"He was the antichrist to a certain kind of hiphop fan" -?uestlove on Jay Z

[DaveyDave]

can't find a link anywhere

I meant I need to buy it. I can't read a book on an iPad or some shyt.

 

[sporticus]

Nothing I hate worse than underground elitist idiots talking about the purity of their craft and the horrible commercialization of their "art". Fukk outta here. Jump off a bridge. If it were so pure, you wouldn't sell it. You'd either keep it in your headphones or give it away. Let's face it, it's about cats becoming more successful than your favorite rapper and you can't stand it. Crabs in a barrel. Speaking of Questlove, I'd love to see that poindexter ass geek get jumped and robbed. Then let's see him talk about "the culture".

 

[Da King]

He's right, Jay Z at one point was Hanna Montana status amongst hiphop heads, He embodied "pop" rap music. During the Nas/Jay battle, even though Nas had enjoyed plenty commercial success he was like the Antithesis to everything Jay represented at the time (which was the "machine" and the pop life) which was a major reason why alot of heads were in Nas's corner.



I don't know if he's still viewed that way today tho (cause I don't keep up with the latest hiphop anymore) but I'm assuming he's not. Especially with all the garbage out these days.

fukk you mean "was"? He out there right now shoving these samsung commercials down our throats

he's as pop as he's every been

 

[Blackking]

Yea he's a hustler but are u that naive to believe he doesnt care about the artform or the culture

See this is how I can peep who's just skimmin and whos payin attention

You think the culture and genre that saved his life, he has no care for it.

nikka u realize that Hov is well off with his business ventures that he doesnt even need rap to eat good??

U realize that he can let these youngins get they shine and eat off of they hard work(Cole, Wale, Kanye, etc.)

U realize that this dude is still rappin primarily cause the nikka has been doin it 20 years....u cant just do it for so long and say its just for the money
He obviously cares about being regarded as the greatest..and only one who truly cares about something cares about being heralded as the best at that thing?

U realize that this new method of releasing his album will elevate Hip Hop on an even higher standing as a music genre and will open up new avenues for hip hop artists of the future to prosper even more off these innovations..and not only that but also this has reminded as that hip hop music is valuable and is a big deal..something many have forgot in this "internet" era?

Ur words make me conclude that ur not a participant but more like a clueless outsider...but i aint mad at ya tho

But next time..keep those stupid conclusions to yourself breh

And don't forget to add... talent wise it's Jay Z > Most artists in any form of music. His shyt is like butter for toast when he seriously makes an effort.

 

[A.J.Soprano]

fukk you mean "was"? He out there right now shoving these samsung commercials down our throats

he's as pop as he's every been

I haven't listened to the radio since 2006, rarely watch TV and don't really check for new hiphop like that anymore bruh

 

[VanVanCity]

WHat do those 3 have to do with the other 3

Except maybe Jay and Ye cuz of Ye's blowing up due to a direct Jay cosign



Correct me if im wrong but hasnt hip hop been commercialized since the late 80's tho?

And also correct me if im wrong...

but havent nikkaz been getting puppeteered by labels for the longest in hip hop

Including nikkaz like Nas, LL etc.?

I dont see the correlation u making nikka?

ANd Wayne been rappin since 97 so I dnt even know why his name on the list

Jay and Big started out in the streets and started out gaining they cred through the "back then mandatory" cypher

Seriously Im not following ur posts at all...put me on breh

 

[Insensitive]

I think dude is tryin to say Puff/Biggie started that flossy/jiggy shyt in the game. Before Bad boy I don't remember alot of high fashion name drops,nikkas talkin about vvs diamonds etc..they took it to another level. The rap game became not only about how you sound but what you look like,what you're driving,your jewelry and money when Big and Puff were at the forefront of the game, especially after Biggie died, the corny million dollar videos and glossy sound of 1997 changed everything in the worst way.

Jay-Z just dikkrode the mafioso trend of 95-96 and did the same thing in 97 with Jiggy rap..nothing was his fault cause he wasn't thought about in the golden era.

Hip Hops always been about "What you look like".
You had dudes dedicating songs to a line of sneakers and rocking
big gold chains in the 80's.

In a sense Puffy and Biggie only did what their predecessors did.

 

[DANJ!]

