Goodbye, $165,000 Tech Jobs. Student Coders Seek Work at Chipotle.

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Been in this field last 20+ years, I got into a good niche where I work that I feel I can ride it out to retirement but between outsourcing and AI, the landscape has changed and unless u are exemplary or have some luck, it's not like the before times

*I had luck but luck came easier then
 

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Funniest thing about Canada, is that they had a "skill based" visa point program. (Something US tech tyrants are advocating for, as they abuse the H1B Visa program)

So New Delhian's gamed the system.

There is zero labour shortage in canada for every job there is 200 people willing to take it
 

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The rhetoric was, if you just learned to code, work hard and get a computer science degree, you can get six figures for your starting salary,” Ms. Mishra, now 21, recalls hearing as she grew up in San Ramon, Calif.

Those golden industry promises helped spur Ms. Mishra to code her first website in elementary school, take advanced computing in high school and major in computer science in college. But after a year of hunting for tech jobs and internships, Ms. Mishra graduated from Purdue University in May without an offer.

“I just graduated with a computer science degree, and the only company that has called me for an interview is Chipotle,” Ms. Mishra said in a get-ready-with-me TikTok video this summer that has since racked up more than 147,000 views.

:picard:

Among college graduates ages 22 to 27, computer science and computer engineering majors are facing some of the highest unemployment rates, 6.1 percent and 7.5 percent respectively, according to a report from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. That is more than double the unemployment rate among recent biology and art history graduates, which is just 3 percent.

Why get stuck to wanting to work in tech. Her degree and education can get her many job offers in IT for non sillicon valley companies
 

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shyt crazy outchea got to rely on networking, analytics and upward mobility.

I seen the shift coming 10 years ago when they started outsourcing whole I.T departments to India so after analysing which field would my skills translate to combined with Job security, I pivoted toward the medical industry by taking courses , training and moved from there. there is always work in the Medical field people hurt themselves , get sick and die everyday B :stopitslime: also don't fall for the hype of depreciating assets specially in this administration buy reliable, proven products on sale/clearance. I was thinking of getting a new Vehicle since both of mine are almost 10 years old. But they are both pristine and paid off only if I find a great deal on a Toyota/Lexus Truck of a proven reliable platform like My ES350 car still runs smooth like the first day.

Low key for the money, a 2025 Camry will have you straight for the next 10+ years in terms of running coats.
 

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GenAI killed all potential in software development/engineering. In 5 years agentic AI will likely replace 75% of them MFs, maybe more.

I tell everyone if you REALLY want to get into IT these days it’s presales, security or devops/SRE. Anything outside that might not exist or be in demand in the next 5 years.
 

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GenAI killed all potential in software development/engineering. In 5 years agentic AI will likely replace 75% of them MFs, maybe more.

I tell everyone if you REALLY want to get into IT these days it’s presales, security or devops/SRE. Anything outside that might not exist or be in demand in the next 5 years.
No it didn't.
Funny part is you now need coders for LLM AI shyt, so its just passing it along.
Vibe coding already crashed and burned.

AI is the new cloud bullshyt.
All talk very little substance except for rudimentary shyt, might lose telephone tech support, but you'll need people hands on to do shyt, you'll need actual programers to make your shyt work.
 

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No it didn't.
Funny part is you now need coders for LLM AI shyt, so its just passing it along.
Vibe coding already crashed and burned.

AI is the new cloud bullshyt.
All talk very little substance except for rudimentary shyt, might lose telephone tech support, but you'll need people hands on to do shyt, you'll need actual programers to make your shyt work.
I will tell u at a place I know, they have a hiring freeze that tells managers they can't hire anyone unless they prove AI can't do it ?

Now, is that the true goal or are they using it as a slick way to say u aren't getting any help, I think a bit of both :unimpressed:
 

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I will tell u at a place I know, they have a hiring freeze that tells managers they can't hire anyone unless they prove AI can't do it ?

Now, is that the true goal or are they using it as a slick way to say u aren't getting any help, I think a bit of both :unimpressed:

I can see stupid companies doing this, going all in on AI then 6 months later having ot circle back.
 

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No it didn't.
Funny part is you now need coders for LLM AI shyt, so its just passing it along.
Vibe coding already crashed and burned.

AI is the new cloud bullshyt.
All talk very little substance except for rudimentary shyt, might lose telephone tech support, but you'll need people hands on to do shyt, you'll need actual programers to make your shyt work.

Most of the development around LLMs are low code/no code. It’s designed to be incredibly easy. You pass a prompt and call an API, there is nothing really to learn and it’s how it’s marketed. You don’t need coders at all. I literally just worked with some researchers who barely know python and can create genAI based apps like it’s nothing.

Also a ton of our internal codebases at work are almost entirely genAI driven now. When you try to submit a PR, an internal GenAI tool called Cedric literally reviews it and makes changes, if you defer the changes it’s flagged and you have to provide an explanation that goes to your skip manager.

I guarantee you have used a feature of our software at some point, probably today, that was mostly GenAI
 

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That’s really it. People think that they’re supposed to take some classes as a teenager that are going to set them up financially for life, and it just doesn’t work like that. You have to keep grinding, learning new skills, building yourself up. And unless you got a large sum of money to invest, or you are able to build that sum and invest it, you’re always gonna have to keep hustling.

This is the biggest takeaway. Those that choose to be inflexible are going to see their careers torpedoed.

Like two guys in the woods encountering a bear, if you can’t outrun the bear better be able to outrun the other guy. If you can’t outlearn and outskill AI, better be able to outlearn and outskill…
 

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CS majors should've taken a few business courses. Because the only reason you'd ever need to import tons of H1B visas was to depress wages. They created all those tech companies in the 70s, 80s, and 90s but now suddenly American talent can't get it done :dead: (and yes we know there's always been immigrants but not as pronounced).
 

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I can see stupid companies doing this, going all in on AI then 6 months later having ot circle back.
Things usually come full circle :pachaha:

I tried co pilot yesterday for a simple task I didn't want to investigate, it came up with a simple solution very fast that didn't work :unimpressed:

Next stop was Google and 5 minutes later had the answer
 
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