High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads Line Up For University

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At my high school, we had free vocational classes too. You start in your junior year with morning classes at the location, then get bussed to school to finish the second half of the day for math, english, gym, and lunch. Senior year was the opposite schedule with vocational in the afternoon. You could take culinary, beautician, dental assistant, pluming, hvac, marine trades, carpentry and be certified when you graduate for FREE! We also had a program called co-op, where you could get a job, and be dismissed from school for the last two periods to go to work, and your boss would give evaluations, and feedback. The local retirement community hired a lot of kids from pur school for various positions.

Now I will say, we had decent funding because half of the main town is black middle class, and the other towns in the township are mostly white, and middle class, but the high school was about 50% black, 30% white, 10% latino, and 10% others. The majority of the vocational students were black.
The school I was in was 30% black, 30% Latino, 25% white and 10% Asian. But the vocational program was a good 15 miles away and we got bused there. Tho most of the students from my school that went to it were black and a lot of them stayed in it. Some did airframe (airplane bodybuild), some did powerplant (airplane engines) , some like myself did avionics ( airplane electronics like radar and such).


The vocational school took kids from schools all over the county so there was a lot of diversity.

Some took advantage and went into good careers. Others wasted the opportunity. The chick I'm talking about in my original post for got hired by American airlines and been there for 13 years making good money
 

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A lot of blatant stupidity and outright buffoonery in this thread :picard:

First off the article mentions “Skilled Trades” which most of you morons are conflating with labor / union jobs and these aren’t mutually inclusive. One you have to test in, go to school year round and train under journeyman for years to learn and the others you don’t.

Second, you clowns really need to stop spreading this misinformation about automation taking over this and that because you have absolutely no clue about what you’re speaking on and it’s painfully obvious. shyt is dangerous. You could potentially be talking people out of doing something that could be beneficial to em all because you want to parrot some dumbass rhetoric you heard somewhere about some field that’s completely unrelated.

Third, skilled trades aren’t really that labor intensive or bad for the body/health if you put your body first and not doing dumb shyt ( payin attention to lifting techniques, using the proper tools, knowin what you’re doin, following safety shyt, etc...) but you are working in the elements year round. There’s a lot of programming and computer jobs available also because a lot of this shyt is ran by computer systems and energy management software but you have to know how to do the field work and be out in the field as well as a “controls” guy

For the higher payin skilled trades you have to know your shyt, be a problem solver / able to fix shyt or offer solutions, be good with your hands and be good with people because they only see you and a high ass bill. Every day and every job is different, everybody likes things their own way and every manufacturer, home and commercial business does things different while having unique issues that need to be resolved.

Thread shows why nikkas are losin because a lot of you cats too stupid and feminine minded when it comes to just not saying anything about topics you’re ignorant on and admiting you’re intimidated by the shyt.
I'm not disagreeing that There are different types of trade jobs but the article is specifically mentioning jobs like

carpentry, electrical, plumbing, sheet-metal work and pipe-fitting

So I'm not sure what the confusion is. Are those not skilled labor?
 

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Dudes sleep on welding. nikkas be making a killing. I’m a weld inspector myself. Get paid to find y’all fukkups :blessed:

How long did it take to be a weld inspector?

What kind of welding do you recommend these guys get into if wanting to be a welder?

Would you go to a trade school to learn how to do this?
 
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The school I was in was 30% black, 30% Latino, 25% white and 10% Asian. But the vocational program was a good 15 miles away and we got bused there. Tho most of the students from my school that went to it were black and a lot of them stayed in it. Some did airframe (airplane bodybuild), some did powerplant (airplane engines) , some like myself did avionics ( airplane electronics like radar and such).


The vocational school took kids from schools all over the county so there was a lot of diversity.

Some took advantage and went into good careers. Others wasted the opportunity. The chick I'm talking about in my original post for got hired by American airlines and been there for 13 years making good money

Are you near an airport or plane manufacturer for them to offer the airplane certs?
 

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Where do I start? Im used to hard work my dad owns a landscaping company that I helped him with

I got low level experience from pops on stone cutting, laying down tiles, cement work, and plumbing

PM me fam

This office life can go to hell

I made a thread detailing it, I’ll have to search for it when I get to the crib

I'm not disagreeing that There are different types of trade jobs but the article is specifically mentioning jobs like



So I'm not sure what the confusion is. Are those not skilled labor?

You can’t disagree with me because you don’t have a clue about what you’re talking about and yes those are skilled trades so what is your point here?
 

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Are you near an airport or plane manufacturer for them to offer the airplane certs?
The school was literally across the street from Miami intertional airport. Like if you open the window and throw a rock across the 4 Lane highway (2 lanes each way) and it lands in the airport
 

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Garret Morgan (center) is training as an ironworker near Seattle and already has a job that pays him $50,000 a year.

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Like most other American high school students, Garret Morgan had it drummed into him constantly: Go to college. Get a bachelor's degree.