Hip Hops always been about "What you look like".
You had dudes dedicating songs to a line of sneakers and rocking
big gold chains in the 80's.

In a sense Puffy and Biggie only did what their predecessors did.

Yeap... nikkas act like rappers spent the 70s and 80s wearing army fatigues nshyt, then Bad Boy brought some foreign shyt in the mix and fukked everything up.

 

[28 Gramz]

Hip Hops always been about "What you look like".
You had dudes dedicating songs to a line of sneakers and rocking
big gold chains in the 80's.

In a sense Puffy and Biggie only did what their predecessors did.

That Run DMC shyt was novelty rap to me .

In the 90's you had grimey nikkas like Snoop,Bone Thugs,Wu and Pac going platinum with no materialistic shyt in their raps, just a dirty hood swag with most of their raps abot street shyt. In comes Bad Boy with their Versace,Benz Cristal shyt, million dollar videos and glossy production..rap changed after that. Aside from DMX and Eminem most of the rappers that blew up post 97-98 were on some baller shyt to some extent (Jay,Mase,Pun,Cash Money,Ja,etc..).

 

[DANJ!]

That Run DMC shyt was novelty rap to me .

In the 90's you had grimey nikkas like Snoop,Bone Thugs,Wu and Pac going platinum with no materialistic shyt in their raps, just a dirty hood swag with most of their raps abot street shyt. In comes Bad Boy with their Versace,Benz Cristal shyt, million dollar videos and glossy production..rap changed after that. Aside from DMX and Eminem most of the rappers that blew up post 97-98 were on some baller shyt to some extent (Jay,Mase,Pun,Cash Money,Ja,etc..).

Well that first line is your first mistake. Run-DMC at their height was not a novelty act. Matter fact, they were the first rappers to be out there repping what was the fashion on the street during that time. Eric B & Rakim did the same. So did LL. So did Kane. So did EPMD. Slick Rick was probably the loudest representative of the jewelry culture that went on in the streets at the time. People like them were reflecting what was viewed as the fly shyt at the time, and even if all their listeners couldn't afford it, it was part of what made them great. nikkas have always and will always respect money. And driving hot cars. And gettin' girls. And jewels. And living a life that consists of partying and spending money. Any era you can think of, these things have always been respected. So it's really no wonder that when a rapper comes out celebrating those things, people are quick to respond to it. And it also helps A LOT if the music happens to be good.

And sure, there were artists who could sell without that kinda stuff but shyt... even their music to some degree spoke about the struggle to ATTAIN money and all those things that come with it. Wu-Tang may not have been as in your face with it as Puff was, but you can't tell me Raekwon & Ghostface in particular didn't floss in their music. Maybe from a more street perspective, but still. They rapped about Cristal just like Big and Jay did, true? Pac was street, but he himself rapped about those same types of subjects too- especially once he got with Death Row. Yeah, the game was a lil' more street and grimy... but hip-hop didn't begin and end in the mid-90s. There's a whole 15 years prior and 15 years after.

nikkas ain't in the rap game to be broke and act like they're still in the hood strugglin'. And most of the ones who did usually ended up doin' dumb shyt or going broke anyway. Even your favorite "I'm about the culture, not the paper, this is about my love for hip-hop" nikkas- book a show with them and tell 'em you ain't got their money, and see if they still perform.

 

[Rakim Allah]

Well that first line is your first mistake. Run-DMC at their height was not a novelty act. Matter fact, they were the first rappers to be out there repping what was the fashion on the street during that time. Eric B & Rakim did the same. So did LL. So did Kane. So did EPMD. Slick Rick was probably the loudest representative of the jewelry culture that went on in the streets at the time. People like them were reflecting what was viewed as the fly shyt at the time, and even if all their listeners couldn't afford it, it was part of what made them great. nikkas have always and will always respect money. And driving hot cars. And gettin' girls. And jewels. And living a life that consists of partying and spending money. Any era you can think of, these things have always been respected. So it's really no wonder that when a rapper comes out celebrating those things, people are quick to respond to it. And it also helps A LOT if the music happens to be good.

