Glasses Malone & Charlamagne Debate - Who was the bigger star, while alive. 2pac or Snoop?

[Knicksman20]

He didn't just mention Pac breh 50 clearly crowned Pac as his GOAT. And btw you the one that posted 50 cents lyrics to prove a point lol
I never cared about that guy's opinion anyway so it is what it is

l left out "aint no best" cause i felt it didn't really matter cause Nas's love for Tupac is already well documented it doesn't matter what spot he takes on that list

A God >>> top 5 rappers

And here he's calling Big

lol

 

[FeloniousMonk]

end of what discussion ?

Dear Mama ONLY makes the list outta pure sympathy to his situation at the time

End of You saying Pac didnt have a top 100 song of all time.

Regardless of whatever extra you wanna add after the fact..

Look up the word redundent, then get back to me.

 

[Wacky D]

Dear Mama and Keep your head up were both #1 singles. I get around always was a smash hit.

those '93 hits weren't as big as snoop's hits during that time.

and I doubt that "dear mama" would've even been as big as "keep ya head up" if it wasn't for the circumstances at the time.

I’m really trying to understand what that Glasses Malone dude is trying to say. Are we really going to act like Me Against The World wasn’t a big deal? Like Dear Mama wasn’t a thing?

Once Me against the World came out, Pac was the biggest rapper in the planet and this was before death row...

MATW put pac in contention.

but it wasn't enough to put him at the top over people like snoop and others.

92- 94 nope but Snoop wasn't popping in 95

Go back and look at Death Row's 1995 output. The only album they dropped was Dogg Food on Halloween.

"murder was the case" soundtrack & singles ran thru most of '95.

and dr dre had "keep ya heads ringin".

then there was the source awards and "the show" to cap off the summer, leading into the dogg pound album.

.........….and it helped that a lot of people thought warren g was on death row.​

 

[Kliq_Souf]

nikkas say Snoop was the bigger star but he made a movie at the height of his career and half of y'all never seen it. At the same time everybody seen Poetic Justice and Above The Rim.

Poetic Justice and Above Rim both grossed around 20mill they not smashes like that. Hood classics of course.
But everybody seen them because they’ve been on cable TV for the last 25 years.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

Poetic Justice and Above Rim both grossed around 20mill they not smashes like that. Hood classics of course.
But everybody seen them because they’ve been on cable TV for the last 25 years.

Everybody seen them when they came out...well at least everybody in the hood did.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

I always agreed with Kevin Powell's take on Snoop & Pac.

He said Snoop was a big star, but he didn't have the iconic/"James Dean"(His words) presence Pac had.

Lord Jamar said Pac was a star to the stars.



When Pac hit DR he out shined every artist on the label.That was his gravity

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

I wouldn't give Glasses any thought.It's already established that GLOBALLY, Pac is maybe the biggest icon in hip hop history.

What's Glasses objective for going back 25 yrs in the past & trying to point out years Pac wasn't "big"? It's much ado about nothing!

You can't change the fact that Pac is what he is right now.It can only be an attempt to sabotage, diminish, and hate on the biggest/

most universal artist in the history of your genre.A man whose SONG WRITING skill in the genre helped to legitimize the art form

& touch people all around the world.Say what you want about Pac, but no other rapper could be as vulnerable/put their heart in the

music like he could.People connected with that.Honestly, I think Pac(classic song writer) was a big fish in a small pond(hip hop)

and some people hate him for it.Hip hop is petty as fukk.Only genre that will go out of it's way to shyt on their own legends

 

[Wacky D]

I Get Around is one of the biggest party slappers breh

there were plenty of bigger and/or better hits in 1993.

only reason its held in so high of a regard now is because its 2pac and he has become a diety in death.

I get around and Dear Mama were definitely Monster hits. Keep ya head up and So Many Tears were also big.

"I get around" was big but it wasn't a monster.

"shed so many tears" wasn't big. it just did aiird.

2pac has Dear Mama, Brenda’s Got a Baby, Keep ya Head Up...etc. He was a movie star & he was at odds with politicians. He had the controversial shooting, trial, and was the first major rapper to be incarcerated in their prime.

ehh

what about slick rick?

besides, I would say pac hit his prime after he got locked up.

