Goodbye, $165,000 Tech Jobs. Student Coders Seek Work at Chipotle.

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It's like gaming now companies don't care and will release a glitchy half finished copy knowing they can just send updates or dlc later
It is worse than just glitchy when it comes to A.I. though. It is right now in the area of outright not working. They may use the A.I. to put the scaffolding of the code up, but really they need programmers to go through the code fix it, so that it even works. I've seen it fail on simple scripts too many times to believe it will work any differently when it comes to far more advance complex code.

Now, if it could actually learn from its mistakes, then that is when I will agree to the idea that programming is no longer needed. Once that happens though, it opens up another can of worms of A.I. trying to be so efficient in what it was programmed to do, that it starts building words of "paperclips". So even then, some oversight will need to be maintained.
 

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is accounting next? ai seems like the logical answer
But accountingn software has existed for decades and cpa(s) are still being minted and are in high demand.

I think their advantage is that they have a licensed profession that is protected by law. It's the same reason an AI lawyer or AI doctor or AI civil engineer or AI actuary will never be a thing despite most these professions being knowledge based and easily automated (with the exception surgery+gynecology in medicine which is manual labor) . The value of these knowledge positions is in the licensure, and they have a lot of lobbying groups advocating for their interests as a licensed group.

Where computer science failed,(and I've talked about this with @IIVI before), we never created a formal domestic licensure system that put up a moat to both outsourcing and automated solutions. Instead, we made it easier and easier for both computer scientists and computer engineers to be replaced because we allowed ABET , our accreditation body to start certifying people in different countries which effectively encouraged outsourcing. These generic office jobs and middle management roles are in the same boat too.


For example , there is no such thing a certified public computer scientist. We don't have a governing board with regular exams like accounting, law, medicine, nursing, actuarial sciences ,etc have. Ironically, we are one of those industries that really need it when you consider that everything from the airplanes in the sky, to medical devices like pacemakers, to cars on the road is dependent on us not making mistakes.
 
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the notion that a degree itsel would get you a job is stupidity.
You need to know how to code, you add the degree to that, and being in a market that isn't flooded you will eat.

Plenty of 6figure jobs out here for coders.
Get into gitlab make a portfolio and realize you have to differentiate.

There is zero labour shortage in canada for every job there is 200 people willing to take it

California has a higher population than CACanada
 

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California has a higher population than CACanada
So what?
California also has one of the bigger tech markets as well, so programmers might have to leave the state and go to the east coast, might have to go to Oregon or Washington or Texas or Utah or Colorado.
 
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It’s more than just that.

You not only have to plan out your degree/career path, but you also need to accept that things change, industries change, technology moves quickly, and you have to always be ready to pivot.

You gotta be flexible. So many people get upset about having “wasted” their time working on something that didn’t pay off for them at 22 or 25 or 30 or whatever, when they’d be better off spending that time working on developing some other sill instead of complaining and sulking.

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a college that passes out degrees to people who can't actually do the job, eventually gets reputation for that. People look at your resume, see the college you went to and immediately dismiss you. Thats why the best and brightest always try to attend ivy league schools.
Thats also another thing to keep in mind. You can't just get a degree from anywhere and expect it to hold weight.

:mjlol:

Now you gotta go to an ivy league school to be a competent coder....... :dead:
 

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Yeah CS as a solo degree is cooked. These lil mfers gone have to double major now. Welcome to the school of hard knocks :ufdup:
 

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People need to be taught to examine the job market before selecting a degree/major.

You can't just go to college, do whatever you want and expect everything to work out.

I was planning on where i was going to go for an internship on my first day of college. Didn't wait until after i graduated to try and figure that out
This isn’t a cut and dry thing. The job market changes within 3-4 yrs and is constantly changing. Remember these kids are graduates when they were in freshman yr CS was probably a very viable and sought after degree just a few years ago
 

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But accountingn software has existed for decades and cpa(s) are still being minted and are in high demand.

I think their advantage is that they have a licensed profession that is protected by law. It's the same reason an AI lawyer or AI doctor or AI civil engineer or AI actuary will never be a thing despite most these professions being knowledge based and easily automated (with the exception surgery+gynecology in medicine which is manual labor) . The value of these knowledge positions is in the licensure, and they have a lot of lobbying groups advocating for their interests as a licensed group.

Where computer science failed,(and I've talked about this with @IIVI before), we never created a formal domestic licensure system that put up a moat to both outsourcing and automated solutions. Instead, we made it easier and easier for both computer scientists and computer engineers to be replaced because we allowed ABET , our accreditation body to start certifying people in different countries which effectively encouraged outsourcing. These generic office jobs and middle management roles are in the same boat too.


For example , there is no such thing a certified public computer scientist. We don't have a governing board with regular exams like accounting, law, medicine, nursing, actuarial sciences ,etc have. Ironically, we are one of those industries that really need it when you consider that everything from the airplanes in the sky, to medical devices like pacemakers, to cars on the road is dependent on us not making mistakes.
Nah it isn't the licensing, its the fact that is element of creativity in accounting.
AI isn't intelligent, its basical if then ..or statements and you can teach it by showing it patterns from previous work but the pattern that the algorithm identifies might not be the actual pattern used by the person, so its pratically useless.

On the other hand AI is putting law students out of business with the ability to research case law, which is what junior lawyers used to do.

So its largely based on if the work is monotinous AI or automation is perfect for the role. If there is any creativity or human intelligence needed AI is worthless or at best not a good return on investment.
 

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Nah it isn't the licensing, its the fact that is element of creativity in accounting.
AI isn't intelligent, its basical if then ..or statements and you can teach it by showing it patterns from previous work but the pattern that the algorithm identifies might not be the actual pattern used by the person, so its pratically useless.

On the other hand AI is putting law students out of business with the ability to research case law, which is what junior lawyers used to do.

So its largely based on if the work is monotinous AI or automation is perfect for the role. If there is any creativity or human intelligence needed AI is worthless or at best not a good return on investment.

Sentient ai one day
 
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