt to do with stern or marketing. You don't know what mythology means. Like bird, marketing didn't have shyt to do with jordan's place as goat amongst the general public.
You know that though, because he's the goat to you too
. How did you say it, the "ultimate #1 GOAT"
. You are proof of my argument, so if you say it's shyt then what are you?
YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy
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30.1 ppg, Highest regular season scoring average in nba history
33 ppg, Highest playoff scoring average in nba history
41 ppg, highest finals scoring average in nba history
10 scoring titles, most in nba history
63 points, most points in a playoff game
3041 points in a season, most in a season since wilt
Kareem and malone were marathon athletes. They don't compare. Bron is going to pass kobe in scoring. Is he a better scorer?
Did MJ stretch defenses all over the halfcourt like Steph, with and without the ball? Did MJ manipulate entire defensive schemes like Steph? Did defenses force the ball out of MJ's hands because they were scared of his 3-pt shooting and the value of it, and force his teammates to beat them? Yes or no?
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Yes teams did cater half court defenses to jordan, ask the pistons they had an entire concept for jordan, 3pt shoot wasn't even utilized majority of Jordan's life lazy ass analysis
So you admit that 3-pt shooting wasn't utilized back then, like it is today, so you're aware that defenses weren't stretched beyond the arc, like they are today, and yet you still can't identify that because Steph stretches the defense more that he has more impact on that end? And this isn't just with the ball in hand, this is when he doesn't even have the ball too; Steph's off-ball movements can create wide-open shots and he doesn't even need to touch the ball on the possession.
Never mind the fact that during the majority of MJ's time in the league it was illegal to shadow him with multiple defenders, like teams do with Steph today. You either had to guard him 1v1 or send a hard double. Which meant, while MJ would get his, his impact didn't translate into giving his teammates easy scoring opportunities because it was in conflict with nature of the rules.
Can you not see how Steph opens up the floor more which gives his teammates easier opportunities to score - can you not see that type of impact on the offense as a whole?
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Curry also known as the guy responsible for THE BIGGEST CHOKEJOB IN NBA FINALS HISTORY.
if you ignore all the context and think basketball is a game of 1on1, then sure.