Who the fukk would argue the fact that Snoop was bigger than Pac at one point. But the same amount of time Snoop was bigger than Pac while he was alive. Pac was bigger than Snoop. Snoop had 93 and 94 on lock. Pac had 95 and ESPECIALLY 96. By the time Pac died. He was the biggest rapper in the country. Not AFTER. BY THE TIME.

pac was bigger than snoop for about 6 months before he died.

he wasn't bigger than snoop in '95. no way no how.

Word. I jus think she was trying to attach herself to rappers specifically, at the time. Esepcially since it
was a growing trend in the mainstream. I think she tried to be around Snoop at the time too. Not as love interest but
just around..

yea

she was attached to kane YEARS before pac.

I don't know why people are in here acting like she was some type of prize anyway. I guess because shes white.​

Lastly, and this is for the entire thread....if Snoop was so important and the biggest rapper in the 90's and so instrumental to the success and future of Death Row....why did Suge make everyone, including Snoop, give all their album material to Pac for "AEOM"?

Suge knew who the most important artist on the label was....and it wasn't Snoop. Meaning, Snoop and Pac on equal footing....Snoop is second fiddle. The only way this "Snoop was bigger!" argument even has any footing, is if you give Snoop the combined power of Dre+Death Row while Pac has none of that.

Fred.

if thats the case then why did snoop end up being more popular than dr dre?

yall act like there was a ton of anticipation for death row, when really people weren't expecting much from a dr dre solo album.

the chronic & doggystyle were total team efforts, with the majority of the team being the LBC-side.

and lets not act like pac didn't have help, and didn't have an acting career that boosted him.

this comparison isn't even close enough to bring in the "help" argument. pac was a gold-selling artist thru the vast majority of this time period. its not like we're talking about say ice cube or somebody.

Lastly, and this is for the entire thread....if Snoop was so important and the biggest rapper in the 90's and so instrumental to the success and future of Death Row....why did Suge make everyone, including Snoop, give all their album material to Pac for "AEOM"?

Suge knew who the most important artist on the label was....and it wasn't Snoop. Meaning, Snoop and Pac on equal footing....Snoop is second fiddle. The only way this "Snoop was bigger!" argument even has any footing, is if you give Snoop the combined power of Dre+Death Row while Pac has none of that.

Fred.

I always say, I think suge knew snoop lost his fire.

and D.O.C. was already gone by this point as well. he was just as vital to snoop's development as dr dre was.

 

[spliz]

there were plenty of bigger and/or better hits in 1993.

only reason its held in so high of a regard now is because its 2pac and he has become a diety in death.





"I get around" was big but it wasn't a monster.

"shed so many tears" wasn't big. it just did aiird.





ehh

what about slick rick?

besides, I would say pac hit his prime after he got locked up.





pac was bigger than snoop for about 6 months before he died.

he wasn't bigger than snoop in '95. no way no how.





yea

she was attached to kane YEARS before pac.

I don't know why people are in here acting like she was some type of prize anyway. I guess because shes white.​

if thats the case then why did snoop end up being more popular than dr dre?

yall act like there was a ton of anticipation for death row, when really people weren't expecting much from a dr dre solo album.

the chronic & doggystyle were total team efforts, with the majority of the team being the LBC-side.

and lets not act like pac didn't have help, and didn't have an acting career that boosted him.

this comparison isn't even close enough to bring in the "help" argument. pac was a gold-selling artist thru the vast majority of this time period. its not like we're talking about say ice cube or somebody.





I always say, I think suge knew snoop lost his fire.

and D.O.C. was already gone by this point as well. he was just as vital to snoop's development as dr dre was.

