Here's how black people can get from under white supremacy.

[kp404]

how exactly do we sway people who are feeding their families by helping maintain the system of white supremacy to stop and "come back home"?

So you are saying that people who deal drugs are lost and cannot be saved? They must all be purged? That's lazy fukking thinking and would retard any progressive social movement against racial and capitalist oppression. It would be doomed. Hierarchies would be created, dictatorships would reign, and pocket movements of subversion would take it apart early. IT IS HISTORICALLY TRUE IN EVERY SENSE.

We create REAL REHAB PROGRAMS and not bullshyt. That's what I do and I have gotten a few guys away from drugs...imagine if it was massive on a national scale. I'm about helping and bringing together, not purging and killing which I will say for the 50th time, HAS NEVER WORKED HISTORICALLY

 

[42 Monks]

might sound absurd to you but it's netting results in other nations.

The US, a nation who DOES NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS, just traded 5 known terrorist for ONE soldier who VOLUNTARILY walked away from his service.

meanwhile, Assata Shakur, a woman who put her life on the line for BLACK PEOPLE, is hiding in Cuba and Black people here in America can't do shyt to help her, in fact, our so called Black leader Al Sharpton was trying to help the government find her, I think he deserves nothing less than death for that.

The US has been negotiating with terrorists since before Vietnam. Miss me with the whole "we gave away 5 Taliban members".

1) The only country in the world that officially and politically recognizes the Taliban as a terrorist organization is Russia. Which means that after the war in Afghanistan is officially 'over', we'd have to release all enemy POWs back to their host nation. Which means they would've returned anyways.
2) Under the Bush administration, over 500 were released.
3) Guantanamo being 'downsized' meant that even MORE were released.
4) End of Iraq War, same thing.

Long story short - guys get released all the time. Only reason people are up on this is because of the American POW - who was a hero. Until the same old late to the party people found out he was a scumbag who deserted. Basically, its all irrelevant - because none of this has anything to do with what yal are talking about

Which I quoted earlier. Killing people who disagree with your idea of how to turn around the black community in order to protect the black economy (I still have no idea what the hell that is but I'm sure someone will explain it).

Shakur really ain't got to much of anything to do with what you're arguing either.

I don't get how killing people in your nation who disagree with your politics or ideas is anything but lunacy, fascism, and terroristic. I'd love to hear of a great example.

 

[kp404]

Think about what the implications of what you're actually advocating.

You don't want crack dealers on the streets. What is societies prescribed remedy for that? Prison.

Has prison in America been successful as a rehabilitating force? Quite the contrary.

Does the mass incarceration of black men create communities where people do not want to smoke/sell crack? Obviously not.

Does the black community have much say in whether or not crack heads ply their trade in projects and low income areas? Of course not.

So while there's definitely a problem here you're massively overstating the ability of powerless people to effect meaningful change.

Thank you brother

 

[Matt504]

So you are calling me a detriment to my community because I asked you to simply explain your illogical point. And yes, you said purge, which means to KILL. Now you are backtracking on your ridiculous statement. At least learn to explain your position

purge does not mean to kill.

 

[Dzali OG]

So who would be in charge of the purging? How do you stop a dictatorship from starting if you have certain people in charge of purging others? You are recreating hierarchy you know that don't you? IT DOESN'T WORK. have you read histories of purges in modern history? Serious question because if you did, then you would know why none of that shyt would ever work. Pol-Pot, Franco, Hitler, Stalin, Trujillo, Dessalines, the list goes on...IT DOESN'T WORK.

Explain to me how a purge would not create a dictatorship. I'm listening.

We as a community should be in charge. Not one person or even a council, the entire community. Once we see where we need to be, and how to get there, we have to cut our cancers out.

Slave rebellions failed because we refuse to cut the cancers out.

Purge doesn't mean kill them. And I'm not talking about any black person just because they sell dope or didn't finish school. We all know individuals like that who are still worth a dayum. We also know nikkas who aim to be nothing but shyt.

 

[kp404]

The US has been negotiating with terrorists since before Vietnam. Miss me with the whole "we gave away 5 Taliban members".

