Has Alchemist surpassed Havoc?

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

No! But his overall body of consistent work has left havoc way down.

Havoc's magnum elite work-------)alchemist etc

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

Alc has 5 dope ass beats MAX

Thank god this dumbass got bushed

 

[JayBaldacci]

That's kinda where I'm at with it.

Havoc's best was 95-1999, and his highs are higher than Alc's highs. Alc has easily been better ~2000 - present day, and has better range. Arguments can be made that due to longevity, Alc is better.

Alc does not have a beat better than Shook Ones Part II or Eye for an Eye, for example. You can argue that Keep it Thoro is alc's "Shook Ones" but Shook Ones still clears. Meanwhile for someone like Preemo or RZA, it can def be argued that NYSOM or CREAM is equal or better than Shook Ones.

Hav suprised me with "Don't need your love", but other than that Alc's sound was more definitive of the 2000s.

 

[ShaDynasty]

Its really hard to choose, because a lot of Hav's legacy is producing a top 10 or top 5 Hip Hop album, but also one that wouldn't sound the same without the Q-Tip co-production.

He has a lot of dope production outside of that but Alc has even more. Alc has a lot of cult classics and Hav is just a dependable producer - nothing really wack and some really dope beats over the years.

Hell On Earth might be better than any Alc produced album but after that the Alc beats started to be highlights on Mobb albums. Post 2000 its Alchemist.