"All through my life it was, 'if you don't go to college you're going to end up on the streets,' " Morgan said. "Everybody's so gung-ho about going to college."

So he tried it for a while. Then he quit and started training as an ironworker, which is what he is doing on a weekday morning in a nondescript high-ceilinged building with a concrete floor in an industrial park near the Seattle-Tacoma International Airport.

Morgan and several other men and women are dressed in work boots, hard hats and Carhartt's, clipped to safety harnesses with heavy wrenches hanging from their belts. They're being timed as they wrestle 600-pound I-beams into place.

Seattle is a forest of construction cranes, and employers are clamoring for skilled ironworkers. Morgan, who is 20, is already working on a job site when he isn't at the Pacific Northwest Ironworkers shop. He gets benefits, including a pension, from employers at the job sites where he is training. And he is earning $28.36 an hour, or more than $50,000 a year, which is almost certain to steadily increase.

a new report, the Washington State Auditor found that good jobs in the skilled trades are going begging because students are being almost universally steered to bachelor's degrees.

Among other things, the Washington auditor recommended that career guidance — including choices that require less than four years in college — start as early as the seventh grade.

"There is an emphasis on the four-year university track" in high schools, said Chris Cortines, who co-authored the report. Yet, nationwide, three out of 10 high school grads who go to four-year public universities haven't earned degrees within six years, according to the National Student Clearinghouse. At four-year private colleges, that number is more than 1 in 5.

"Being more aware of other types of options may be exactly what they need," Cortines said. In spite of a perception "that college is the sole path for everybody," he said, "when you look at the types of wages that apprenticeships and other career areas pay and the fact that you do not pay four years of tuition and you're paid while you learn, these other paths really need some additional consideration."

And it's not just in Washington state.

according to the Associated General Contractors of America; in Washington, the proportion is 80 percent.

There are already more trade jobs like carpentry, electrical, plumbing, sheet-metal work and pipe-fitting than Washingtonians to fill them, the state auditor reports. Many pay more than the state's average annual wage of $54,000.

Construction, along with health care and personal care, will account for one-third of all new jobs through 2022, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. There will also be a need for new plumbers and new electricians. And, as politicians debate a massive overhaul of the nation's roads, bridges and airports, the U.S. Department of Education reports that there will be 68 percent more job openings in infrastructure-related fields in the next five years than there are people training to fill them.

"The economy is definitely pushing this issue to the forefront," said Amy Morrison Goings, president of the Lake Washington Institute of Technology, which educates students in these fields. "There isn't a day that goes by that a business doesn't contact the college and ask the faculty who's ready to go to work."

In all, some 30 million jobs in the United States that pay an average of $55,000 per year don't require bachelor's degrees, according to the Georgetown Center on Education and the Workforce.

Yet the march to bachelor's degrees continues. And while people who get them are more likely to be employed and make more money than those who don't, that premium appears to be softening; their median earnings were lower in 2015, when adjusted for inflation, than in 2010.

"There's that perception of the bachelor's degree being the American dream, the best bang for your buck," said Kate Blosveren Kreamer, deputy executive director of Advance CTE, an association of state officials who work in career and technical education. "The challenge is that in many cases it's become the fallback. People are going to college without a plan, without a career in mind, because the mindset in high school is just, 'Go to college.' "

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Matthew dikkinson, 21, asks a classmate for help as they rebuild an automatic transmission in an auto repair technician program classes at the Lake Washington Institute of Technology.

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It's not that finding a job in the trades, or even manufacturing, means needing no education after high school. Most regulators and employers require certificates, certifications or associate degrees. But those cost less and take less time than earning a bachelor's degree. Tuition and fees for in-state students to attend a community or technical college in Washington State, for example, come to less than half the cost of a four-year public university, the state auditor points out, and less than a tenth of the price of attending a private four-year college.

People with career and technical educations are also more likely to be employed than their counterparts with academic credentials, the U.S. Department of Education reports, and significantly more likely to be working in their fields of study.

Young people don't seem to be getting that message. The proportion of high school students who earned three or more credits in occupational education — typically an indication that they're interested in careers in the skilled trades — has fallen from 1 in 4 in 1990 to 1 in 5 now, according to the U.S. Department of Education.

Washington is not the only state devoting attention to this. California is spending $200 million to improve the delivery of career and technical education. Iowa community colleges and businesses are collaborating to increase the number of "work-related learning opportunities," including apprenticeships, job shadowing and internships. Tennessee has made its technical colleges free.

So severe are looming shortages of workers in the skilled trades in Michigan that Gov. Rick Snyder in February announced a $100 million proposal he likens to the Marshall Plan that rebuilt Europe after World War II.

At the federal level, there is bipartisan support for making Pell grants available for short-term job-training courses and not just university tuition. The Trump administration supports the idea.

For all the promises to improve vocational education, however, a principal federal source of money for it, called Tech-Prep, hasn't been funded since 2011. A quarter of states last year reduced their own funding for postsecondary career and technical education, according to the National Association of State Directors of Career Technical Education.