1) The only country in the world that officially and politically recognizes the Taliban as a terrorist organization is Russia. Which means that after the war in Afghanistan is officially 'over', we'd have to release all enemy POWs back to their host nation. Which means they would've returned anyways.
2) Under the Bush administration, over 500 were released.
3) Guantanamo being 'downsized' meant that even MORE were released.
4) End of Iraq War, same thing.

Long story short - guys get released all the time. Only reason people are up on this is because of the American POW - who was a hero. Until the same old late to the party people found out he was a scumbag who deserted. Basically, its all irrelevant - because none of this has anything to do with what yal are talking about

Which I quoted earlier. Killing people who disagree with your idea of how to turn around the black community in order to protect the black economy (I still have no idea what the hell that is but I'm sure someone will explain it).

Shakur really ain't got to much of anything to do with what you're arguing either.

I don't get how killing people in your nation who disagree with your politics or ideas is anything but lunacy, fascism, and terroristic. I'd love to hear of a great example.

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Thank you brother. great fukking post. I'm still waiting for people to explain how its not fascism which has always FAILED.

 

[Blah1991]

WM target BM to a MUCH greater degree, so no "you can easily ask black men those same exact questions."

BW have the highest enrollment at universities, get their degrees and work within White supremacy.

The excuses never end do they? It's funny, when the flaws of black women are discussed on this site, they all stem from black women not being good enough. When the flaws of black men are discussed, white supremacy is the cause. No accountability is required on the part of black men in our community. And yes black women have the highest enrollment in university, a feat that I'm proud of. This accomplishment has nothing to do with aiding white supremacy. Sadly, I believe many black women realize that we MUST do for ourselves, because our male counterparts certainly wont support us.

 

[marcuz]

You can easily ask black men those same exact questions. In regards to media representation, it's black MEN, not black women who uphold nonblack women on as trophies, even ugly ones. In regards to stressing education in the home, black men (in many cases, not all) aren't even in the home! shyt, some of them aren't even raising their goddamn kids!!!! You guys have some nerve putting blame on black women.

why would black women hold another race of woman as trophies? that doesn't even make sense, but BW concern themselves with WW more than BM do, imo. a black womans favorite phrase is "white women do it too!"
can't even count how many times a BW has something like "you look like you date white chicks" or "why do nikkas like white chicks so much"


and i dont know why BW act so shocked when a BM likes white chicks. hell, in a home with a house fulla women who want their hair like white women, want their eye color like white woman, want to lighten their skin to avoid blackness, black mothers calling everything nappy, black or ugly -- i mean, are y'all really shocked when black boys who grow up under these conditions end up dating outside of their race?

and BW are clearly the weak link cus y'all have been entirely compromised, and you produce the next generation of black youth. white men have to push laws and attack black men head on in the system. for black women, all they have to do is promote a certain image in media, thats all. they dont have to deny BW jobs or toss them in jail for economic based crime. just put a tv or radio in front of them and they'll do all the damage that needs to be done to the black family unit.

 

[42 Monks]

purge does not mean to kill.

He edited his post.

A mod can check it out. I directly quoted dude saying that they should be killed. That some blacks are a cancer. Etc.

 

[kp404]

purge does not mean to kill.

Brother, come the fukk on. What has purged meant in a historical sense??? When a group is purged in history, what has happened to them? Now you are patronizing the conversation

 

[kp404]

He edited his post.

A mod can check it out. I directly quoted dude saying that they should be killed. That some blacks are a cancer. Etc.

Exactly. @Matt504 you late. OP said kill and still when you purge, you know what the fukk it means, so stop patronizing us.

 

[marcuz]

because our male counterparts certainly wont support us.

why should black men support black women?

ask the typical BW and she'll tell you shes better than black men, she's doing better than black men, there's no nikkas on her level, blah blah blah.

BW wanna be equal like men, right? well men dont go out of their to support other men. this is what your pseudo matriarchy has produced.

 

[kp404]

We as a community should be in charge. Not one person or even a council, the entire community. Once we see where we need to be, and how to get there, we have to cut our cancers out.

Slave rebellions failed because we refuse to cut the cancers out.

Purge doesn't mean kill them. And I'm not talking about any black person just because they sell dope or didn't finish school. We all know individuals like that who are still worth a dayum. We also know nikkas who aim to be nothing but shyt.