There was a REASON Pac going to Death Row was such a big deal. That’s all imma say. I know what me and the people around me were doing at the time and at this point I dont really give a fukk what nikkas on a messageboard is saying. Bottom line Pac was an established rapped and actor with a multiplatinum album and a lot of hits by the time he stepped foot in Death Row. Death Row didnt MAKE Pac. That a lie. Far as Pac vs Snoop? All I know is nikkas was fukkin wit Pac heavy before Death Row regardless of why u feel they were. All that semantics and what if’s shyt is for the birds. Real talk. Cause it doesnt really mean shyt at the end of the day. History happened. Period. If my parents never got together I wouldnt be born. Who gives a fukk? There’s no real way to gauge certain shyt beyond hyperbole. Bottom Line. Death Row didnt make Pac.

 

[Wacky D]

There was a REASON Pac going to Death Row was such a big deal. That’s all imma say. I know what me and the people around me were doing at the time and at this point I dont really give a fukk what nikkas on a messageboard is saying. Bottom line Pac was an established rapped and actor with a multiplatinum album and a lot of hits by the time he stepped foot in Death Row. Death Row didnt MAKE Pac. That a lie. Far as Pac vs Snoop? All I know is nikkas was fukkin wit Pac heavy before Death Row regardless of why u feel they were. All that semantics and what if’s shyt is for the birds. Real talk. Cause it doesnt really mean shyt at the end of the day. History happened. Period. If my parents never got together I wouldnt be born. Who gives a fukk? There’s no real way to gauge certain shyt beyond hyperbole. Bottom Line. Death Row didnt make Pac.

I didn't even say most of this stuff. youre confusing me with someone else. I never said death row made pac or anything like that.

all I said is, he wasn't as big as snoop until '96.

Alot of that has to do with Dre and the production.

ehh

how much production on doggystyle did dre actually do tho?​

 

[spliz]

I didn't even say most of this stuff. youre confusing me with someone else. I never said death row made pac or anything like that. all I said is, he wasn't as big as snoop until '96.

Im speaking to the whole thread honestly. Not just about u. But I do feel he was def arguably bigger than Snoop in 95. There was way too much controversy and hype around him.

 

[Wacky D]

Im speaking to the whole thread honestly. Not just about u. But I do feel he was def arguably bigger than Snoop in 95. There was way too much controversy and hype around him.

pac always had controversy and hype around him. it was like that for years before he even touched platinum.

i'll say that he started circling the wagon in '95, but snoop was still the man, and there were a few other names still ahead of pac in '95.

AEOM was when pac hit that level. and if i had to pin-point a moment when pac passed him up, it would prolly be when they did that "Americas most wanted" video. cuz like somebody said earlier, pac carried snoop on that song. and there was other stuff leading up to that, where snoop sounded like he lost it.

 

[JYoung24]

That Dre/Snoop 92-93 run changed pop music breh.
After that shyt, there was a million lil Snoop clones, and everybody wanted that G-Funk sound
They were getting rotation on MTV/ the Box, and not just on Yo!

Pac was in movies, no doubt, but lets not act like Poetic Justice and Juice were blockbuster smashes like The Bodyguard and shyt... they were big for "us".
Pac first two albums took yearsssss just to go Gold.
Me Against the World came out after his incarceration, and he was getting a lot of media coverage, which helped his sales.

Skill wise, songwriting, overall impact, thats a whole nother story. But there was no doubt Snoop was bigger in those years, which G Malone described. And it helped that Snoop had the best hip hop producer in the world by his side in those years.

2 pacs first couple of albums fid not take years to go gold

 

[JYoung24]

Ur stupid. bytch ass nikka. I dont give a fukk what Snoop sold in 1993 when we talking about 1995 and 1996. And Makaveli went double plat FIRST before Doggfather and was triple plat by April of 97. If we talking this double album counts as 2 shyt then Snoop sold 1 million double albums(which count as 2) and stalled out. He was stuck at what he sold initially. Pac went on to sell 4x plat afterwards. Snoop had a 75% drop off from his last album. Pac dropped 2 multiplat albums within the same year with AEOM and 7 Day Theory. And he was over 2x Plat with MATW by the time he even stepped foot in Death Row. U really need to fukk outta here honestly. Lol

The Dogg father was a double disk album ? i was 6 or 7 when the album came out so idk

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

The Dogg father was a double disk album ? i was 6 or 7 when the album came out so idk

Nope.