The branding issue

Money isn't the only issue, advocates for career and technical education say. An even bigger challenge is convincing parents that it leads to good jobs.

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Darren Redford, 20, looks to his instructor after completing a connector mockup drill at the Iron Workers Local Union #86 Administrative Offices in Tukwila, Wash.

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"They remember 'voc-ed' from what they were in high school, which is not necessarily what they aspire to for their own kids," Kreamer said.

The parents "are definitely harder to convince because there is that stigma of the six-pack-totin' ironworker," said Greg Christiansen, who runs the ironworkers training program. Added Kairie Pierce, apprenticeship and college director for the Washington State Labor Council of the AFL-CIO: "It sort of has this connotation of being a dirty job. 'It's hard work — I want something better for my son or daughter.' "

Of the $200 million that California is spending on vocational education, $6 million is going into a campaign to improve the way people regard it. The Lake Washington Institute of Technology changed its name from Lake Washington Technical College, said Goings, its president, to avoid being stereotyped as a vocational school.

These perceptions fuel the worry that, if students are urged as early as the seventh grade to consider the trades, then low-income, first-generation and ethnic and racial minority high school students will be channeled into blue-collar jobs while wealthier and white classmates are pushed by their parents to get bachelor's degrees.

"When CTE was vocational education, part of the reason we had a real disinvestment from the system was because we were tracking low-income and minority kids into these pathways," Kreamer said. "There is this tension between, do you want to focus on the people who would get the most benefit from these programs, and — is that tracking?"

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Amy Morrison Goings, president of the Lake Washington Institute of Technology, says, "There isn't a day that goes by that a business doesn't contact the college and ask the faculty who's ready to go to work."

Sy Bean/The Hechinger Report
In a quest for prestige and rankings, and to bolster real-estate values, high schools also like to emphasize the number of their graduates who go on to four-year colleges and universities.

Jessica Bruce followed that path, enrolling in college after high school for one main reason: because she was recruited to play fast-pitch softball. "I was still trying to figure out what I wanted to do with my life," she said.

She never earned her degree and now, she's an apprentice ironworker, making $32.42 an hour, or more than $60,000 a year, while continuing her training. At 5-foot-2, "I can run with the big boys," she said, laughing.

As for whether anyone looks down on her for not having a bachelor's degree, Bruce doesn't particularly care.

"The misconception," she said, "is that we don't make as much money."

And then she laughed again.

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Taylor Fawcett, 23, moves a column during a connector mockup drill at the Iron Workers Local Union #86 Administrative Offices in Tukwila, Wash.

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I did both while in college. On summer breaks I went home and worked in shipyards, first as pipe fitter helper then they let me tack and weld.

They whole heartedly encouraged me to go back to school.

Its hard work, outside in the elements. But it's better than doing retail or working warehouse gigs.

I know some guys who started welding straight out of high school. They're all doing well now.

Another industry that has literally made millionaire is the oil and gas industry.

You sacrifice a lot, but opportunities like those are few and far between these days
 

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I'm the only child of two parent's with Ph.D's I was pretty much forced to go to college. With that being said I didn't learn anything in college and it was a good four years of getting drunk and chasing ass. I'm blessed to have no debt from college but it was a waste for me. I made some connects but my experience and the people I met in the military has taken me 10x further than college did.
 

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Also like to add, just because you committed to skill trade after high school it doesn't me you cant pick up new skills or certs along the way .

You can take certified course learning on your phone.

Think about that for a minute.

If you think ahead brehs. There will be a massive push to improve this nation's infrastructure.

Who's gonna do these jobs, I know who's already poised to win!! Them Latinos gonna eat when this happens. Meanwhile .........
 

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I made a thread detailing it, I’ll have to search for it when I get to the crib



You can’t disagree with me because you don’t have a clue about what you’re talking about and yes those are skilled trades so what is your point here?
Then what the fukk are you talking about? Everybody is only discussing what's in the article. Those are the trades that were mentioned, which are, union/labor jobs. Get out your feelings homie
 

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They really are with the proper training. Also my job helps place our graduates in jobs whey theyre done. Ive seen convicted felons with face tats finish school and now some of them even own their own business. Theyre out here :eat:when everybody they knew counted them out

My point is a trade is just as much work as getting a degree.
 

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I think there is value in working a trade.... but here's the problem. Back in the day working a trade and getting beat the fukk up all day was fine when everyone died at like 62

Now you gotta carry all those aches and pains into your 80s-90s :whoa: If you go into a trade make sure it's not one that will destroy your body
Diesel machcanics always say it isn't a job you can do long term cause it bangs up your body, it was bummer because being a diesel mechanic was a career I was interested in:francis:
 

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It's not that simple. There's more grads than there is jobs. Every school has a bunch of people graduating with good degrees they can use with high GPAs.
Dudes in here talking like there aren't already mad heads with high GPA and degrees as if that would make you stand out. Nah not today. Companies now are trying to hire people for the low low and if you don't take the underpaid job someone else (on a visa) will
 
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