I'm a community advocate. My beliefs are Marxist/DuBois-ian; Even though I know you meant purge as kill and you edited the post, tell me how you would "purge" undesirables? And how is it not creating a dictatorship.

 

[Poitier]

The excuses never end do they? It's funny, when the flaws of black women are discussed on this site, they all stem from black women not being good enough. When the flaws of black men are discussed, white supremacy is the cause. No accountability is required on the part of black men in our community. And yes black women have the highest enrollment in university, a feat that I'm proud of. This accomplishment has nothing to do with aiding white supremacy. Sadly, I believe many black women realize that we MUST do for ourselves, because our male counterparts certainly wont support us.

So you honestly think White men oppress Black men and women equally?

Why can't Black women take their education and tackle White supremacy?

 

[MaLi]

Start within your own community. Donate, volunteer or get a job that allows you to be around the youth. They can still be molded, unlike most of us who are already stuck in our ways. They can be influenced enough so that when they come of age, they're better prepared to deal with ws, and fight it. When the youth see you in the community, and feel you care about them, they're more likely to hear what you have to say. We can all pass on some knowledge we've picked up from the informative threads, our parents, and books we've come across.

Most of us are in our early 20s-mid 30s.. Some of us have children, bills, and other distractions so its easier to talk that talk, than to walk that walk. So if you can't walk the walk, you can contribute by either donating, investing, or purchasing from Black people in your community. Once you've established a relationship, you can see where their minds are at and if their on your level on consciousness. If they not, put them onto people like Dr. Umar Johnson (his school, http://www.drumarjohnson.com/,), Dr. Claude Anderson (books, http://harvestinstitute.org/, and his lectures), Michelle Alexander, Richard Sherman ( entertainers have pull, and hes the most visible, outspoken, articulate, relatable, pro-black athlete I seen in a while; and has been on point up to June 15th 2014), Bryan Stevenson, Michael Dyson, and I'm missing a lot more. Donate to these types of people and their causes. Instead of buying 40 dollar shirt from the non black store, donate or invest in one of your own. We don't even need to agree with everything the aforementioned says, but there are always jewels we can pick up. These jewels have a better affect on us (mainly the youth and uniformed) than listening to our brothers and sisters rap about killing each other, glorifying materialism, selfishness, and all the other mainstream bs they pin on us.

Theres a time and place for everything. I'm a hypocrite because I bump some of the same shyt I just called bs a paragraph ago. But I know I'm not really about that life, but I can't speak for everybody. I enjoy it for what it is, and I balance the types of music, and general media i take in anyway. Teach that to the youth too. Its ok to have fun, but theres a limit, and think about the kind of fun you're having. Yea you can fukk hoes, but dont call every woman a hoe. And for every song you bump that produces negative images of women, make sure you put them on something positive, that shows GOOD women in a positive light. Its the little things... Promote the positive images so the youth in community see it as cool to have respect for women who deserve it



Get in the spaces of influence. Get into the schools, police force, law. Start having bi weekly, or monthly meetings with people who think and feel the same as you do. Promote what you can control, and decide how you want your communities kids to be raised. What profession are you going to guide them to? Don't let them hang around c00ns, but teach them about the c00ns and bendwenches so they know not everybody is about that pro-black life... Which brings me to my next point.


Dont teach or promote hatred. Teach caution and respect. Teach group economics and the spirit of competition. LEt them know we started at level 2 in chains, while some at level 5 with freedom, and the rest started at level 10 with wealth. Show them how we're still the most feared, hated, and envied because we consistently show that with the opportunity, we match and surpass the rest in all different types of fields. They need to box us, and compare our worst to their best just to make themselves feel better, and in control. Show the youth how specific African nations used to do it before our ancestors got caught slippin. Show them the jedi mind-tricks that have been played on us for the last 400-500 years, and how it affects us.

There a lot more, and i been rambling for a minute now so ill wrap it up here.. Our world wont be saved off a few threads and well wishes, but we can certainly start with the little things. Build foundations and put the people we need to represent us, in positions to do so ( with money, protection, love). But more importantly, represent yourself and be the change that you want to see.