And sure, there were artists who could sell without that kinda stuff but shyt... even their music to some degree spoke about the struggle to ATTAIN money and all those things that come with it. Wu-Tang may not have been as in your face with it as Puff was, but you can't tell me Raekwon & Ghostface in particular didn't floss in their music. Maybe from a more street perspective, but still. They rapped about Cristal just like Big and Jay did, true? Pac was street, but he himself rapped about those same types of subjects too- especially once he got with Death Row. Yeah, the game was a lil' more street and grimy... but hip-hop didn't begin and end in the mid-90s. There's a whole 15 years prior and 15 years after.

nikkas ain't in the rap game to be broke and act like they're still in the hood strugglin'. And most of the ones who did usually ended up doin' dumb shyt or going broke anyway. Even your favorite "I'm about the culture, not the paper, this is about my love for hip-hop" nikkas- book a show with them and tell 'em you ain't got their money, and see if they still perform.

Fashion/lookin fly has always been apart of Hip Hop culture. It was backpack wearing underground elitist cacs who dressed like bums who had problem with lookin fly.

 

[samtalksradio]

Well that first line is your first mistake. Run-DMC at their height was not a novelty act. Matter fact, they were the first rappers to be out there repping what was the fashion on the street during that time. Eric B & Rakim did the same. So did LL. So did Kane. So did EPMD. Slick Rick was probably the loudest representative of the jewelry culture that went on in the streets at the time. People like them were reflecting what was viewed as the fly shyt at the time, and even if all their listeners couldn't afford it, it was part of what made them great. nikkas have always and will always respect money. And driving hot cars. And gettin' girls. And jewels. And living a life that consists of partying and spending money. Any era you can think of, these things have always been respected. So it's really no wonder that when a rapper comes out celebrating those things, people are quick to respond to it. And it also helps A LOT if the music happens to be good.

And sure, there were artists who could sell without that kinda stuff but shyt... even their music to some degree spoke about the struggle to ATTAIN money and all those things that come with it. Wu-Tang may not have been as in your face with it as Puff was, but you can't tell me Raekwon & Ghostface in particular didn't floss in their music. Maybe from a more street perspective, but still. They rapped about Cristal just like Big and Jay did, true? Pac was street, but he himself rapped about those same types of subjects too- especially once he got with Death Row. Yeah, the game was a lil' more street and grimy... but hip-hop didn't begin and end in the mid-90s. There's a whole 15 years prior and 15 years after.

nikkas ain't in the rap game to be broke and act like they're still in the hood strugglin'. And most of the ones who did usually ended up doin' dumb shyt or going broke anyway. Even your favorite "I'm about the culture, not the paper, this is about my love for hip-hop" nikkas- book a show with them and tell 'em you ain't got their money, and see if they still perform.

Damn bruh you went in :thread:

 

[etrofllenrod504]

Well that first line is your first mistake. Run-DMC at their height was not a novelty act. Matter fact, they were the first rappers to be out there repping what was the fashion on the street during that time. Eric B & Rakim did the same. So did LL. So did Kane. So did EPMD. Slick Rick was probably the loudest representative of the jewelry culture that went on in the streets at the time. People like them were reflecting what was viewed as the fly shyt at the time, and even if all their listeners couldn't afford it, it was part of what made them great. nikkas have always and will always respect money. And driving hot cars. And gettin' girls. And jewels. And living a life that consists of partying and spending money. Any era you can think of, these things have always been respected. So it's really no wonder that when a rapper comes out celebrating those things, people are quick to respond to it. And it also helps A LOT if the music happens to be good.

And sure, there were artists who could sell without that kinda stuff but shyt... even their music to some degree spoke about the struggle to ATTAIN money and all those things that come with it. Wu-Tang may not have been as in your face with it as Puff was, but you can't tell me Raekwon & Ghostface in particular didn't floss in their music. Maybe from a more street perspective, but still. They rapped about Cristal just like Big and Jay did, true? Pac was street, but he himself rapped about those same types of subjects too- especially once he got with Death Row. Yeah, the game was a lil' more street and grimy... but hip-hop didn't begin and end in the mid-90s. There's a whole 15 years prior and 15 years after.

nikkas ain't in the rap game to be broke and act like they're still in the hood strugglin'. And most of the ones who did usually ended up doin' dumb shyt or going broke anyway. Even your favorite "I'm about the culture, not the paper, this is about my love for hip-hop" nikkas- book a show with them and tell 'em you ain't got their money, and see if they still perform.

Props on this post danj you hit this shyt in a nutshell and this thread should be done after this

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