Gun Control vs Black Community

[Ronnie Lott]

I’m against “gun control”. I’m for people with a history of psychological issues not owning guns.

What about people who don’t have a history of psychological issues

There are thoudayof “sane” people who kill people

 

[Ronnie Lott]

This thread makes no sense. It is saying that gun control is pointless because blacks don't use the guns that would be banned? Isn't the main issue that so many black are killing each other with gun period? Is OP saying he is okay with those murders as long as the gun nuts can keep their guns?

 

[Brolic Scholar]

What about people who don’t have a history of psychological issues

There are thoudayof “sane” people who kill people

You’ll never be able to stop people from killing each other. The idea is preventing mass murders. Of course it won’t be 100% effective, but it’s better than arming people with known issues which plenty of mass shooters have had.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

Judging from some of these threads the right wing agents have gotten there talking points and targets to deflect to in order. Pay attention people.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

You’ll never be able to stop people from killing each other. The idea is preventing mass murders. Of course it won’t be 100% effective, but it’s better than arming people with known issues which plenty of mass shooters have had.

You can’t prevent mass murders either. Dude at Va tech used hand guns

 

[Brolic Scholar]

You can’t prevent mass murders either. Dude at Va tech used hand guns

Did I say we could 100% prevent mass murder? Did I say anything about rifles vs handguns?

 

[Ronnie Lott]

You’ll never be able to stop people from killing each other. The idea is preventing mass murders. Of course it won’t be 100% effective, but it’s better than arming people with known issues which plenty of mass shooters have had.

Did I say we could 100% prevent mass murder? Did I say anything about rifles vs handguns?

I never said that you said 100 percent

 

[Supper]

This thread makes no sense. It is saying that gun control is pointless because blacks don't use the guns that would be banned?

Sure, that's part of it, but if you have some OTHER kind of gun control measure in mind that you think will be of benefit please do share.

The purpose of the thread was to determine the potential benefit of gun control, of whatever kind, for the black community, so we can establish our interest in the matter? It's pretty clear cut. What's part of that are you not understanding?

Isn't the main issue that so many black are killing each other with gun period?

Black people harming and killing each other is a problem period, whether guns are used or not. And so far as we can tell gun law stringency has little to do with it unlike some other key factors which are far mor linked to it, and may even contribute to the issue a bit to it given how many states with tight gun laws have high black homicide rates.

Is OP saying he is okay with those murders as long as the gun nuts can keep their guns?

I'm saying that if there's no evidence of any tangible benefit to tighter gun stringency or statistical evidence that gun law leniency contributes to higher black homicide rates(which is the main issue as you stated) then it makes no sense for the black community to advocate gun control. This question of your's only has significance if you can show some kind, and I mean ANY kind, of link or correlation between gun law leniency and the black homicide rate? Otherwise it's just more completely meaningless just empty strawman rhetoric. Because, as it stands there's no reason to believe that these killings wouldn't happen, maybe even more so, if the legal 'gun nuts' didn't get to keep their guns.

 

[Supper]

What about people who don’t have a history of psychological issues

There are thoudayof “sane” people who kill people

Most mental health professionals agree that there's no significant link between serious mental illness and violent crime. People certain types of personality disorders, whether metally sane or ill, are shown to have more correlation to violent crime. But, I'd argue that environment factors and upbringing contribute more to violent even more than that.

 

[richaveli83]

No black person in this country should be for gun control based upon the history of gun control against. A lot of the original gun control laws in this country targeted black people.

America at its core is a violent society and was built upon violence and it's been integrated in this society since it was a colony with frontier men against wildlife up until the 19th century with white settlers going further west having to deal with Indians .

 

[Supper]

No black person in this country should be for gun control based upon the history of gun control against. A lot of the original gun control laws in this country targeted black people.

America at its core is a violent society and was built upon violence and it's been integrated in this society since it was a colony with frontier men against wildlife up until the 19th century with white settlers going further west having to deal with Indians .

We owe the basic legal rights we have today to armed community members and activist. The simple fact of the matter is that the civil rights movement never would've succeeded were it not for community armed self-defense.

Non-violent civil rights groups like CORE and SNCC would've never been able to hold their protest if it weren't for the DDJ providing them with armed security against white mobs and the POLICE that were in cahoots with them

The Deacons’ role was very important during this violent period. Its members guarded the CORE Freedom House, patrolled Black neighborhoods at night, and provided armed protection for CORE activists (which included whites). Their presence dissuaded violence in many situations. Lance Hill writes, “Deacons helped diffuse a potentially violent situation at a Jonesboro high school. When picketing Black students had a fire hose turned on them, DDJ members began loading shotguns in view of the police officers stationed at the school.

Icons: The Deacons for Defense and Justice

Sometimes deterrents weren't enough and things got ugly.......for the KKK.

The next week, CORE President James Farmer announced that Jonesboro and Bogalusa were now two crucial organizing targets. In Bogalusa, core and the Deacons were nominally separate, but in practice were the same organization. The Bogalusa Deacons guarded the homes of civil rights leaders and protected rallies. One gun battle led to the death of a Klansman, with another Klansman being treated two states away, at an Alabama hospital, to conceal police complicity with the Klan.

Deacons for Defense and Justice

President of the NAACP in NC, Robert F. Williams formed the Black Armed Guards to protect the homes of blacks from the KKK and even got into a shootout with them before chasing them out of the neighborhood for good.
Robert F. Williams - Wikipedia

TRM Howard, leader of the RCNL in Mississippi, was a staunch advocate of armed self-defense and provide armed caravans for members of the community to protect them from violent white terrorist.
T. R. M. Howard - Wikipedia

Even MLK was a gun owner.

 

[richaveli83]

We owe the basic legal rights we have today to armed community members and activist. The simple fact of the matter is that the civil rights movement never would've succeeded were it not for community armed self-defense.

Non-violent civil rights groups like CORE and SNCC would've never been able to hold their protest if it weren't for the DDJ providing them with armed security against white mobs and the POLICE that were in cahoots with them


Icons: The Deacons for Defense and Justice

Sometimes deterrents weren't enough and things got ugly.......for the KKK.


Deacons for Defense and Justice

President of the NAACP in NC, Robert F. Williams formed the Black Armed Guards to protect the homes of blacks from the KKK and even got into a shootout with them before chasing them out of the neighborhood for good.
Robert F. Williams - Wikipedia

TRM Howard, leader of the RCNL in Mississippi, was a staunch advocate of armed self-defense and provide armed caravans for members of the community to protect them from violent white terrorist.
T. R. M. Howard - Wikipedia

Even MLK was a gun owner.

He was? I remember reading that he tried to apply for a license or something like that but was denied.

 

[Supper]

He was? I remember reading that he tried to apply for a license or something like that but was denied.

He applied for a carry permit, and was denied, but he did keep an "arsenal"(according to glenn smiley) in his home.
Martin Luther King, Civil Rights, and Armed Self-Defense

 

[richaveli83]

He applied for a carry permit, and was denied, but he did keep an "arsenal"(according to glenn smiley) in his home.
Martin Luther King, Civil Rights, and Armed Self-Defense

Never knew that about King. It makes sense why the Klan never tried to run up on his house since they knew where he lived.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Do you think these people would have all of the black militias of the reconstruction era, Deacons of Defense, Black Armed Guards, The Black Panther Party, or even groups like MOVE or the Black Liberation Army put their arms down because "guns are scary and kill children and stuff"?

That's where they'll show their counterrevolutionary politics on some, "violence doesn't get political results the state is all-powerful history shows that non-violence gets policy changes times are different today "