Trades vs STEM....one of the more interesting arguments on here
High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads Line Up For University
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That's because you are unaware of the amount of people, mostly whites, who make that and more every month under the a.c. doing absolutely NOTHING.You lost all credibility right there breh
Keep in mind this a 53 year old man with all grown kids and a paid off house
@String Bell he don’t know what neighborhood I’m from
We need more effective ways of funneling this info to our children....
by high school , EVERYONE knows , or at least has a general idea, of what base benefits the military offers...
And, personally speaking, i dont know anyone who WANTED to join the military...circumstances funneled them into it.
I wouldn't argue against children not following trades because they don't want to and it isnt glamorous....i just dont think thats the primary reason....these kids go all kinds of directions they dont want to go....i didn't hear shyt about any of this in high school... but I damn sure her plenty of vague promises of what college provides and the military
People respect results, above all... we need to put this shyt in our kids face more...
by high school , EVERYONE knows , or at least has a general idea, of what base benefits the military offers...
And, personally speaking, i dont know anyone who WANTED to join the military...circumstances funneled them into it.
I wouldn't argue against children not following trades because they don't want to and it isnt glamorous....i just dont think thats the primary reason....these kids go all kinds of directions they dont want to go....i didn't hear shyt about any of this in high school... but I damn sure her plenty of vague promises of what college provides and the military
People respect results, above all... we need to put this shyt in our kids face more...
STOP
As an Electrical Engineering I am telling you right now, not everyone is capable of making it in stem (don't even waster your time in stem unless you planning on getting more than just a bachelors). It's more than just math in fact math is the EASIEST PART OF STEM
you think shyt like electromagnetics and thermodynamics is a joke? I was in class with people who could have been my mother and fathers age trying to get this shyt right
This is exactly why this article is bullshyt. There are PLENTY of people looking for good paying work and college ain't the reason they can't find it.
And I know plenty of people who finish college and go work in call centers or restaurants that would have no problem working trade gigs for more money...how come the article doesn't mention college grads who end up in trades? And if these skills are so scarce shouldn't current pay increase to attract more workers?
I can tell theres A LOT of information being left out of this article, and a racial angle that is being hidden....
most corporations that provide labor services have directors, ceos, VPs, Pres, chairmans that have MBAs .
They don't give a damn about being able to do the actual work that tells you all you need to know.
I said previously I worked driving forklifts concrete, steel, etc while in college. Hurt feet, back, cuts on my hands- thinking back I couldn't believe I was loading concrete and steel 40 ft high for a little bit of money
Nikkas are acting like all blue collar jobs - pay well they don't
And that's one of the problems with leading people down a narrative. A shortage is always going to equal higher pay, when that shortage ends, you're gonna be upset that the work you were doing a few years ago is now worth $20/hour when it used to be $30. When the market demand shifts so does the competitive pay
Both sexes would rather take their chances with 4 years of college and what that offers compared to 5-7 years in a trade /QUOTE]
Union Apprenticeships take 2 to 5 years depending on what trade you going into
This is why being able to think outside of the socially popular rhetoric of the moment is so important. Cats are taking getting taught that it's a great proposition to accumulate 50 to 100k in debt and not even be guaranteed a job. The excuse is you went to college to 'learn how to think' or some such garbage.
My boss and another researcher toured this lab at NIH that has all these lab tech/post-doc jobs automated. One big room with one big machine changing all the solutions and creating results. The amalysis can be automated shortly because all we do is do sequencing and stats to find conclusions... They just need one person in there to replace solutions and cells. One person, maybe two to plan experiments is all that will be needed. Now this machine is currently millions of dollars, but in 10 years if you got an R01 or a couple good fed grants you can get that and get rid of everyone else.
These threads are always super intriguing and probably the most constructive dialogues to occur in TLR. As a STEM breh myself i actively encourage against going into bio unless you live and breathe this stuff. Computational stuff is currently where its at and even then with the strides where ML/AI is going, you soon wont be needed to code the plasmids to genetically engineer your diseases away.
If you want to make money study money!!
That being said, I really enjoy working with my hands, which is how i kept in the research game for so long but the dissecting got to me. For delicate/precise work like im used to doing what would the trade brehs recommend looking at? Im 27.
Dudes sleep on welding. nikkas be making a killing. I’m a weld inspector myself. Get paid to find y’all fukkups
How'd you find yourself in this position?
I would definitely recommend the trades for someone who doesn't have the aptitude or desire for STEM. In fact, tradesmen can make a ton of money if they know how to move correctly, such as overseas contracting or starting their own business.
This and the post you quoted is bullshyt. Machines will only replace jobs that require less critical thinking skills and more manual labor, period. That's because critical thinking requires a different type of computation than does manual labor and is subject to higher error.That however doesn't mean every trade job doesn't require those skills. But that's the bottom line. Elon Musk actually ran into this problem at the tesla factory not too long ago. But machines can optionally replace workers, even if it is slower and more costly. Machines can't replace engineers at all and won't be able to for many years.
Yes but cacs will hate your guts cuz you making the same bread, if not more than them if you really grinding
Dad said cacs in his union was envious cuz contractors always requested him cuz he made a name for himself as a dependable, hard worker
These youngstas need to pass the aptitude test to get in , good money in the tradesYes but cacs will hate your guts cuz you making the same bread, if not more than them if you really grinding
Dad said cacs in his union was envious cuz contractors always requested him cuz he made a name for himself as a dependable, hard worker
